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dragonshardz
May 2, 2017



dragonshardz posted:

So, on the advice of neogeo, posting here. I'm currently looking for work in IT, but at 26 haven't had much luck even with some (~2 years) of helldesk experience. I'm currently going to school for an AS in Systems Administration, but have no certs yet because I have basically no money with which to pay for the test. I can only afford school because of Pell Grants. Hell, I don't even know which certs I should go for.

I feel like I'm on the edge of being a goon in a well - despite being willing to learn and work my way up, I can't even get my foot in the loving door.

I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example?

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ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006



dragonshardz posted:

I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example?

I feel like it came from here, but somebody said applying for jobs is just as much luck as it is actually fitting the role they are looking for. Sort of like online dating. You sent out a bunch of resumes just hoping some of them stick so you can go meet them and see what they're all about.

That probably ruined the whole delivery, but basically keep your head up. There's gotta be something out there you can sink your teeth into; though we do have a few people who live in pretty dry markets.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004





dragonshardz posted:

I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example?

Honestly it's not been a major problem in my life, though I assume that's not because I'm some special supercoder.

I'm in a pretty good sellers' market right now and getting a new job (assuming I don't go back to an old client) looks something like this:
1. Approx 2-4 weeks of combing every job aggregator every day and applying to every job that looks decent, maybe 30 total
2. Of those 30 I have an introductory chat with maybe 15, mostly worthless agency recruiters
3. Of those 15 I interview with 6 or 7.
4. Of those 6 or 7 I'll get 4 offers, reject 2 because of red flags in and around the interview, and pick between the last 2.

blackswordca
Apr 25, 2010

Just 'cause you pour syrup on something doesn't make it pancakes!

dragonshardz posted:

I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example?

It depends on area, but here knowing somebody seems to be the only way to get an interview if you aren't a walking tech deity willing to work for half the going rate.

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006



blackswordca posted:

It depends on area, but here knowing somebody seems to be the only way to get an interview if you aren't a walking tech deity willing to work for half the going rate.

This is depressingly accurate for our area....

neogeo0823
Jul 4, 2007

NO THAT'S NOT ME!!


ChubbyThePhat posted:

I feel like it came from here, but somebody said applying for jobs is just as much luck as it is actually fitting the role they are looking for. Sort of like online dating. You sent out a bunch of resumes just hoping some of them stick so you can go meet them and see what they're all about.

That probably ruined the whole delivery, but basically keep your head up. There's gotta be something out there you can sink your teeth into; though we do have a few people who live in pretty dry markets.

Hilariously, that was me. Except that I'm pretty sure I said it in the poo poo pissing you off thread. Or maybe the resume thread.

EDIT: Found it, and it is from the poo poo pissing me off thread:

neogeo0823 posted:

If it's any consolation, the world of resumes and cover letters is a baffling thing. It's a bit like those really old proto-memes about dating women; You know, "as soon as you think you know the rules, they will change them", etc. The resume and interview thread is even like that. I posted a resume that I thought followed the OP to a T, and was immediately told to literally throw it out and start from scratch. Then the next few people started posting about resumes that were two column and had blue accents and poo poo.

Really though, I've come to find that the world of job hunting actually is a lot like the world of online dating. You fill in a bunch of forms, answer a bunch of personal questions about your likes, wants, needs, and hobbies, (in certain places) upload a photo, and then send blind messages to everywhere that you can in the hopes that literally anyone will do anything other than ignore you completely.

neogeo0823 fucked around with this message at May 17, 2018 around 22:55

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady


dragonshardz posted:

I should elaborate that I'm looking more for general directional advice than specific career advice. How the gently caress do you get HR flacks to do more than toss your resume unread, for example?
Keywords. A lot of early HR filtering is done automatically, so edit your resume so that your phrasing includes the keywords you're reading from the spec. Don't lie, just make sure you#re matching how you talk about your history to the history they want. I have heard of people including the entire job spec in white text at the end to try game this, but I have no idea how well that'd work and if you get rumbled it won't look good.

Then poo poo out all the applications you can and get lucky

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017



ChubbyThePhat posted:

I feel like it came from here, but somebody said applying for jobs is just as much luck as it is actually fitting the role they are looking for. Sort of like online dating. You sent out a bunch of resumes just hoping some of them stick so you can go meet them and see what they're all about.

That probably ruined the whole delivery, but basically keep your head up. There's gotta be something out there you can sink your teeth into; though we do have a few people who live in pretty dry markets.

Keeping my head up is hard as gently caress. Going into year 2 of being unemployed save for a short stint at the local TRU during the holiday crush, nothing else otherwise. Probably part of why I'm getting ignored?

Jaded Burnout posted:

Honestly it's not been a major problem in my life, though I assume that's not because I'm some special supercoder.

I'm in a pretty good sellers' market right now and getting a new job (assuming I don't go back to an old client) looks something like this:
1. Approx 2-4 weeks of combing every job aggregator every day and applying to every job that looks decent, maybe 30 total
2. Of those 30 I have an introductory chat with maybe 15, mostly worthless agency recruiters
3. Of those 15 I interview with 6 or 7.
4. Of those 6 or 7 I'll get 4 offers, reject 2 because of red flags in and around the interview, and pick between the last 2.

Wow, you get offers interviews the time of day from HR? Teach me your secrets!

blackswordca posted:

It depends on area, but here knowing somebody seems to be the only way to get an interview if you aren't a walking tech deity willing to work for half the going rate.

So it seems. Any suggestions on how to know somebody when you're a loving poor?

Arquinsiel posted:

Keywords. A lot of early HR filtering is done automatically, so edit your resume so that your phrasing includes the keywords you're reading from the spec. Don't lie, just make sure you#re matching how you talk about your history to the history they want. I have heard of people including the entire job spec in white text at the end to try game this, but I have no idea how well that'd work and if you get rumbled it won't look good.

Then poo poo out all the applications you can and get lucky

I have tried doing keyword jiggery and it seems to do about as much as as not bothering so far. I have a base resume I edit for specific stuff and it gets a keyword hit from sketchy headhunter firms every so often.

Luck seems to be where it all falls apart for me.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

Http 418


dragonshardz posted:

Keeping my head up is hard as gently caress. Going into year 2 of being unemployed save for a short stint at the local TRU during the holiday crush, nothing else otherwise. Probably part of why I'm getting ignored?



I gave up and am starting my own company while I go back to school. Its amazing how many more recruiters are reaching out to me since I updated my linked in to show me as owner of a company, tho they still sketchy as gently caress and think I want to move to bumfuck Missouri. Maybe Lowtax is looking for a new admin....

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box

Learn to specialize in a platform where the vast majority of the experts are over 60 and looking for retirement.

You'll get recruiters pinging you constantly.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

Http 418


AlexDeGruven posted:

Learn to specialize in a platform where the vast majority of the experts are over 60 and looking for retirement.

You'll get recruiters pinging you constantly.

I'm a UNIX admin

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box

RFC2324 posted:

I'm a UNIX admin

Which UNIX?

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

Http 418



I have solaris experience, Linux(RHEL family and, to a lesser degree, debian family and SUSE), and when placed in front of an AIX aptitude test was able to score the highest the recruiter had ever seen despite never having worked with it.

If you know one UNIX, the rest seem to be pretty easy since the basic concepts are the same.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017



RFC2324 posted:

I have solaris experience, Linux(RHEL family and, to a lesser degree, debian family and SUSE), and when placed in front of an AIX aptitude test was able to score the highest the recruiter had ever seen despite never having worked with it.

If you know one UNIX, the rest seem to be pretty easy since the basic concepts are the same.

Barring any fucky syntax changes (I'm looking at you, HPux!)

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We spent a really long time looking for a new RPG programmer. RPG like AS400 stuff. We ended up stealing a consultant who we've paid probably 150k to this year to his parent company.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box

RFC2324 posted:

I have solaris experience, Linux(RHEL family and, to a lesser degree, debian family and SUSE), and when placed in front of an AIX aptitude test was able to score the highest the recruiter had ever seen despite never having worked with it.

If you know one UNIX, the rest seem to be pretty easy since the basic concepts are the same.

AIX was the one I was thinking about specifically. Though a lot of recruiters still have their heads way up their asses. One pinged me for a job in NYC wanting at least 4 years of AIX (I have about 15) paying $80,000. I had to strongly resist the automatic reaction of "lolfuckoff".

Solaris is kind of a weird one, and seems to be pretty regional. There are a few companies around here doing a lot of it, but most of them tend to be more in the Linux space (RHEL and Ubuntu because lolsuse).

If you want to get into the AIX space professionally, look at health systems (EPIC prefers AIX) and auto manufacturing. Financials are hit or miss, as a lot of them are still using Z.

Getting certs is always a plus, I get a lot more calls now that I have my RHCE, even though I don't really use it. If you get a good study guide, you could probably get through the CSA and CE without the classes and save yourself a few thousand. $800 for the CSA and CE total is definitely worth it.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

Http 418


I'm currently taking wgu classes so certifications ahoy. i think my program gets 11 of the suckers.

Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

ChubbyThePhat posted:

I feel like it came from here, but somebody said applying for jobs is just as much luck as it is actually fitting the role they are looking for. Sort of like online dating. You sent out a bunch of resumes just hoping some of them stick so you can go meet them and see what they're all about.

That probably ruined the whole delivery, but basically keep your head up. There's gotta be something out there you can sink your teeth into; though we do have a few people who live in pretty dry markets.

That was probably me. it was probably this post:

Thanatosian posted:

I'm not saying you shouldn't examine your interview skills, resumes, cover letters, etc., but keep in mind that finding a job is--to a certain extent--roulette. You have to be lucky enough that they liked your resume, your cover letter, and your interview more than whoever else they happened to look at. It may not even be that another person was "better" than you, but that they just happened to not hit some pet peeve of the interviewer or something that you did, that they only found one spelling mistake in the other person's cover letter, but two in yours (even though theirs had five and yours only had two), that they were looking for someone with widget X skills specifically, and you've never even heard of widget X, or it's so obscure you didn't bother putting it on your resume and your interviewer wasn't the one making the hiring decision, so didn't ask you about it, or they really don't like Helvetica at the place you're applying and that's the font you chose to use, etc., etc., etc.

Definitely try to improve the things you can, but keep in mind that a huge portion of the job hunt is just completely outside your control, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about.

I'll additionally add that I recommend reading AskAManager's advice on cover letters and resumes. I re-wrote mine based on what she suggested, and immediately started getting more bites (post hoc ergo propter hoc, maybe, but it probably won't hurt).

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004





dragonshardz posted:

Wow, you get offers interviews the time of day from HR? Teach me your secrets!

TBH I'm rarely talking to HR in the first instance. It's usually another dev, team manager, or a CTO, typically HR get involved *after* the initial sanity check in order to facilitate interviews and then onboarding.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...


My wife wants to learn programming, but has no idea where to begin. I think she wants to do app development. What language should she learn?

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004





Bigass Moth posted:

My wife wants to learn programming, but has no idea where to begin. I think she wants to do app development. What language should she learn?

Recommend checking out the newbie programming/career thread.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Bigass Moth posted:

My wife wants to learn programming, but has no idea where to begin. I think she wants to do app development. What language should she learn?

I guess python to learn basic programming and then jump to Java for Android or whatever Apple's codebase is? That sounds like a multi-year endeavor to produce even half-working cludgy personal projects.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...


She’s looking at it as a career change possibility within five years.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box

Codecademy is good for learning the basics. They have a lot of python, and it's geared toward programming logic, which is the biggest hump. After you understand how programming works at a base level, the rest is syntax.

PremiumSupport
Aug 17, 2015


AlexDeGruven posted:

Codecademy is good for learning the basics. They have a lot of python, and it's geared toward programming logic, which is the biggest hump. After you understand how programming works at a base level, the rest is syntax.

Agreed.

I don't do a lot of programming from scratch myself, but I spend much of my free time modding games which involves looking at other people's code and figuring out how to manipulate it to do what I want. Half the battle is understanding the logic of what is happening, how the and/or/not conditionals work and how for/while loops function. Once you can follow the logic the rest, as Alex said, is just syntax.

Malek
Jun 22, 2003

Shut up Girl!
And as always: Kill Hitler.


fsrm.experiant.ca

RIP

EDIT: Praise Nexxai!

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nexxai
Jul 17, 2002

quack quack bjork

Fun Shoe

Malek posted:

fsrm.experiant.ca

RIP

Sorry, that was me loving around with some page forwarding rules at CloudFlare. It should be working now.

EDIT: For some backstory - the company that I built (Experiant) merged with another MSP (IT Partners) and I was trying to forward just the main webpage to theirs. I hosed up the rule and made it *.experiant.ca (which technically should have worked since it was the last page rule, but I digress) instead of experiant.ca and https://www.experiant.ca

FSRM isn't going anywhere.

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The Muffinlord
Mar 3, 2007

newbid stupie?

A coworker who's frequently rude to users over the phone got an earful from our manager today cause he did it right in front of her. He spent his whole morning sulking about it afterwards. Today's been a good day so far.

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