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Gareth Gobulcoque
Jan 10, 2008



I'm finding Sianne Ngai's Our Aesthetic Caregories: Zany, Cute, Interesting, which is C-SPAM as all gently caress, really hard to finish. It's just very dense.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Gareth Gobulcoque posted:

I'm finding Sianne Ngai's Our Aesthetic Caregories: Zany, Cute, Interesting, which is C-SPAM as all gently caress, really hard to finish. It's just very dense.

Based on the title I thought it was going to be evopsych nonsense. What’s the argument?

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Just picked up the novel Honey from the Lion by Matthew Neill Null. I really loved his short story collection Allegheny Front which I read a couple years ago.

Red Dad Redemption
Sep 29, 2007

Goon Danton posted:

So due to recent events, all my reading time is going to be replaced by house-renovating time for the next few months. Is there a good audiobook version of Capital, by any chance? Or other lefty audiobooks generally, I suppose.

not sure about the book, but listen to the podcast of david harvey’s lecture series if you haven’t already:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/reading-marxs-capital/id283038015?mt=2

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Working through Abaddon's Gate and lmao, how is there still 250 pages left, it's been loving nonstop the whole time

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Annual Prophet posted:

not sure about the book, but listen to the podcast of david harvey’s lecture series if you haven’t already:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/reading-marxs-capital/id283038015?mt=2

Oh yeah, I listened to that before I started reading it. It gives me a good basis going in to know where things are headed. I got his companion book for volume i at a used bookstore too.

nah
Mar 16, 2009

Annual Prophet posted:

not sure about the book, but listen to the podcast of david harvey’s lecture series if you haven’t already:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/reading-marxs-capital/id283038015?mt=2

man what other podcasts are like this because this is good as hell

Red Dad Redemption
Sep 29, 2007

nah posted:

man what other podcasts are like this because this is good as hell


yeah Harvey is really great; others like this would depend on what you like about the series, but a few I'm partial to are

Partially Examined Life (if the angle is close examination of interesting texts)

Zero Squared (podcast of a left publisher, if the economic / theoretical substance is what interested you)

Revolutionary Left Radio (much more conversational than the above, but still interesting; content self explanatory)

Also, I believe Harvey has available lectures on volumes 2 and 3 of Capital

If it's more that you're interested in well presented lecture series in general, there are probably a number of decent ones on iTunesU and similar platforms. There used to be recordings of many of Professor Dreyfus's philosophy classes at Berkeley, for example, but it's been ages since I've dug around for graduate or undergraduate class material, so I can't recommend anything in particular.

eta: lefty podcast thread
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3838404

Red Dad Redemption has issued a correction as of 21:23 on Jun 19, 2018

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Epic High Five posted:

Working through Abaddon's Gate and lmao, how is there still 250 pages left, it's been loving nonstop the whole time

im watching the show, which is up to that book, and also reading solaris at the same time

doug fuckey
Jun 7, 2007

hella greenbacks
Debt: The First 5,000 years is pretty interesting so far. I didn't finish it last time so maybe now I will. Graeber's new book about bullshit jobs seems interesting too

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

Zesty Mordant posted:

Debt: The First 5,000 years is pretty interesting so far. I didn't finish it last time so maybe now I will. Graeber's new book about bullshit jobs seems interesting too

Debt was awesome at painstakingly showing how the language of debt and that of morality has been intertwined for centuries, leading to some weird contradictions about how we're brought up to think about debt. And it pretty well annihilates the barter stories you get in economics class.

Every year or two, I read I.O.U.: Why Everyone Owes Everyone and No One Can Pay by John Lanchester and am going back through it now. It's a very detailed breakdown of the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis written very much for the layperson. It was written just a couple years after the crisis, and I don't know if Lanchester has written updated editions, but there's galling stuff in there as-is.

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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



just finishing up The Stars, My Destination right after the first two books from the Gateway series

not sure why fate has driven me to 50's sci-fi with huge piece of poo poo protagonists but it's p fun so far

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

I just finished beloved curmudgeon Peter Watt’s new novella The Freeze-Frame revolution and it is really good.
The secret message story is fun and there’s a few free short stories in the same universe on his website.

Also, Dickinson’s The Traitor Baru Comorant and while it’s neither really sci fi nor particularly leftist it was also very good and deserves a heads up. like ASOIAF if gurm was a good writer

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

gurm writes pretty good dialogue, which is probably why his books translated so well to TV until it got ran into the ground due to him never actually coming through on finishing his story

Boatswain
May 29, 2012

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Debt was awesome at painstakingly showing how the language of debt and that of morality has been intertwined for centuries, leading to some weird contradictions about how we're brought up to think about debt. And it pretty well annihilates the barter stories you get in economics class.

Every year or two, I read I.O.U.: Why Everyone Owes Everyone and No One Can Pay by John Lanchester and am going back through it now. It's a very detailed breakdown of the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis written very much for the layperson. It was written just a couple years after the crisis, and I don't know if Lanchester has written updated editions, but there's galling stuff in there as-is.

Lanchester just wrote a piece called Ten Years On or something which you can find in the latest issue of the LRB.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

Epic High Five posted:

just finishing up The Stars, My Destination right after the first two books from the Gateway series

not sure why fate has driven me to 50's sci-fi with huge piece of poo poo protagonists but it's p fun so far

That's the one where corporations rule the Earth, right?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



CountFosco posted:

That's the one where corporations rule the Earth, right?

the prevailing economic and power structures weren't really explored in each beyond the scope of the narrative, unlike how you get in the Expanse

in Gateway there seems to be federal authority enough at least that the courts are functional, with the only huge corp of note being Gateway Corp, which is immensely rich and powerful by virtue of getting first crack at all the Heechee stuff

in The Stars, it seems like it's all corps that run it, but it's more like mafia orgs than corps, and the structure of the rest of the world doesn't really seem like they're running everything in a governmental capacity

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Zesty Mordant posted:

Debt: The First 5,000 years is pretty interesting so far. I didn't finish it last time so maybe now I will. Graeber's new book about bullshit jobs seems interesting too

I should reread that, I hope the guy I lent it to has finished it by now.

Also I hope that I actually lent it to him and not someone else, otherwise I have no clue what happened to that book.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Hostess Snack Cake posted:

I should reread that, I hope the guy I lent it to has finished it by now.

Also I hope that I actually lent it to him and not someone else, otherwise I have no clue what happened to that book.

lol I have like 3-4 books I end up having to rebuy over and over because they're my go-tos for lending out, but then I forget who has them

i've probably even bought the same one I've lent out before because my first source is the local used book store lmao owned

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch
This was probably mentioned but I didnt read the thread :heh:

How Democracies Die is a fantastic book if you have low blood pressure, if you like yelling, or if for some reason you really want to know how rich ivy league professors view political struggle.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



A long but well-written and interesting book about the founding of Australia, The Fatal Shore, is on sale right now for 3 smackers: https://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Shore-epic-Australias-founding-ebook

I enjoy it thoroughly and the hard copy version is my nightstand reading because it's just interesting enough to be enjoyable, but not so much that it will keep me up

highly recommended

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Marxalot posted:

This was probably mentioned but I didnt read the thread :heh:

How Democracies Die is a fantastic book if you have low blood pressure, if you like yelling, or if for some reason you really want to know how rich ivy league professors view political struggle.

Lemme guess - poor people having a say destroys democracy?

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

Business Gorillas posted:

Lemme guess - poor people having a say destroys democracy?

The only thing that maintains a democracy is norms. Respect the process. Respect the norms. This is the only important thing.



It's been about 2 months since I read it so I really can't pull anything specific and amusing/dumb

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Marxalot posted:

This was probably mentioned but I didnt read the thread :heh:

How Democracies Die is a fantastic book if you have low blood pressure, if you like yelling, or if for some reason you really want to know how rich ivy league professors view political struggle.

My favorite moment in that book comes close to the beginning when they pretty much call the US intelligence agencies pillars of democracy and democratic institutions, and then pivot to a discussion of Allende's overthrow in Chile. On the same page.

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

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I started reading The Ego and Its Own but I've not made much progress yet. I think I'm not in the mood for anything serious right now.

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

Helsing posted:

My favorite moment in that book comes close to the beginning when they pretty much call the US intelligence agencies pillars of democracy and democratic institutions, and then pivot to a discussion of Allende's overthrow in Chile. On the same page.

Oh god yes I remember the bits about south america being dumb. Also I think the US civil war's cause was given a very brief handwave about the breakdown of norms and some dude being caned on the senate floor?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Marxalot posted:

Oh god yes I remember the bits about south america being dumb. Also I think the US civil war's cause was given a very brief handwave about the breakdown of norms and some dude being caned on the senate floor?

iirc he was caned because he called a slave rapist a slave rapist

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



the more that i think about it, the more i realize that the civil war started because a bunch of fat southern rapists talked themselves into thinking the north was a bunch of dandies they could roll over in like 30 minutes

not at all analogous to today, no sir

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

Epic High Five posted:

iirc he was caned because he called a slave rapist a slave rapist

lmfao

Business Gorillas posted:

the more that i think about it, the more i realize that the civil war started because a bunch of fat southern rapists talked themselves into thinking the north was a bunch of dandies they could roll over in like 30 minutes

not at all analogous to today, no sir

Given how a lot of the conservative thinkers of the time thought of the southern lifestyle/moral code/volcel powers this isn't too far off base.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



btw all books at Haymarket are half price right now:

https://twitter.com/haymarketbooks/status/1017838003471966211

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

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Any particular recommendations?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



im on the net me boys posted:

Any particular recommendations?

if you're even tangentially interested in the NFL stuff I recommend Things that Make White People Uncomfortable

The Case for Socialism is a good one to lend to people

someone who reads more political poo poo than I do could probably chime in with better ones

bigfoot again
Apr 24, 2007

Radical Technologies by Adam Greenfield is a good book.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



halfway through Cibola Burn and I'm continuing to be amazed that Corey wrote the most perfect characters in Caliban's War and then was able to not just make the whole series about Amos and Avasarala going around and dunking on people

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
I think this story will be of interest even for people who didn’t attend college or grow up in Pittsburgh, but Caliban Books apparently stole like millions of dollars worth of rare and antique books from the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh - Post Gazette story in the link.

Caliban was (is?) a really great place to buy beautiful old editions as gifts or keepsakes. Just a super weird development.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


gently caress that's insanely depressing. Ruining old books for a couple grand. hosed up.

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

God drat. That store is an institution, but I'll be surprised if it survives this.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



last book was too fun, so now I'm punishing myself by re-reading Wolf in White Van, which is an excellent and beautiful but horribly depressing and empty and hopeless book with only pain and no answers

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

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I'm thinking about buying a copy of The Autonomous City. Have any of you read it?

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Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
after watching Ken Burns (fantastic) documentaries on The West, the American Civil War and the Vietnam War I'm in the mood to do a lot of reading of 60s-90s American History and how we ended up here

I'm not particularly interested in anything too recent (Obama or later) but I wouldn't turn my nose down if there's a good book slamming George Bush Jr you wanna recommend.

So far I've got Rick Perlstein's trilogy, Before the Storm, Nixonland, and The Invisible Bridge, which seems like it'll be a great focus look at the evolution of conservatism through the 60s and 70s, and I've got a LBJ biography named Portrait of a President by Robert Dallek.

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