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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Yeah, the sneaking suit is perfectly fine. I've never had issues with it. There's no situation where the sneaking suit is terrible, and you never have to switch for different terrain.

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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Is it not a lady Mantis? I mean it's not like gender swaps are out of the ordinary and small girl floating around with a big bruiser is pretty typical. Hell you can graft a cloned arm onto a crazy old man gunslinger and convince him that he's your BROTHERRRRRRR until it turns out he was faking it the whole time OR WAS HE.

Unless that is a big spoiler about Mantis swapping bodies again.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Arcsquad12 posted:

Is it not a lady Mantis? I mean it's not like gender swaps are out of the ordinary and small girl floating around with a big bruiser is pretty typical.

No, that's just Mantis. They're a kid at this point.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Kevyn posted:

You can also hide in a cardboard box and he recognizes the box as Snake and gets all happy to see you.

wow i never figured out any of this, i tranqed or gassed every one lol

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Arcsquad12 posted:

Is it not a lady Mantis? I mean it's not like gender swaps are out of the ordinary and small girl floating around with a big bruiser is pretty typical. Hell you can graft a cloned arm onto a crazy old man gunslinger and convince him that he's your BROTHERRRRRRR until it turns out he was faking it the whole time OR WAS HE.

Unless that is a big spoiler about Mantis swapping bodies again.

MGSV (and by extension MGS 3 and Peace Walker) chronologically take place many years before the first MGS, it’s just Mantis as a kid.

This is the Metal Gear timeline as I understand it:

Snake Eater

Portable Ops (if you want to count that)

Peace Walker

Ground Zeroes

Survive (if you want to count that, though most of the game technically takes place in the far future)

MGSV

Metal Gear

Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake

MGS

MGS2

MGS4

Rising

Snake’s Revenge and Ghost Babel are alternate sequels to the MSX/NES Metal Gear and the Acid series is in a different universe entirely as far as I know

Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Mar 1, 2021

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

there's no need to switch around camos for the area when naked animal camo exists. Its good for every terrain type and situation on top of being stylin as all hell

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Same but my open eva suit

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



ScootsMcSkirt posted:

ya, i hated the sneaking suit since it makes you so much easier to spot and much preferred to run around in naked animal fatigues. The sound dampening isnt very useful compared to the drawbacks imo

The sneaking suit's butt is pretty distracting, yes

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

Captain Hygiene posted:

The sneaking suit's butt is pretty distracting, yes

stupid sexy Venom

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Larryb posted:

MGSV (and by extension MGS 3 and Peace Walker) chronologically take place many years before the first MGS, it’s just Mantis as a kid.

This is the Metal Gear timeline as I understand it:

Snake Eater

Portable Ops (if you want to count that)

Peace Walker

Ground Zeroes

Survive (if you want to count that, though most of the game technically takes place in the far future)

MGSV

Metal Gear

Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake

MGS

MGS2

MGS4

Rising

Snake’s Revenge and Ghost Babel are alternate sequels to the MSX/NES Metal Gear and the Acid series is in a different universe entirely as far as I know

Yeah I get the timeline stuff. Kid Mantis just looked like a girl with the hair and it wouldn't be the first time in the games that Psycho's mind is in a woman's body like with Screaming Mantis.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Arcsquad12 posted:

Yeah I get the timeline stuff. Kid Mantis just looked like a girl with the hair and it wouldn't be the first time in the games that Psycho's mind is in a woman's body like with Screaming Mantis.

Ah I see, fair enough then. But yeah, as far as I’m aware Kid Mantis is a guy

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Arcsquad12 posted:

Yeah I get the timeline stuff. Kid Mantis just looked like a girl with the hair and it wouldn't be the first time in the games that Psycho's mind is in a woman's body like with Screaming Mantis.
Oh god, I have a mgs4 canon question. Was Mantis actually possessing Mantis? I thought that Screaming was brainwashed to think she was possessed by Psycho, but not actually psychic (she just used nanomachines, hence the syringe letting you fight her) but The Sorrow was actually there also for some reason?

like I had it in my head that the only actual psychics were Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow and also Ocelot's latent sensitivity that was working in MGS2 but not MGS4.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


The actual Psycho Mantis wouldn't be down for that. Neither would The Sorrow. Better to assume some form of nanomachine induced simulacrum.

The real answer is obviously that it was just fanservice.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

DACK FAYDEN posted:

Oh god, I have a mgs4 canon question. Was Mantis actually possessing Mantis? I thought that Screaming was brainwashed to think she was possessed by Psycho, but not actually psychic (she just used nanomachines, hence the syringe letting you fight her) but The Sorrow was actually there also for some reason?

like I had it in my head that the only actual psychics were Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow and also Ocelot's latent sensitivity that was working in MGS2 but not MGS4.

Psycho Mantis literally appears after you defeat Screaming (voiced by the same actor from MGS) so I think so but I don’t remember what the official explanation was.

Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100
The official explanation is that Psycho Mantis owns

Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.
I enjoyed the bit where he can't read your mind because the PS3/4 doesn't have a memory card. It was completely pointless fanservice bollocks and I was grinning from ear to ear.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Hedgehog Pie posted:

I enjoyed the bit where he can't read your mind because the PS3/4 doesn't have a memory card. It was completely pointless fanservice bollocks and I was grinning from ear to ear.
He also gets loving stoked about rumble. He literally goes "YES! VIBRATION IS BACK!" and it was the best part of the entire cutscene.

Larryb posted:

Psycho Mantis literally appears after you defeat Screaming (voiced by the same actor from MGS) so I think so but I don’t remember what the official explanation was.
Right, he is literally there, but I thought Drebin said something stupid about nanomachines and brainwashing in the B&B explanatory cutscene after Screaming. I don't really know.
...okay so the MGS wiki says:

quote:

Later, forces led by Liquid Ocelot somehow acquired the woman. They subjected her to gene therapy and drug induced nanotherapy, building up her psyche for their ultimate plan. Eventually, Mantis's psyche was torn out of her own mind, and was replaced with what remained of Psycho Mantis, the psychological warfare specialist of the FOXHOUND unit that Solid Snake fought in 2005.
She may or may not have been literally psychic to begin with (her namesake mantis taught her to block out screams and eat corpses but nothing about being psychic)
but then further down it also says she's psychokinetic, used mind control on the other three B&Bs... and uh, has a magic spell named "Zero Shift" from Boktai 2 what the gently caress Kojima lmao (but it's ok, sun gun is canon)

apparently the official website said

quote:

STRENGTHS:
Can Channel The Sorrow & Psycho Mantis
WEAKNESSES:
Stealth Hurt by Screaming Outbursts
FEATURED FACT:
Forced to cannibalize corpses to survive as a child, she is genetically modified and implanted with nanomachines and the mind of Psycho Mantis

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



i thought it was something dumb like that psycho mantis's nanomachines has made a copy of his brain before he died and so they used nanomachines to paste his powers and psyche into her

like how one of the explanations why liquid's arm took over ocelot's body was because the nanomachines in liquid copied his brain before he died and then when the arm got attached to ocelot those nanomachines traveled to ocelot's brain and downloaded liquid into it

then of course iirc there was the "real" explanation that ocelot was just pretending the whole time

Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Mar 2, 2021

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Man, Kaz is not at all well, is he? When he's not singing Venom's praise and hailing him as his ultimate Man-Crush he's barely holding together with some serious hatred bordering on pathological need for vengeance.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
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Arcsquad12 posted:

Man, Kaz is not at all well, is he? When he's not singing Venom's praise and hailing him as his ultimate Man-Crush he's barely holding together with some serious hatred bordering on pathological need for vengeance.

oh kiddo, you aren't even at his manic phase yet



Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Arcsquad12 posted:

Man, Kaz is not at all well, is he? When he's not singing Venom's praise and hailing him as his ultimate Man-Crush he's barely holding together with some serious hatred bordering on pathological need for vengeance.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
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Look Sir Droids posted:

Don't forget the lvl 4(I think) stun arm that does an AOE when fully charged. It has a range of about 45 meters. When I've done that mission without stealth camo, you can sneak up close to the building the scientist is in and pop the stun. Casually walk to the finish.

oh man I was just reading back looking for that timg link and I had the sudden realization... does the stun arm AOE count as a weapon usage for No Traces? Blast fist doesn't count if it's not "pointed at an enemy", for example you can No Trace the mission C2W by calling in the helicopter to distract (and kill) everyone, punching the comms equipment, and nope'ing the gently caress out. So you can use melee effects in some situations as long as it's not "pointed at an enemy"... :thunk:

I wonder if you can stun arm AOE eli and get the "don't let him fight back" bonus?

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Mar 3, 2021

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



"I'm just gonna release electricity from this fist and if you get in the way it's your own fault"

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.
Only took me almost 6 years to learn that running lvl 1 FOBs on Security Challenge is pro tier plant farming. I got 3000 each of yellow digitalis and haoma in about 30 minutes of medical platform farming. Warp in, sprint to the core. No guards.

Also good for some light materials farming if you do the other platforms, but I have those things maxed out. Also 600k in mercenarybucks each time.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Kaz is the turbo fash as the demon on your shoulder and you will find out why... eventually

Listen to your bf ocelot tho, he knows best

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I already know the twist about Venom, it's not exactly a new game. The details though...

I built the medical platform and I found the room. Just knowing what I do about Venom, though, this whole sidestory is going to hurt isn't it.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
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Arcsquad12 posted:

I built the medical platform and I found the room. Just knowing what I do about Venom, though, this whole sidestory is going to hurt isn't it.

it's only three days until Peace Day!

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

Paul MaudDib posted:

oh kiddo, you aren't even at his manic phase yet





sad there will never be another midquel MGS game to explain Miller's transition from multiple amputee, revenge-obsessed, paranoid psychotic in V to normal military guy in MG, presumably involving more body doubles switches, surgery, and gene therapy

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Does Kaz come out very often to wander around Mother Base or does he only crop up in cutscenes? The only times I've seen him so far are when he was taken away in a stretcher after I saved him and when I walked into Paz's room.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

He only ever appears in cutscenes aside from you rescuing him near the start of the game

Wolfsheim posted:

sad there will never be another midquel MGS game to explain Miller's transition from multiple amputee, revenge-obsessed, paranoid psychotic in V to normal military guy in MG, presumably involving more body doubles switches, surgery, and gene therapy

At this point there probably isn’t going to be another Metal Gear game period (which is kind of a shame honestly)

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Larryb posted:

At this point there probably isn’t going to be another Metal Gear game period (which is kind of a shame honestly)

I'm most disappointed that we'll never get a Kazburger business simulator

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Arcsquad12 posted:

Does Kaz come out very often to wander around Mother Base or does he only crop up in cutscenes? The only times I've seen him so far are when he was taken away in a stretcher after I saved him and when I walked into Paz's room.

miller and ocelot only show up in cutscenes

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Wolfsheim posted:

sad there will never be another midquel MGS game to explain Miller's transition from multiple amputee, revenge-obsessed, paranoid psychotic in V to normal military guy in MG, presumably involving more body doubles switches, surgery, and gene therapy

I'm sure it's all cocaine, it's 1984 after all. He'll mellow out when he's not doing rails off Huey's cyberlegs or whatever.

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

Arcsquad12 posted:

Man, Kaz is not at all well, is he? When he's not singing Venom's praise and hailing him as his ultimate Man-Crush he's barely holding together with some serious hatred bordering on pathological need for vengeance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNdbKLIw5rs

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Wolfsheim posted:

sad there will never be another midquel MGS game to explain Miller's transition from multiple amputee, revenge-obsessed, paranoid psychotic in V to normal military guy in MG, presumably involving more body doubles switches, surgery, and gene therapy

Same but for ocelot being chill af in v and then ending up like he does

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Hypnotized himself one too many times, you hate to see it

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

site posted:

Same but for ocelot being chill af in v and then ending up like he does

Technically hes torturing random people throughout all of TPP, just mostly offscreen (except Huey)

His whole overly complicated nickname cassette tape is about how he was so good at torture they started calling him Shalashaska

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Oh yeah true, I kinda never listened to any of the tapes. He's chill in the cutscenes and voice overs in game at least!

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
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would it have been better if things like radar regenerated over time (maybe give generators the same kind of persistence)? maybe have them stay disabled for an hour or two of IRL time when they're destroyed, or have them regenerate once a week?

I like the idea of the radars disallowing Pequod shenanigans (fire support, pickups, hot insertions, etc) but it basically is a factor the first time you play an area and then never again, which is kind of a shame. Most of the rest of the game design allows persistent play, you can come back and do a farming run anytime, but the radars don't ever come back so that's an aspect of the "first time playthrough" that you don't ever get again.

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LaSquida
Nov 1, 2012

Just keep on walkin'.
Radar and Radio being set back up over time and having persistent effects when they are up would be pretty interesting and provide another layer of strategic texture to the game, while also matching what happens to enemy outposts you clear out over time.

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