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did you know apartheid south africa was nuclear armed? i want there to again be a nuclear armed white supremacist state, and i think america is shaping up to be just that. it's so righteous.
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arent they also the only nation to ever give up da nukes
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Jan 31, 2018 01:18
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Jonny 290 posted:arent they also the only nation to ever give up da nukes yea canada too, if you want to be technical about it -- we had nuclear SAMs at a number of canadian bases in the 60s, but they were american in origin and were operated by US personnel
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Jan 31, 2018 04:53
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Fututor Magnus posted:did you know apartheid south africa was nuclear armed? they had a strategic arms agreement with israel Fututor Magnus posted:i want there to again be a nuclear armed white supremacist state, and i think america is shaping up to be just that. it's so righteous. i am definitely not going to mention israel in this sentence
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Jan 31, 2018 19:49
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Sagebrush posted:yea by that measure many, many, many countries have given up nuclear arsenals, in that they are no longer stationed on their soil. turkey, cuba, every east-bloc nation, etc south africa is special because they developed nuclear weapons as a domestic industry, and then gave it up
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I think the nukes in Turkey, Cuba, etc were on US or Soviet bases in those countries, though, right? So technically not deployed on the host country's soil? The ones in Canada were on Canadian bases under guard by Canadian soldiers -- only the operators were American.
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Fututor Magnus posted:did you know apartheid south africa was nuclear armed? i want there to again be a nuclear armed white supremacist state, and i think america is shaping up to be just that. it's so righteous. they also did their enrichment by aerodynamic separation, basically a centrifuge that didn't spin
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Sagebrush posted:The ones in Canada were on Canadian bases under guard by Canadian soldiers -- only the operators were American. this was the case for pretty much all the countries that had american/soviet nukes. (the only notable exception is the u.k., which actually purchased nukes from the united states, so there were 0 americans involved at any stage after they were delivered.) sorry bud, in a cold war context, canada is just another client state
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south africa and ukraine are unique for having their own, independent nuclear capabilities that they gave up volutarily south africa is special even above and beyond ukraine because they developed weapons themselves, domestically, with little or no outside assistance and gave up their program
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Feb 3, 2018 02:54
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ukraine is probably regretting it now, though, with nato totally hanging them out to dry when russia invaded
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Feb 3, 2018 03:18
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:sorry bud, in a cold war context, canada is just another client state the proper term is satellite state Canadians will hate being called an American satellite state even though they totally are
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we're a petrolstate
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Improbable Lobster posted:we're a petrolstate it’s hosed up that Trudeau is called a cuck when Harper is literally one, being in a sham relationship with a gay wife. would be less crass if dude didn’t cause a lot of harm, poo poo if this were the states the news would not hesitate to put man on blast
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Feb 3, 2018 06:09
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OldAlias posted:it’s hosed up that Trudeau is called a cuck when Harper is literally one, being in a sham relationship with a gay wife. would be less crass if dude didn’t cause a lot of harm, poo poo if this were the states the news would not hesitate to put man on blast harper was so loving awful
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Feb 3, 2018 06:10
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:south africa and ukraine are unique for having their own, independent nuclear capabilities that they gave up volutarily i mean honestly that's a good position now that i think of it. they proved that they can get nukes, rolled it back, and basically have a lot of the political advantage of being a 'nuclear nation' without the risk and ongoing maintenance costs of a bunch of nukes. sure theyre not short notice, but its still a factor
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eschaton posted:the proper term is satellite state totally were the cold war is over. canada is free to chart her own way in the world now edit: oh i see what you mean. yeah canada is still an american satellite in the sense that they have deep economic and cultural ties that are not easily severed. but that is not the same as taking marching orders from london / washington. Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Feb 3, 2018 |
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Jonny 290 posted:i mean honestly that's a good position now that i think of it. they proved that they can get nukes, rolled it back, and basically have a lot of the political advantage of being a 'nuclear nation' without the risk and ongoing maintenance costs of a bunch of nukes. sure theyre not short notice, but its still a factor the intervening 25 years have not been kind to international assessments of south african strategic capabilities arguably, they have none of the advantages today, aside from a certain aura of virtue. of course, it is probably better to be avoiding the risk and cost even so!
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:totally were idk theyre turning up OTH radar around the aleutians we may need the DEW line yet 
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Feb 3, 2018 06:16
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if ivan thinks his bears'll get the drop on us, he's got another thing coming!
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Jonny 290 posted:idk hardly gets it across.with the uk's trident program run aground, there are only three remaining serious nuclear powers: the united states, france, and russia. one of these three has zero second-strike capability. russia has lost all strategic deterrent capability, because their submarine fleet is, to put it bluntly, moribund. to overcome this difficulty, russia has doubled-down on first strike capability. their airborne and silo-based nuclear capabilities are second to none -- exceeding even the united states. they've invested billions and billions into types of weapons system we are phasing out entirely. none of these weapons can be used in response to a nuclear attack. russia strikes first, or not at all i'm not sure the world has ever been this close to an extinction-level event. it's not that relations are particularly tense, it's that the consequences are greater than ever before. Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Feb 3, 2018 |
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Feb 3, 2018 06:20
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this is one of those hosed up times when we are both way off-topic, and weirdly tying into the theme in the worst way what's more cyberpunk than talking about imminent doom in green on black internet forums
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:south africa is special even above and beyond ukraine because they developed weapons themselves, domestically, with little or no outside assistance and gave up their program Didn’t Israel provide more than a little help to South Africa’s program?
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infernal machines posted:if ivan thinks his bears'll get the drop on us, he's got another thing coming! aaaaa but what about zhang & nukes
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Feb 3, 2018 07:03
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:green on black excuse me
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i'm not sure the world has ever been this close to an extinction-level event. we have been much closer than this, if only for a few minutes. and this was not the only such incident the cold war was loving crazy and I'm glad I only ever lived through the tail end of it and was too young to care haveblue fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Feb 3, 2018 |
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Feb 3, 2018 16:01
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haveblue posted:we have been much closer than this, if only for a few minutes. and this was not the only such incident my dad spent some of the 70s underground with his finger on a big red button and has some stories about similar incidents from the us side
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Feb 3, 2018 16:33
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cold war: hmm, probably a false alarm, better not cause a panic 2018: it said false alarm! *mashes sms warning*
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Feb 3, 2018 17:15
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haveblue posted:we have been much closer than this, if only for a few minutes. and this was not the only such incident back then, the USSR had a functioning second strike capability. if that happened today, they would be obliged to launch launch launch and we would all die
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:back then, the USSR had a functioning second strike capability. hell yea what buttons do i press
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Krankenstyle posted:hell yea what buttons do i press 
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y=eah that has ruined me
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i took this picture coming out of the tokyo airport because chome has overcome my body and senses 
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Feb 4, 2018 22:34
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Roosevelt posted:i took this picture coming out of the tokyo airport because chome has overcome my body and senses "chome" is "city district" in japanese addressing, so yeah if you go there it's going to be, quite literally, all over the place
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Midjack posted:"chome" is "city district" in japanese addressing, so yeah if you go there it's going to be, quite literally, all over the place 
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https://twitter.com/hashtagoras/status/960196073791860737
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Roosevelt posted:i took this picture coming out of the tokyo airport because chome has overcome my body and senses should have recreated the video imho
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shoot, forgot to update gang tag. the red would've worked nicely together
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