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RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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I remember a buddy who worked as a PC tech telling me his company had a policy of just reformatting and reinstalling any ME systems that came in that were around 6 months old, and telling anyone who had an install much older than that to buy a new computer because ME will physically damage the hardware after around 6 months. I never saw any reason to challenge the assertion, it made perfect sense to me

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Shugojin posted:

I'm really surprised that the forums are up despite thisat any given point in time

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totalnewbie posted:

Wasn't this around the same era as those terrible capacitors out of Taiwan that wrecked a lot of motherboards/computers?

Looks like it, tho that wasn't what they were talking about.

The claim was that the whole OS was basically a bad driver, and would additionally corrupt itself to the point of catastrophic if not wiped regularly.

It was mostly bullshit, but i remember there being a bunch of super bad drivers in that era.

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Volguus posted:

It was a bad driver. It was rushed. It was never supposed to happen. It just "fell" on people's laps. Everyone was expecting that Windows 98 SE to be the last of the DOS->Win era, for everyone to be moving to the NT kernel (hello Windows XP), and yet they came out with a yet another legacy windows OS, with updated icons and lovely everything else. You were better off with win98 SE at the time or windows 2000 (if your computer could run it).

Yeah. I went from 98se to 2k myself so never dealt with me much myself.

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Arquinsiel posted:

On the other hand, I'm currently doing four 12's and then four days off and it's garbage. 10 may be the limit for sanity.

I loved my 12s. I don't really unwind after work, so having so many days clear is p awesome

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final interview friday for a job in denver

looks like a lovely company, but better than no job!

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Schadenboner posted:

We're all 3.5 12s (3x 12-hour shifts and a sixer but I'm actually 3 12s and a 7 since the weekly meeting starts an hour before my half-day does).

And we're hourly.

And all of us are scheduled this way.

And our new manager is persistently confused about why we're all getting OT.



lol

I did both 3.5 12s and alternating 3-4 day weeks. Both were awesome, but the alternating wednesdays off were the best. Also, your manager is an idiot.


Arquinsiel posted:

I'm sleeping through my first day off at a minimum right now. The weekly alternation between earlies and lates is not helpful with that though.

not having the same hours every day you work sucks and completely fucks me up every time. I'll work any shift, as long as its the same shift.

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Arquinsiel posted:

Yeah, I'm coming off the first nightshift now and I'm genuinely regretting taking the job. It was the first place that offered me anything though, and I'd been unemployed for a few months so

2 years unemployed/self employed and bad at it.

Sometimes you just gotta take the job

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Thanks Ants posted:

It sucks that the best way to get a job is to have one, but sometimes you have to play the game. I have covered for a few months before by claiming to do freelance sysadmin stuff.

Edit: ^ and good luck

i had one place ask me for client references when i told them i had been doing freelance work.

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Kalas posted:

If you are in helpdesk, the fact they are too lazy to google things is why you have a job.
I like people being happy and non-google-savvy (dumb) and comfortable coming to me with issues so they never realize they don't actually need me.

I've done helpdesk for 20 years (sanity is for the weak) and the only thing that matters to me if my co-workers are assholes or not and if my managers have a brain, or are Dilbert style managers.

I look over from my lowly helpdesk at the guys on the network/systems team and their bigger paychecks and note that I am much less stressed out and also importantly not in the on-call rotation.

If you are not in helpdesk why are you dealing with this, sent it to the suckers who's job it is to hold peoples hands.

it's come up before, but google is a skill. knowing how to do a search that will come up with the relevant info isn't something everyone can do, and it's part of why it fields so many off the wall questions.

try getting someone to google their own issues sometime and watch the weird poo poo they find.

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Merijn posted:

I'd always assumed all devs messed around with computers in their free time, but yeah this is probably true. I used to work with some dude who told me that, outside of work, he never used computers for fun. At all. He even preferred to not use them, period.

He also wrote fairly shoddy code in frameworks that everybody hated except him, but that's besides the point.

my first admin job was at a dev house where half the devs were former admins. every last one of them told me not to trust devs to know anything, no matter what their background

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guppy posted:


The thought process is always that since developers are good at one computer thing (coding), they must be good at other computer things. Not only does this not logically follow, but it presupposes that the developers are, in fact, good at coding. I have known some tremendously lovely coders. I have some basic coding experience but I'm not very good at it; I'm still better than some of the people who have done it professionally for years.

not only that, but it was pointed out that devs use a different thought process than admins, and it's not a good process for doing admin stuff, as well as the same type of concerns that mean the infosec team shouldn't be part of it

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Johnny Aztec posted:

I dunno, would you trust a mechanic that couldn’t drive?

if he understood how the car worked, why not?

I'd guess you would be surprised how many mechanics are out there with no drivers license.

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MF_James posted:

Yeah, but why don't they have license, because they don't know how to drive, or they do dumb poo poo?

I would argue doing dumb poo poo counts as not knowing how to drive as much as it counts as not knowing how to computer.

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Partycat posted:

Are you just jamming the glass into some sort of data hole ?

What the hell is a “loose fiber cable”?

isn't that how you install fiber?

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pr0digal posted:

An LC-LC fibre cable that is not fully plugged into the port under the desk. Though I suppose yes, I am just jamming the glass into a data hole.

When they're at feet level people tend to kick them. I have a picture somewhere where it's just the connectors stuck in the port and everything else is sheared off.

reminds me of the call center i worked in during the early 2000s where we figured out that kicking the plug would drop the call in a way that made it look like the customer hung up, and take 30 minutes to reboot the phone so free break.

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Kyrosiris posted:

I actually did something like that the first time I ever saw "kindly revert" in a ticket. I had just made a hardware change and they replied to me with "kindly revert on what has been done" and I thought the "on" was a typo or something, so I happily went and undid the hardware changes. They were furious, and got even more mad when I stated that they asked me to revert what had been done, and I did exactly that.

Luckily my manager was chill and smoothed it over but cripes that was a learning experience.

I skipped ahead from Oct to this page, and you had just posted the exact same story. I was v confused

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just lol if you don't use an autotune for your meetings

in other news, job decided to take away the wfh that my team has had forever, despite my team being the highest performing in the company. I've developed some anxiety issues, which makes coming into the office every day a no-go. I just got my letter from the doc saying its probably not safe for me to drive to work every day just in time for them to relocate the office to an area with laughable public transit

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Dirt Road Junglist posted:

I run my mic thru an Avalon preamp and a Chandler Ltd Germanium sometimes. It's such overkill, especially as compressed as the audio is on a meeting stream, but lol


Haha, oh poo poo, that's what I should do next.


Geezus, that's a terrible policy. Some parts of my company have been rumbling about that, but my boss lives 2 hours from the office and has a good track record of telling upper management to gently caress off with bad ideas, so I have some confidence in him keeping poo poo running status quo. Can you use the doctor's recommendation as a bargaining chip?

Almost everyone in the company thinks its a terrible idea, and my boss was laughing when I told him I was talking to my doc about it because half the team is likely to follow suit, making the whole policy counterproductive because now we have the ammo to push back if they want to use it as a "behave or we take it away" the way they have before.

And yeah, either they work with me like they said they would or becomes an ADA issue, since I have a C-PTSD diagnosis, one of my coworkers has a PTSD diagnosis as a combat vet, and at least one other person has fairly severe social anxiety issues. I'm just the first one to realize we CAN push back.

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Dirt Road Junglist posted:

Keep fighting the good fight. The only way we get rights as workers is to explain what we want and not be satisfied til we get it.

poo poo, I am not reliably safe to drive. I am not risking my life by driving into work while I am dissociating, and if they have a problem with that I'll just have to lawyer up.

I doubt I will, I accidentally got the HR director involved and he's being super cool about it, so hopefully they see its in their own best interest not make the allowance.

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The Fool posted:

I didn't think any of my coworkers were goons

apparently we all work together

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Ranter posted:

HR are like cops. They're not on your side and are not to be trusted. Good luck though.

ehhh, they aren't on my side, but I wouldn't say they are cops. they don't routinely murder people, for one

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Merijn posted:

Dang, you guys are hardcode. I was taught BASIC and QBASIC at age 11 at school on some old Ataris, and promptly confused the two and messed up the exam.

I still miss the ROM BASIC i used to write programs in during 7th grade algebra. I wrote the dumbest poo poo

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Renegret posted:

I'm jealous of everyone who learned a little bit of programming in primary school. Then I would've learned before my 3rd year of college that I loving hated it, and could've saved myself years of suffering.

Teaching grade school kids to program mostly leads to animated dicks and rigging computers to gently caress with people

Also a visit from men in Black suits my freshman year if high school over a practical joke

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Renegret posted:

To be fair, this isn't exclusive to children

I need to know more about the black suits though

I downloaded some program that pretended to hack the FBI, and used it in class. I didn't realize the teacher wouldn't be smart enough to realize an IBM PS/2 isn't capable of being networked, and he apparently made a call.

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my favorite was the dude that figured out he could use a rare earth magnet to make the entire network go insane somehow.

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I wish you to die in a pit full of bed bugs.
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Oh god gently caress this thought even I'm freaking out just thinking about it.

Bedbugs are a loving nightmare

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I can't stop twitching now. all thing that might ever allow bedbugs to live must die in a fire

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Methylethylaldehyde posted:

Fire, specifically heating the entire apartment to high enough temps to denature a few key enzymes they need to live, is one of the few ways to kill bedbugs these days. They're resistant to almost every pesticide except for a few truly awful organo-phosphates, which are basically a name brand and a methyl group away from a big-boy nerve agent warcrime waiting to happen.

I am quite aware, I've dealt with them. Thats where the pathological hatred comes from.

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Johnny Aztec posted:

Here now,some of my favorite books are printed on paper!

Better to get it in digital format so you can stop killing trees

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Proteus Jones posted:

Start looking now.

And make sure you have some authority over the next CE

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Dravs posted:

No, a correctly installed HSF would literally snap the motherboard in half before it became dislodged itself.

I've seen entire cases carried around be one before.

The computer even worked afterward!

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AlexDeGruven posted:

Sure, but I leave that to the app developers to handle after the fact. I'm not in the business of debugging someone else's code, especially at 4:30am now.

And yeah. Rebooting, in the *nix world in particular, is a last resort to get poo poo moving if all else fails.

reboot a N*X server means a hardware or kernel issue.

or lovely java is leaking uncontrollably again

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D. Ebdrup posted:

Java belongs in a jail, with resource control via rctl.

I don't get to engineer these lovely platforms, I just get to keep them alive

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Merijn posted:

I have never heard of this solution. What does it solve? Does it work?

a #2 pencil eraser does a pretty much perfect job of cleaning corrosion off of the contacts, which can obviously clear up weird memory errors where everything is actually good.

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Sickening posted:

What would be the purpose?


Yikes. Seems kind of needless.

I have literally never worked anywhere that my birthday wasn't on the new hire paperwork, which just got passed as a package to each relevant department

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Sickening posted:

Crazy. All my personal information has just been with HR at every place I have worked. At most your birthday month was the only public company info.

Given that your birthday is public record, thats not the one I worry about.

I had one job post everyone's SSN in the break room

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This just sounds like they are saying your job is safe because they are just going to work you to death

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dragonshardz posted:

Or as an excuse for workers to not work.

"Program X isn't responding, can't do work." OK, Frank, close Program X and try again, possibly without asking it to sort a billion rows of financial data.

If sorting all the data at once is wrong i don't want to be right.

Has anyone ever tried sorting the kernel?

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Jewel posted:

I mean you say that yet every major food retailer in the fuckin' world still throws out their food surplus instead of giving it to shelters,

This isn't true, just saying. Its a minority of them, but plenty donate or give away food. Churches still gives out they excess at the end of the day if you show up to collect it, and when I was homeless eating at shelters I got so loving tired of Red Lobster and Starbucks its not funny.

Problem with donating that stuff is that it doesn't keep well, and isn't one of the basic components which is what they need. There is no surplus flour/sugar/eggs, so there isn't actually much a shelter can take in all practicality.

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