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bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006






MF_James posted:

Someone lied.

The more I think about it the more I have to come to the conclusion it was my boss who changed it, couldn't find what he changed it to until now, and reset it back while denying it all. Anyone else would have come clean right away but he can simply not admit to being wrong about the most trivial things.

Anyway, now I'm off to make backup admin accounts for all our hosts in case this 'vmware problem' ever happens again.

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Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008


Probably a good idea for monitoring to use a different account than people who log in.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box




MF_James posted:

Someone lied.

Always.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Surely you can pull the age of a password out of whatever system it is, and when it's less than a week old you know it was changed.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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Guy Axlerod posted:

Probably a good idea for monitoring to use a different account than people who log in.

The more unique accounts the better. One for monitoring and one for each individual person.

Its not like accounts cost money, you can have as many as you want

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



RFC2324 posted:

The more unique accounts the better. One for monitoring and one for each individual person.

Its not like accounts cost money, you can have as many as you want

Iíd argue that local admin and monitoring are the only local accounts you should be making.

While I agree that every user of a system should have their own account, it needs to be hooked up to an identity store like AD

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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The Fool posted:

I’d argue that local admin and monitoring are the only local accounts you should be making.

While I agree that every user of a system should have their own account, it needs to be hooked up to an identity store like AD

Fair.

I'm used to the linux world where writing a script to go through all the servers and add the missing lines to passwd is still sometimes a thing.

I spent 10 minutes last night trying to ssh into a windows server I didn't feel nearly as bad when a coworker and the MOD did the se thing, tho

RFC2324 fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 23, 2021

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind





RFC2324 posted:

Fair.

I'm used to the linux world where writing a script to go through all the servers and add the missing lines to passwd is still sometimes a thing.

I spent 10 minutes last night trying to ssh into a windows server I didn't feel nearly as bad when a coworker and the MOD did the se thing, tho

eh it's not like MODs knew

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017


RFC2324 posted:

The more unique accounts the better. One for monitoring and one for each individual person.

Its not like accounts cost money, you can have as many as you want

My personal stance is to never create user accounts but to hook as many systems to the central auth hierarchy(ldap/saml/etc) to limit password oversimplification(if you need to remember ten passwords itís unlikely you will make them all complex and different).

VMware supports ldap on both hosts and vCenter and saml on vCenter. Use a restricted service account for logging and reporting, set up the local root/administrator to a overly complex pass stored on safe and set up everyone with their standard users as admins.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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SlowBloke posted:

My personal stance is to never create user accounts but to hook as many systems to the central auth hierarchy(ldap/saml/etc) to limit password oversimplification(if you need to remember ten passwords itís unlikely you will make them all complex and different).

VMware supports ldap on both hosts and vCenter and saml on vCenter. Use a restricted service account for logging and reporting, set up the local root/administrator to a overly complex pass stored on safe and set up everyone with their standard users as admins.

like I said before, I come from linux where just doing it in passwd is still an accepted thing, particularly when you are dealing with hosted services.

Place I worked a little while back had a script that would iterate through the entire 10-15k server global list of N*X servers updating passwd, group, and sudoers files. it was nuts

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



At least it updated them and kept things consistent

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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Thanks Ants posted:

At least it updated them and kept things consistent

oh yeah, it was pretty good, and way better than the LDAP implementation used by a handful of boxes in germany. Why would you set up an AD server to be the LDAP server for a unix farm, instead of an LDAP server that happened to be referenced by a small handful of windows boxes?

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!



This is the sequel to my previous TED Talk, Email was a mistake.

This morning our Monthly OPS Review call deteriorated into a discussion of why a user did not get notified when someone externally tried sending them an email with a 130MB attachment. I do not want to get a notice for every email that is not delivered to my mailbox, no way. And yet, that is what some of my peers are asking for. There is not a big enough

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box




kensei posted:

This is the sequel to my previous TED Talk, Email was a mistake.

This morning our Monthly OPS Review call deteriorated into a discussion of why a user did not get notified when someone externally tried sending them an email with a 130MB attachment. I do not want to get a notice for every email that is not delivered to my mailbox, no way. And yet, that is what some of my peers are asking for. There is not a big enough

gently caress that noise. Should it also send a notification every time a spam message is blocked? Where do the notifications for undelivered email stop? Tall about slippery slopes.

In other news, the offshoot company that now does our IT services has made a statement to individuals "Any changes without notification or authorization will result in a formal verbal warning... "

So far "any changes" is undefined. So, you know, logging into boxes? Checking something in the vCenter console? Building a new non prod VM?

I get that change controls are important, critical even, but poo poo has to be specific.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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AlexDeGruven posted:

gently caress that noise. Should it also send a notification every time a spam message is blocked? Where do the notifications for undelivered email stop? Tall about slippery slopes.

In other news, the offshoot company that now does our IT services has made a statement to individuals "Any changes without notification or authorization will result in a formal verbal warning... "

So far "any changes" is undefined. So, you know, logging into boxes? Checking something in the vCenter console? Building a new non prod VM?

I get that change controls are important, critical even, but poo poo has to be specific.

Did something change? Thats a change. Its really only complicated if you are trying to make production changes you shouldn't be.

Logging in and doing fact finding isn't a change. Adjusting a setting to see what hapoens, even if you change it back, is a change.

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008


Mail fails delivery due to over quota. Better send an email about that.

Finally delete some stuff, the 100s of over quota notifications are piling in putting you back over quota, and generate more over quota notifications.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Guy Axlerod posted:

Mail fails delivery due to over quota. Better send an email about that.

Finally delete some stuff, the 100s of over quota notifications are piling in putting you back over quota, and generate more over quota notifications.

I've changed my mind, you should do this.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



AlexDeGruven posted:

gently caress that noise. Should it also send a notification every time a spam message is blocked? Where do the notifications for undelivered email stop? Tall about slippery slopes.

Barracuda used to send you a little summary email every day with all the messages it blocked and a button to click on to allow them if they weren't spam.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady


kensei posted:

This is the sequel to my previous TED Talk, Email was a mistake.

This morning our Monthly OPS Review call deteriorated into a discussion of why a user did not get notified when someone externally tried sending them an email with a 130MB attachment. I do not want to get a notice for every email that is not delivered to my mailbox, no way. And yet, that is what some of my peers are asking for. There is not a big enough
Presumably the sender was notified that the mail was rejected?

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!



Arquinsiel posted:

Presumably the sender was notified that the mail was rejected?

Yes, that was my point but I was shouting into the void at that moment so I am just waiting to see what happens with this after the P2 call is over.

(I am not joining the bridge in fear of saying something I may regret)

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady


I'm not sure it's possible to politely phrase "you want to make other company's mistakes our problem". Probably best to just hope they forget the idea.

chin up everything sucks
Jan 29, 2012



The sending party would have gotten a rejection notification when the email bounced. If they are sending 130MB files from an automated system, I bet they bounce on MOST of the people they send email to. I'd just get a quick list of how many spam emails are blocked or rejected each day across the organization, and go "Do you want to have X number of notifications blasting out every day, and having people review each one instead of being more productive?"

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008


The mail can be rejected somewhere else before it even gets to a system you control.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box




RFC2324 posted:

Did something change? Thats a change. Its really only complicated if you are trying to make production changes you shouldn't be.

Logging in and doing fact finding isn't a change. Adjusting a setting to see what hapoens, even if you change it back, is a change.

I agree, but without defined barriers on what a change actually entails, it's useless to say 'change'.

Logging into a system itself changes a lot of things. Granted, none of them are significant from an operational standpoint, but it still changes the state of parts of the system.

I'm being purposefully hyperbolic about it because the people making the demands are assholes who don't know poo poo from poo poo, and they have put forth stupidly nebulous requirements before.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!




Guy Axlerod posted:

The mail can be rejected somewhere else before it even gets to a system you control.

Exactly. Our email system at my previous employer would reject sent emails over a certain size before they got out of the network. I assume most do that, to varying degrees.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy


I am a broke brained idiot when it comes to change management and will go as far as to submit tickets for updating port descriptions.

You never know when you're going to run some dumb poo poo arris bug.

If for nothing else, you have clear documentation of the before and after in a specific place that will last forever.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!



Apparently the issue was a concern over our Anti-Spam system accepting an email that was larger than the limit we have set in O365, so those will now match and no extra notices were deemed necessary. Sometimes things work out!

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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Renegret posted:

I am a broke brained idiot when it comes to change management and will go as far as to submit tickets for updating port descriptions.

You never know when you're going to run some dumb poo poo arris bug.

If for nothing else, you have clear documentation of the before and after in a specific place that will last forever.

I am extremely fond of the script command. Record every drat thing I do for CYA purposes? yes please!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS


RFC2324 posted:

I am extremely fond of the script command. Record every drat thing I do for CYA purposes? yes please!

Sounds like entrapment to me

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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Fil5000 posted:

Sounds like entrapment to me

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006



Bleak Gremlin

Fil5000 posted:

Sounds like entrapment to me

This joke is still great.

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Lord Dudeguy
Sep 17, 2006
[Insert good English here]

RFC2324 posted:

Did something change? Thats a change. Its really only complicated if you are trying to make production changes you shouldn't be.

Logging in and doing fact finding isn't a change. Adjusting a setting to see what hapoens, even if you change it back, is a change.

How do you keep 100% strict change controls while simultaneously being able to get work done? If every single change needs to be reviewed and improved, projects would take centuries to complete.

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