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Habibi posted:Also: surely Coulson is dying because of whatever he got cut with, rather than a sudden and timely reversal of his prior death cure? Thinking about that, it seems more likely than Kree juice wearing off. sunday at work posted:Maybe hosting The Ghost Rider messed with whatever TAHITI did. The cut to his shirt was almost surely so the audiance could see that he is sick by exposing the stuff on his chest. Maybe? EDIT: OH GODDAMMIT, WHATEVER. CAPT. Rainbowbeard fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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He got poisoned by the knife you dorks. This is going to be just like the "it's not a time loop!" discussion earlier, isn't it.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:48
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Chokes McGee posted:Coulson: "I am." *head bursts into flames* 
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Feb 5, 2018 19:54
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No it was the kree who shot the dog
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Feb 5, 2018 19:54
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Ward revived the dog by shooting it with a bullet full of kree blood.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:55
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Can kree blood bring dogs back?  E: beaten
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Feb 5, 2018 19:56
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Chokes McGee posted:He got poisoned by the knife you dorks. I can't check the fight scene right now but didn't Daisy get cut with the knife after the guy threw Coulson away? And in my defense on the time loop sperging most of my argument was based on the assumption that the VFX guy was correct about the flashback team not being from the future which complicates an already complicated topic. VictorianQueerLit fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 20:05
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Chokes McGee posted:He got poisoned by the knife you dorks. ??? He's clearly been hiding an illness or some other condition, or something since the end of Season 4, when Robbie was like 'you need to tell them' etc. Came up again in Episode 1 of this season, so on. If it really is just 'kree guy had poison knife', then they really buried that (no close-up of the weapon, scene didn't close in on him when he got hurt, etc.), and it means he now has two ~secret conditions~ he's hiding from the rest of the team. Between this and people confused about where Tess came from (there's like four different conversations going over this as new people keep showing up and going 'Tess! You're alive! but how?!' 'well, you see'), how do you people watch tv.... Like, I know TVIV is always like this, but it is still always a thing...
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Yeah, assuming he just got poisoned by the Kree means ignoring the Ghost Rider/Robbie thing that has had no payoff. The simplest answer is that whatever is killing Coulson was already killing him back when Robbie said that. I don't know WHAT's killing him. The Kree blood seems like a reasonable possibility. There's probably a dozen other possible culprits. I'm content to wait for the show to tell me. I'm just hopeful the time travel nonsense is mostly done. Aleph Null posted:It was a season-long arc. I think they just expected us to remember that TAHITI was a magical place. Yeah, they made a small little note to it when Tess showed up and they all looked awkwardly at each other and Coulson "we've seen this before."
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Feb 5, 2018 23:17
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Chokes McGee posted:He got poisoned by the knife you dorks. They really needed to just put in the concept of an alternate dimension on top of it to fix the problem. If you are in dimension A then go to the future of dimension B, then go back to the past of dimension A, any changes you make to dimension A because of what you saw in dimension B won't cause a time loop. ED: Also LOL at the 'happy ending' the humans were left with. Flint should have gone back with them. Once Cassisus's father finds out the humans revolted and BOTH HIS SONS WERE KILLED, including the one he actually liked, yeah. "Armada of warships" I think sums it up. ED: Also I'm calling it: The other piece of the monolith activated as well, not just the piece with the group, and saved Deek. So he might have made it back, I'm betting he did. Future Enoch is proper hosed either way, but we still have past Enoch. So there's that! Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 23:28
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Blazing Ownager posted:ED: Also LOL at the 'happy ending' the humans were left with. Flint should have gone back with them. "So, do you know how to work the genetic lab to make it so that humanity isn't sterile anymore?" "..."
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Feb 5, 2018 23:34
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look at the bright side, theoretically Enoch can get two death scenes! That's like twice as much as usual!
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Feb 5, 2018 23:38
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:"So, do you know how to work the genetic lab to make it so that humanity isn't sterile anymore?" I took it as they were passively sterilized, not permanently, so that should wear off in the time it'd take to pass a drug test.
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Cran posted:I took it as they were passively sterilized, not permanently, so that should wear off in the time it'd take to pass a drug test. Of course, once Coul And The Gang save the day, will that even matter? They'll be living in a timeline where the world is still O.K.
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No, their timeline will get shunted to the Darkness Beyond Time, where they’ll merge with Schala and Lavos.
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double nine posted:look at the bright side, theoretically Enoch can get two death scenes! That's like twice as much as usual! Pfft. Someone's not watching Gotham.
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Kheldarn posted:Of course, once Coul And The Gang save the day, will that even matter? They'll be living in a timeline where the world is still O.K. Maybe I'll be wrong, but it feels like they lingered on Flint and Tess in the stinger to establish that their timeline is their own, perhaps even specifically to keep people from feeling like their struggle was pointless.
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Feb 6, 2018 03:31
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When they get back to the past, Enoch will be with frozen Fitz hiding behind Saturn or wherever they were.
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Killing Loaf posted:When they get back to the past, Enoch will be with frozen Fitz hiding behind Saturn or wherever they were. So when they save the earth in this loop, does that mean Enoch has to sheepishly bring Ice-fitz back to earth and now there are two Fitzes? Edit: my wife wondered by Enoch doesn't remember all the loops since he is a super-advanced machine. Aleph Null fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Cran posted:Maybe I'll be wrong, but it feels like they lingered on Flint and Tess in the stinger to establish that their timeline is their own, perhaps even specifically to keep people from feeling like their struggle was pointless. Yeah. While I'm not going to make the mistake of effortposting on time travel again the fact they had an ending after the team went to the past means that their timeline isn't erased or anything. I guess that's assuming the team pulls through and saves the day though. As depressing as they've been writing the show it will probably drag out and end the season on the destruction of the world proving it's a horrific inescapable time loop and then the show gets cancelled.
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Aleph Null posted:So when they save the earth in this loop, does that mean Enoch has to sheepishly bring Ice-fitz back to earth and now there are two Fitzes? Because he doesn't go back. He blows up.
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Bruceski posted:Because he doesn't go back. He blows up. That's what I said, too. He observed Earth for 30,000 years. I wonder if all that data disappeared when he blew up. "Mostly Harmless" my rear end.
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Bad choice of wording to call it a time loop. They should have just led off with "causality loop", which I believe Jemma used this ep.Doggles posted:This is how I want Coulson to return in Infinity War.
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Argue posted:Bad choice of wording to call it a time loop. They should have just led off with "causality loop", which I believe Jemma used this ep. Yeah, I'm going to guess something they did in future time is the impetus for being able to break the loop and spin out the new timeline. I still think they did this in a needlessly complicated way that doesn't seem to avoid the paradoxes bought up in the flashback. Having multiple time lines splitting off from the diner abduction would have avoided this. Oh well. I still love the show.
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Ojjeorago posted:No, their timeline will get shunted to the Darkness Beyond Time, where they’ll merge with Schala and Lavos. Flint is the Time Bastard i love this post thank you
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VictorianQueerLit posted:Yeah. While I'm not going to make the mistake of effortposting on time travel again the fact they had an ending after the team went to the past means that their timeline isn't erased or anything. I don't see how the story arc doesn't have an ending where the world doesn't explode. I mean they're still in the MCU technically (though explaining it through a splintered timeline is interesting, but how do you explain how the world doesn't explode in the main MCU timeline...) I really want them to get back to non time travel poo poo as it's inherently messy and as well as they've handled things so far, this show is best when it can be a little lighter and "smaller".
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Ouhei posted:l mean they're still in the MCU technically [...] how do you explain how the world doesn't explode in the main MCU timeline Thanos shows up, the Avengers fight him, he chumps them, and then he’s giving his big victory speech when half the world explodes and the Avengers are all “Oh, my God, dude! You blew up half the world?!?” and Thanos is all, “... “... “...yes?”
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Proteus Jones posted:Yeah, I'm going to guess something they did in future time is the impetus for being able to break the loop and spin out the new timeline. What are they bringing back from the future that they didn't already have or know?
If they fail
All this means is that they will second-guess every single decision they make. They have no facts that will definitely help them prevent the earth from being destroyed.
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Aleph Null posted:What are they bringing back from the future that they didn't already have or know? As fas as we know. We're gonna find out that someone said something in passing that was the key to changing things, and SKAPPO! Coul And The Gang win. And Coul probably dies. Also, as has been pointed out both in this thread and on the show, Daisy doesn't have the power to destroy Earth; not even in the comics does she have that much power.
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Kheldarn posted:
Yeah all that's shown is Daisy was last seen entering The City (which was evacuated already, other bad poo poo happening? kree invasion?) and then a 12.8 earthquake from that location. People seemed to get stupid and figured 'earth quaking = done by inhuman quake'. Heck maybe that general lady did some disinformation stuff as the world was falling apart and they were still able to broadcast. "Look what SHIELD and the inhumans have done!" Part of the end of the season will be showing the other angles to that video clip.
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Ashye posted:Heck maybe that general lady did some disinformation stuff as the world was falling apart and they were still able to broadcast. It wouldn't be the first time that's been done to them, either.
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Honestly, I believe that the destruction was caused by the Kree, but they let the myth of the Destroyer Of Worlds exist because Kaisus knew SHIELD would come and he'd already have a poison pill in the human population to exploit.
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twistedmentat posted:Honestly, I believe that the destruction was caused by the Kree, but they let the myth of the Destroyer Of Worlds exist because Kaisus knew SHIELD would come and he'd already have a poison pill in the human population to exploit. His final gambit was to stop them going back so she wouldn't destroy the world and his father could have it whole. He believes she is what everyone says she is.
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I feel it's going to be Daisy, just because with all the reasons why it shouldn't have been her would make that the biggest twist.
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I'm only on Episode 4 but I can't get over how terrible the make-up job is for Kree. Every time a Kree is on screen I basically roll my eyes and fast-forward to the next scene.
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enraged_camel posted:I'm only on Episode 4 but I can't get over how terrible the make-up job is for Kree. Every time a Kree is on screen I basically roll my eyes and fast-forward to the next scene. Really? I think it's pretty drat good. Especially the makeup on top of the makeup.
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enraged_camel posted:Every time a Kree is on screen I basically roll my eyes and fast-forward to the next scene. That's gonna be a short season.
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The kree look pretty baller, even compared to Guardians of the Galaxy where there was Ronan and other dude who were just basically “blue dudes with black poo poo on their face”.
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