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This thread originated as a brief discussion in the Rogue One thread [link: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3816334 ]. As promised, this thread is a place to discuss:
Personally, I cannot wait to see this movie. 
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Yeah, just use spoiler tags for like a week. Not everyone can see movies right away!
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Dec 15, 2017 19:43
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the A plot with luke, rey and kylo was really interesting. the B plot, however, was one of the most retarded things i've ever seen for a few reasons. poe and finn are loving idiots. holdo's plan was actually really good and if it weren't for finn and rose bringing back DJ, it would've worked. the refugees would've snuck off to krait and waited for the fleet to pass. instead, poe's dumb loving plan almost gets everyone killed, and does actually get most resistance members killed. instead of being able to hyperjump away, they would've been stuck on the ship and also too far from krait to sneak over there.. also this movie was worse than R1 and TFA Big Bowie Bonanza fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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Dec 15, 2017 22:33
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GonSmithe posted:Yeah, just use spoiler tags for like a week. Not everyone can see movies right away! Thanks! Wonky schedules at my end means I won't be able to get out to see this until at least next week. I noticed that there were a bunch of 1- and 2-star reviews on IMDB about this movie. Big, would you say that the negative posts on IMDB line up more with your take on the film (regarding the plot), or are people angry about multiple things? Like, they did not include another bad musical bit, did they? IMDB posts: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/reviews?ref_=tt_urv
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Dec 16, 2017 04:00
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I think the imdb reviews are kind of dramatic but at the time of this post the audience review score on RT is in the mid 50s vs the 93% the critics gave and imo that is kind of telling. It is reflective of my feeling about it at least. The critics really hyped me and I was disappointed. There are definitely multiple things to be upset about depending in your sensitivity to bad writing though. Big Bowie Bonanza fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Dec 16, 2017 04:09
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far worse than force awakens except for parts of the A-plot. somehow even worse than rogue one and closes in on prequel territory
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Dec 16, 2017 04:44
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:the A plot with luke, rey and kylo was really interesting. the B plot, however, was one of the most retarded things i've ever seen for a few reasons. poe and finn are loving idiots. holdos plan was retarded and even if it wasn't retarded she could have just told everyone what they were planning. You know, like a leader is supposed to do. Her plan is to make poe angry so we can have a lovely plot about poe being angry because he doesn't know whats going on. The hyperdrive into another ship (aka use the transporter to beam over nukes) is the worst thing since midichlorians and was obviously only done cause they had no idea how to write themselves out of a terrible plot.
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Dec 16, 2017 04:47
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Maybe going a bit far here but the more I think about it it may have been worse than rots and tpm too
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Dec 16, 2017 04:48
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the most important parts of the A plot are pretty damned good and I like Adam Driver's Kylo Ren a lot. Without that i'd say its for sure worse than rots.
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Dec 16, 2017 04:54
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Yeah I will say that Adam Driver has been far and away the most outstanding part of both TFA and TLJ for me
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Dec 16, 2017 04:57
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Beyond what has been covered so far, it bothers me that there is still no sense of scale about how big the First Order really is compared to the Galactic Empire or the Republic.
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Dec 16, 2017 05:54
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It's yuge. All jokes aside, thanks for the posts! I'm quite happy to hear that they did not somehow screw up Kylo Ren, as he does bring some intensity to the story. Cannot wait to see this, even if it turns out to be worse than the weakest parts of the franchise (or the holiday special).
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Dec 16, 2017 06:10
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Expired Vitamin posted:Beyond what has been covered so far, it bothers me that there is still no sense of scale about how big the First Order really is compared to the Galactic Empire or the Republic. You'd think it'd be way smaller since they're just a remnant of an empire that's been beaten back for decades. Even if the Republic had been supremely lazy, there's no way they could've amassed as much power as they did. Now, if they'd put the Rakata in the official canon as the backers of the First Order it'd handwave a lot of the logistical problems and explain how the hell they were able to build the starkiller.
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Dec 16, 2017 15:10
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No exaggeration, at least an hour and a half of of this movie is straight-up filler in service of nothing / toy commercial.
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Dec 16, 2017 23:32
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Pneub posted:No exaggeration, at least an hour and a half of of this movie is straight-up filler in service of nothing / toy commercial. Llama bunny chase, and, much to my dismay, Captain Phasma were the biggest problems. I was super stoked that Gwendoline Christie was supposedly being given more screen time/more to do in this one, and it boils down to having like, one line and being in a lackluster fight. She's the most overtly toyetic thing about the new films even beyond Porgs. And the bunny llama stuff/the whole arms dealer city sequence was basically filler to engineer the payoff of the final shot. It was too zany and cartoony in the context of a movie that is essentially about the slow, inescapable death of the hope that one generation could pass on something good of themselves to their future, in ways both literal and figurative ( although the way the whole sequence ends, with the realization that profiteers work on both sides and the subsequent betrayal by Del Toro, does give us more of those themes to chew on and lets us and see that kind of fatalistic cynicism affects more people than just Rey, Luke and Kylo.) The third act was loving amazing however, visually and narratively it felt like a huge spur in the movie's flank that got everybody sitting straight up again. I have nothing but good things to say about basically everything that happened after the goddamn incredible hyperspace ram scene. And, Adam Driver is consistently the best thing about the whole film. He just kills it in every scene he's in. So does Kelly Marie Tran, honestly. TFA seemed to leap more energetically off the screen at every turn: it was giddy, glorious, blow this thing and go home STAR WARS! Last Jedi is definitely more the grim, Empire Strikes Back vibe and unfortunately I think it loses some of that power to jhave whole audiences leaning in to the screen like TFA did, in service of its grander, darker and more thematic ambitions. The parts that work, work brilliantly enough to vault them to the top of the series as a whole. The parts that don't... just make the movie a lot longer than it has to be and play moderate havoc with the tone. strangemusic fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Dec 17, 2017 02:43
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Worse.
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Dec 17, 2017 22:21
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I cannot wait for the Rifftrax treatment of this.
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Dec 17, 2017 23:41
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Liked the movie a whole lot though pretty much the entire Finn/Poe/Rose plot could have been avoided if Leia or Holdo just loving told Poe the plan
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Dec 18, 2017 01:51
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Much more uneven than TFA/R1. Not sure if it's better overall. I did really like the new ships (bomber, star destroyers) and the new gorilla AT-ATs but literally all of the Star Wars films have had excellent ship designs.
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Dec 18, 2017 01:55
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Improbable Lobster posted:Much more uneven than TFA/R1. Not sure if it's better overall. Definitely agreed on this. The dull parts are really dull, but the good parts are really good. Of the former... Improbable Lobster posted:pretty much the entire Finn/Poe/Rose plot could have been avoided if Leia or Holdo just loving told Poe the plan That whole plot really feels like it should've been either rewritten, reedited, or thrown in the bin entirely, because as it is, it really comes across as tho Rian Johnson either was blissfully unaware of how absurdly pointless it all was while making it, or else, given how much he loves playing around with expectations thruout the rest of the movie, was deliberately trolling the audience by telling such a lengthy shaggy dog story with a straight face.
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Dec 18, 2017 08:29
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If there was a reason to not tell anyone like Leia suspecting a spy or something it would have been perfectly fine
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Dec 18, 2017 08:56
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then they'd have to find the spy before transferring to the transports and that would have made for a much better b-plot. a finn and poe detective story. also finn was able to jump away in another ship and wasn't tracked so why didn't they just do that? nothing in this stupid movie makes any sense.
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Dec 18, 2017 22:21
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also why not jump your support ships into the big ship that's tracking you. they're toast either way so its not a real sacrifice. ' stupid, stupid movie.
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Dec 18, 2017 22:22
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strangemusic posted:The parts that work, work brilliantly enough to vault them to the top of the series as a whole. The parts that don't... just make the movie a lot longer than it has to be and play moderate havoc with the tone. I don't know if I'd go that far, but I agree with most of your observations. I think there is a collection of really good scenes in here, with a mishmash of both good and bad ideas, but it's all edited together so poorly. It feels like the Rain Johnson hands you a bunch of tied up string and says "here, you untangle this. I have to go." A good edit and a couple re-shoots and inserts could really do wonders to this movie.
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Dec 19, 2017 06:54
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The Luke/Rey/Kylo plot was great. Hamill did a great job of balancing the forelorn, sad old Master with the humor and snark that was deep down and bubbled to the surface from time to time "I can feel something!" "That's the Force!" *smack*. This may have been Luke at his coolest, from his use of the Force down to the shoulder brush after the AT-AT barrage and even the wink to C3PO. I really didn't like Kylo in TFA, but I am completely sold now. Driver and Ridley sold the tension so well. The team-up and split up in the throne room was one of my favorite scenes. A lot of people riffed on it as a rip-off of ROTJ, but I thought it used that background to actually make me wonder which way the characters would go. I honestly wasn't sure who would turn, and "nobody" was my last guess in the moment. I also appreciated the cameo by Yoda and how they finally gave a glimpse of how force ghosts are "more powerful than you can possibly imagine". Poe is my favorite non-Jedi character, and Oscar Isaac was still on point, but I found his plot strange. The opening scene was one of the best action bits. But they really need to put Poe out in the field instead of Rose or Finn. He is the character that has the Han Solo swagger that is needed for the non-Force-centric plots. The lesson he learns: don't take risks and blindly follow the chain of command is stupid. Rose: please kill. Was terrible. Her actions in the final bit were beyond dumb. Finn needs something more to his character than "knows everything about all First Order ships/bases because he mopped there once". Overall, I liked the Jedi plot better than TFA, but the B-plot was lacking. Worth seeing for the main plot. Sax Offender fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 05:05
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I will admit that Rose was a completely useless character and that the last scene with Finn was some of the dumbest poo poo I've seen.
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Dec 20, 2017 08:59
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Worse.
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Dec 20, 2017 21:46
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i only watched the RLM review because gently caress paying NYC prices for movies. it sounded like a mess that needed editing
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Dec 22, 2017 05:32
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get that OUT of my face posted:i only watched the RLM review because gently caress paying NYC prices for movies. it sounded like a mess that needed editing It's a great 100 minute movie.
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Dec 22, 2017 08:32
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Garbage: gravity bombs in space in the stupidest imaginable bomber design, Poe winning half a battle on his own in the opening sequence, Leia loving force flying back out of space (felt extremely farcical), BB-8 killing like 10,000 people on his own, Snoke just dying without any real explanation as to his background other than "generic new bad guy," loving porgs overstayed their welcome, the entire Rose/Finn plot in the last third was remarkably stupid and pointless, Rose ramming Finn's ship to "save him," the purple-haired Vice Admiral almost getting everyone killed by inspiring a mutiny via zany miscommunications, the Republic forces being so incredibly puny/non-existent in the first place, hyperdrive used as a superweapon trump card does not seem right in the star wars universe Good: Surprisingly, the Rey/Kylo/Luke stuff all came together extremely well and I really ended up getting into their plot despite thinking Kylo and Rey were pretty weak characters in VII, Luke was cool (although I wasnt a fan of how he died, even if it seemed clear he had to die somehow), Yoda was cool, the last stand mounted on the planet was pretty cool, also the casino city was cool in theory as a setting even though the plot there was garbage Overall, a notch below VII.
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Dec 22, 2017 19:14
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Pneub posted:It's a great 100 minute movie.
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Dec 22, 2017 22:38
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get that OUT of my face posted:why does every big-budget tentpole movie these days need to be well over 2 hours long This rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 23, 2017 01:05
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Snoke had more development and plot relevance than The Emperor did in the OT.
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Dec 23, 2017 03:19
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Improbable Lobster posted:Snoke had more development and plot relevance than The Emperor did in the OT. Young fool, only now
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Dec 23, 2017 09:49
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It's garbage. The whole thing. I can see the dreams it had to be a smart and proficient film, but they wind up staying as dreams in the end product. It has zero confidence in its ability to stand on its own while simultaneously wanting to rebel against expectations and the franchise as a whole, resulting in sheer and complete idiocy. It's not quite as awful as Rogue One, but it seemingly tries to be. The ending frame was particularly insulting. Felt like something Ron Howard or Roland Emmerich would use to cap a film.
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Dec 24, 2017 04:16
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Improbable Lobster posted:Snoke had more development and plot relevance than The Emperor did in the OT. Palpatine could do more with a single sneer than Snoke did in his whole 'performance'
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Dec 24, 2017 16:15
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get that OUT of my face posted:i only watched the RLM review because gently caress paying NYC prices for movies. it sounded like a mess that needed editing Get a MoviePass dude! $10 a month
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Dec 24, 2017 19:49
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Worse than TFA. Better than Rogue One, which I do not consider Star Wars. Edit: I thought the extra 45 min in movies now was due to rising ticket prices. Bollywood movies are 4 hours long because a movie ticket is a big investment for a lot of people there and they want their money's worth. Disco Godfather fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 21:39
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Moola posted:Palpatine could do more with a single sneer than Snoke did in his whole 'performance' Not really
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Improbable Lobster posted:Not really Lol
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