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Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Homeless Friend posted:

remembered i had a paperwhite from like 5 years ago, and found it, hell yeah babyyyyyy

this things got a more influential legacy than obama, if u think about it

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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



The best thing about Kindles is that if you buy one from 5 years ago it's gonna be pretty much identical to the same model you could buy new today

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Epic High Five posted:

The best thing about Kindles is that if you buy one from 5 years ago it's gonna be pretty much identical to the same model you could buy new today

yeah I looked it up and it's basically the exact same thing. Holy poo poo at their e-ink racket, their big boy flagship goes for $250 and comes with a whopping 8GB

just lmao

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Homeless Friend posted:

yeah I looked it up and it's basically the exact same thing. Holy poo poo at their e-ink racket, their big boy flagship goes for $250 and comes with a whopping 8GB

just lmao

Yeah I used 5th gens for years until I upgraded for the backlight and splurged on a Voyage. It's wonderful but I can't really recommend it over a paperwhite for twice the price now that I've tried them all

MayOrMayNotBeACat
Jul 22, 2017


For anyone interested in knowing why the other side does what it does, I'd recommend George Lakoff's Moral Politics. The central claim of the book is that conservative and liberal ideology originate subconsciously from different conceptions of the "ideal" family. It's hard to understand (I didn't have a problem understanding it, but just a heads up), somewhat dated (it uses examples from the Clinton presidency for crying out loud), and has a whole section at the end dedicated to why the author is a liberal, but the model it proposes is scarily good at explaining why each side has the positions that they do.

Despite being written before the emergence of the alt-right, Moral Politics is probably going to be your best tool for understanding the alt-right.

Pretty pricey though.

nah
Mar 16, 2009

I'm reading nixonland. It'd a good book

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Reading Invisible Man and it makes me feel p loving uncomfortable. Harrowing stuff

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Yossarian-22 posted:

Reading Invisible Man and it makes me feel p loving uncomfortable. Harrowing stuff

I read it years ago but think I was too young & stupid for it. I should revisit.

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

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I'm halfway through Fire and Fury now. It's certainly a fun read but I often find myself questioning whether something is accurate or not. It's more like enjoying a scathing piss take than reading a well-researched, reliable narrative.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

whomupclicklike posted:

I'm halfway through Fire and Fury now. It's certainly a fun read but I often find myself questioning whether something is accurate or not. It's more like enjoying a scathing piss take than reading a well-researched, reliable narrative.

you know a take is a piss take without the pisstape

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



The Picture of Dorian Grey is written in that way that made Dracula a tedious chore but this is not as bad because it's also super gay and catty

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Invisible Man is just.... god drat. It's good. Like 69/10 good

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I can also report that it only took 10 volumes for Battle Angel Alita: The Last Order to start measuring up to the original run

I look forward to this plot arc being tossed out in favor of 800 pages of pornographic ultraviolence

Yossarian-22 posted:

Invisible Man is just.... god drat. It's good. Like 69/10 good

added to my enormous list of books to read

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Epic High Five posted:

I look forward to this plot arc being tossed out in favor of 800 pages of pornographic ultraviolence

Well at least you know it's coming

TheDon01
Mar 8, 2009


Well finished Forever War. Fantastic, probably one of the best scifi books ive ever read.

Anyone read the sequels/side books?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



TheDon01 posted:

Well finished Forever War. Fantastic, probably one of the best scifi books ive ever read.

Anyone read the sequels/side books?

I haven't, but I've heard they're good reads and passable but it's important to go into them realizing that they aren't going to be as incredible as the first because so much of the philosophical ground is already covered

I know they aren't reviewed very highly

nah
Mar 16, 2009

what are the best biographies

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

nah posted:

what are the best biographies

Kotkin on Stalin

CLR James’s “The Black Jacobins” on Toussaint L’Oeuverture

George Pendle’s “Strange Angel” on John Whiteside Parsons for a more fun one

Christopher Freyling’s “Something to do with Death” on Sergio Leone

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

TheDon01 posted:

Well finished Forever War. Fantastic, probably one of the best scifi books ive ever read.

Anyone read the sequels/side books?

forever peace is v good

not as good as forever war but not much is

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Last and First Men is a ponderous tome that I'd probably like less if it didn't start out by explaining that capitalism, and American finance and hubris in particular, strangled a newly forming movement to truly advance human civilization and then plunged it into a thousands year long dark age

TheDon01
Mar 8, 2009


Epic High Five posted:

I haven't, but I've heard they're good reads and passable but it's important to go into them realizing that they aren't going to be as incredible as the first because so much of the philosophical ground is already covered

I know they aren't reviewed very highly

mormonpartyboat posted:

forever peace is v good

not as good as forever war but not much is

Right on, ill go find a copy. The philisophical stuff was great but i just got a hunger for more shooty spacemen, weird aliens and relativity fuckery. Hell right now Id sit down and read just a timeline of what all happened on earth in those thousandish years.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Epic High Five posted:

I can also report that it only took 10 volumes for Battle Angel Alita: The Last Order to start measuring up to the original run

I look forward to this plot arc being tossed out in favor of 800 pages of pornographic ultraviolence

Mars Chronicle is also good.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



TheDon01 posted:

Right on, ill go find a copy. The philisophical stuff was great but i just got a hunger for more shooty spacemen, weird aliens and relativity fuckery. Hell right now Id sit down and read just a timeline of what all happened on earth in those thousandish years.

If you're just looking to embed yourself deeper in the universe then you'll probably love the followups. All the negative reviews I saw were like with Echopraxia - hoping it would be as groundbreaking as the original, which is almost impossible since it's set in the same world

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Epic High Five posted:

Last and First Men is a ponderous tome that I'd probably like less if it didn't start out by explaining that capitalism, and American finance and hubris in particular, strangled a newly forming movement to truly advance human civilization and then plunged it into a thousands year long dark age

Odd John is also pretty wild.

Garbage Pale Kids are the ubermensch, and they're communist survivalists

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

TheDon01 posted:

Right on, ill go find a copy. The philisophical stuff was great but i just got a hunger for more shooty spacemen, weird aliens and relativity fuckery. Hell right now Id sit down and read just a timeline of what all happened on earth in those thousandish years.

forever peace has no aliens and very little sci fi fuckery and isnt set in the same world

its a more grounded story about attaining partial post-scarcity and living within the violence of people leveraging that over others and pacifism

the only real connection is the author and the general theme of "war bad"

TheDon01
Mar 8, 2009


mormonpartyboat posted:

forever peace has no aliens and very little sci fi fuckery and isnt set in the same world

its a more grounded story about attaining partial post-scarcity and living within the violence of people leveraging that over others and pacifism

the only real connection is the author and the general theme of "war bad"

That sounds good too!

Edit: bookstore just called, my copy of The Divide just arrived. So I guess I got all weekend to be angry as hell.

TheDon01 has issued a correction as of 09:01 on Jan 13, 2018

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Picture of Dorian Gray end notes:

There's a good story in there, but it's buried under endless tedious exposition. Do not recommend.

Just picked up my copy of Fire and Fury from the local shop and lmao there was a whole shelf of preorders for it

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


I'm about halfway through A Murder on the Appian Way and while I more or less like it, I'm a little annoyed that this just seems to be mostly a vehicle for educating me on the political chaos during the fall of the Roman republic before Caesar seized power. So far the protagonist has met Clodius, Cicero, Milo, Marc Antony, Pompey and I'm sure Caesar will show up at some point. The investigation/mystery is about to pick up in earnest so maybe the infodump phase is over.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Finished Invisible Man

One of the greatest books I've ever read. The epilogue is a bit peculiar as it more or less coincides with the author's pivot from communism to overt anti-communism, but otherwise I enjoyed it all thoroughly

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


An interesting passage that jumped out at me in A Murder on the Appian Way when Gordianus and his son Eco are captured and imprisoned in a hole for forty (or thirty-seven) days... Especially in light of the book I just finished (The Divide) I thought this was an interesting argument against incarceration:

Steven Saylor, A Murder on the Appian Way posted:

Our captivity was indeed maddening, and the hardest thing I ever had to endure. There is something in the spirit of a Roman that cannot acquiesce to such an unnatural condition. In other lands, where kings rule, imprisonment is a common punishment. This is because a king wishes to see his enemies suffer. What better way than to lock them in a cage or throw them into a pit where he can watch their inevitable physical and mental decline, tell them about the suffering of their loved ones outside, listen to their pleas for mercy and taunt them with false promises of release? But in our Republic, punishment is not designed to bring pleasure to a given ruler; it is meant to permanently remove an offender from the community, either by killing him (sometimes, admittedly, with rather gruesome punishments involved, especially for religious crimes) or by allowing him to choose exile instead of death. The notion that anyone should be indefinitely locked away, even for the most horrible crime, is too cruel even for Roman tastes.

I remembered the debate which took place in the Senate when Cicero was consul and announced he had uncovered a conspiracy by Catilina's circle to bring down the state. Cicero wanted them executed on the spot. Others disagreed, and it was Caesar who had suggested that those involved be rounded up and placed under permanent arrest. Against this novel idea was the practical problem of where such alleged criminals were to be incarcerated, since Rome has no prison to speak of, only a few small holding cells where malefactors are kept for a short while to await execution. There was also the danger of establishing a precedent for lengthy imprisonments, for once the state was allowed to take away a citizen's freedom of movement, where would such a course lead? Surely implicit in the very concept of citizenship was an individual's right to come and go as he wished, unlike a slave; if an individual had done something so terrible that he should no longer have the most basic right of a citizen, then surely he deserved either exile or death.

In the end, of course, Cicero had prevailed. The alleged conspirators (including Marc Antony's stepfather) had been rounded up and strangled to death without a trial. Many disagreed, later if not at the time, and their anger, harnessed by Clodius, eventually led to Cicero's exile for sixteen months. But even his worst enemies had never proposed that Cicero should be put into a prison, like a slavish courtier who had offended a monarch.

I think that as the world has grown smaller and smaller, and the population larger and ever-larger, exile has become less and less feasible as a solution, until we arrived at the point where if a citizen was a criminal in one jurisdiction then he would be considered a danger anywhere else, so better to incarcerate him as punishment instead of offload the problem onto somewhere else. There was also a much smaller emphasis on the whole "arc of life" deal, so it'd be preferable to just be executed and have it done and finished, instead of rotting in a dark pit, beyond miserable and slowly going insane, for decades.

Of course, restorative and rehabilitative justice is better than punitive, but Gordianus's Rome would still be a couple millennia away from that.

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

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Yossarian-22 posted:

Finished Invisible Man

One of the greatest books I've ever read. The epilogue is a bit peculiar as it more or less coincides with the author's pivot from communism to overt anti-communism, but otherwise I enjoyed it all thoroughly
I remember reading it for university and while I forget a lot I remember it was simply electric among an otherwise drab syllabus. I was inculcated by a slew of modernist texts and thought good books had to be deliberately difficult and boring and it was such a breath of fresh air.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Just finished a re-read of Between the World and Me

Cannot recommend this book highly enough. A very quick read, and poignant throughout.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


I liked A Murder on the Appian Way enough that I decided to read through the rest of Roma Sub Rosa. The first book (Roman Blood, about Cicero's first case as an orator) is surprisingly richer in detail, character, and setting than than Murder was, which at times felt like I was receiving a history lesson.

Wonder if Saylor had gotten to the point where he was just cranking out books or if Murder was an outlier or something.

No particular hurry to get back to nonfiction and political poo poo, so I'll probably be on the RSR kick for several more weeks.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
Anyone know of any good books re: predominantly white Southern churches becoming unhinged racist lunatic factories during and after the Civil Rights Era? that seems like something someone might have looked into and written about.

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Epic High Five posted:

Just finished a re-read of Between the World and Me

Cannot recommend this book highly enough. A very quick read, and poignant throughout.

i listened to this one as an audiobook since tnc did the reading himself. it was real good, and ill probably actually read it sometime

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

skaboomizzy posted:

Anyone know of any good books re: predominantly white Southern churches becoming unhinged racist lunatic factories during and after the Civil Rights Era? that seems like something someone might have looked into and written about.

I don't have a particular recommendation but this seems like something Jeff Sharlet would have written about -- here's his Dartmouth faculty page, here's his Twitter account. If nothing else you could probably tweet at him and ask for guidance.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



RIP Le Guin :(

May put current stuff down for a re-read of The Lathe of Heaven in honor, was definitely one of the formative books of my youth and I often go back to it

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


I loaded all the earthsea books onto my Kindle

should I read the short stories before or after the main series?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



SKULL.GIF posted:

I loaded all the earthsea books onto my Kindle

should I read the short stories before or after the main series?

read The Dispossessed and The Lathe of Heaven and The Birthday of the World and then consider the rest imho

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im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

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So I finished Fire and Fury a while ago and I'm only now getting around to writing a post about it.

Bottom line, it's an interesting book. But I find myself wondering how much of it is true and how much of it isn't. And honestly, some of the things written seem somewhat suspect. He includes quotes from telephone calls that I wonder how he would have possibly gotten to hear both sides of. He's said he has tapes and all, but in the end I can't reliably trust anything in it, and that hampered my fun in reading it more than a little. I think it's still worth checking out at the very least. As someone who has very much enjoyed every slip-up and stupid mistake that's come out of this White House, this book really tickled the part of my brain that loves this stuff.

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