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E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011


Zigmidge posted:

Pve players want to dismantle every pvpve game there is.


Dr. Clockwork posted:

I hope crytek ignores their whining and doesn’t devote a bunch of time and resources to that in the hope of reaching a wider demographic.


Dr. Clockwork posted:

I am very glad this is not the game we got.


I feel like there is enough room for both this game, and a version of the original concept. And with Crysis being re-released they'll actually have the money to maybe experiment with the original concept more. Either in a spinoff or addition to this game.

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Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!

E-Tank posted:

I feel like there is enough room for both this game, and a version of the original concept. And with Crysis being re-released they'll actually have the money to maybe experiment with the original concept more. Either in a spinoff or addition to this game.

OK in hindsight as an additional game to Hunt Showdown, I would be down with it. If nothing else to get more lore because I love this setting.

Quicksilver6
Mar 21, 2008




Hair Elf

I just want to see more of the world. Than just Louisiana. Let me hunt a gluttonous fiend stalking the socialist communes of Paris, let me destroy evil in the pueblos of 1880s Mexico, show me more of the strangeness of this universe.

Admittedly I would love to just poke around whatever environments they come up with but I will take what I can get.

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011



The survivors of the other 3 trios fighting at the boss at Fish came down to us at the boss at Healing but went thru Blanchett and the water to Pitching instead of the land route through Lockbay.

My favorite games are when the enemy is aggressive but stupid.

https://streamable.com/i9es78

Varkas
Apr 16, 2003

If I post before 5pm PST, PM my boss and tell him I'm fired.

The 1.4 update should now be live for PC: https://steamcommunity.com/games/59...533026448564955

Sounds like it might be a good idea to validate the local files after the patch runs.

Mostly good changes, particularly with the new Serpent Trait and looting dead hunters to restore 1 second of dark sight boost. I'm not thrilled with the idea of hellfires instantly removing small outer health bars though, but we'll see how many folks end up using them this way.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!

I have a feeling everyone will be using them this way, but I didn’t play on test so I don’t know what the meta was like.

DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

I'm more upset about frags eating poo poo.
Deleting people with those was delicious.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!

I appreciate the huge list of known issues at the bottom. Not sarcasm, it’s cool that they’re transparent about “this poo poo is still busted but we are working on it”.

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011



DarkDobe posted:

I'm more upset about frags eating poo poo.
Deleting people with those was delicious.

The change was pretty minor, my shredded bodies can confirm.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!

Update is good, new skins are awesome, burning out twice as fast feels bad but otherwise I like the changes.

DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2THDcHg5Xw

DarkDobe fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jun 10, 2020

AbsoluteLlama
Aug 15, 2009

By the power vested in me by random musings in tmt... I proclaim you guilty of crustophilia!


Mordja posted:

Huh, didn't realize that banishing cleared all status effects like burning.

Yup. It'll also heal bars on downed allies.

New update is brutal. Fighting the butcher is not easy anymore as far as I can tell. You lose health bars just by getting hit. Same with poison from hives. You can't just kill and wait out the poison, it just drops a small health bar immediately.

I guess it's time to start carrying poison shots again. *sigh*

Varkas
Apr 16, 2003

If I post before 5pm PST, PM my boss and tell him I'm fired.


Doom Guy would be proud.

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018




AbsoluteLlama posted:

Yup. It'll also heal bars on downed allies.

New update is brutal. Fighting the butcher is not easy anymore as far as I can tell. You lose health bars just by getting hit. Same with poison from hives. You can't just kill and wait out the poison, it just drops a small health bar immediately.

I guess it's time to start carrying poison shots again. *sigh*

I find it has made hives much easier to kill... Because if you can run up and one tap with a knife you only are poisoned for three seconds now

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011



So uh I dont think this is documented but the poison hand crossbow now instantly and silently kills armoreds, immolators and flocks of birds

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014




Hell Gem

Basticle posted:

So uh I dont think this is documented but the poison hand crossbow now instantly and silently kills armoreds, immolators and flocks of birds

That honestly just sounds like a bug.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!

Is there typically a huge influx of hackers when a new patch goes live, because holy poo poo there have been a lot of sketchy things the past two days. Most notably was a team we just encountered where one person got hit by dynamite, a shot from my Carbine from 25m AND A HEADSHOT from my teammate before she killed both of us with her Romero.

DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

Basticle posted:

So uh I dont think this is documented but the poison hand crossbow now instantly and silently kills armoreds, immolators and flocks of birds

The bird part was not mentioned - but yea, they document it actually being useful against crunchy (and spicy) and burny boys. I almost always run antidotes (small ones are enough now) and so should everyone. They trivialize the most annoying enemies, and absolutely neuter the poison traps, weapons and bee barrels.

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What's pissing me RIGHT off is that something has changed about Assassin behavior/collision and now he escapes out of sticky bombs about 80% of the time - like you slap one to him, he turns into bugs... and nothing happens.
Before, he'd set off the bomb immediately and take usually 50-75%

Now? Nothing at all, just dealing with that piece of poo poo the 'real' way.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Serpent trait is insane. No more sitting on bounties to avoid sight. You can just loving skip any and all dangers getting clues.

It's p loving silly.

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011



frag bomb still pretty OP

https://streamable.com/05deqp

DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

https://i.gyazo.com/7dfb5bd52447fc2...9f55952e57e.mp4

I'm coming around on the gunsword.

Airburst your explosives, folks. 3rd kill was a dude in the up stairs window.

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This patch made stickies just not work on assassin and it sucks poo poo.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl and FOURTEEN KARAT GOLD!!!

Warning: SU Season 3 Spoilers


Played my first three real matches tonight, first game I died in less than five minutes cause I triggered that one bug swarm enemy(and I still have no idea what to do against those things), second game went fantastic and my team won(helped that even after we killed and banished the bounty we only ran into one other player the whole time), third match started off great cause we ended up literally spawned right next to the bounty, but by the time we had banished it literally the entirety of the rest of the server showed up and we all died

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

My battleboo just said "yeah, us. Ma'am. We'll be going to war. Not you."


drrockso20 posted:

I triggered that one bug swarm enemy(and I still have no idea what to do against those things),

Either avoid them to be silent, or use a silenced weapon to hit them in their head that hangs off the side. If noise is no concern, rush them with sprinting and strike them in the head with knuckledusters or a knife.

DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

drrockso20 posted:

Played my first three real matches tonight, first game I died in less than five minutes cause I triggered that one bug swarm enemy(and I still have no idea what to do against those things), second game went fantastic and my team won(helped that even after we killed and banished the bounty we only ran into one other player the whole time), third match started off great cause we ended up literally spawned right next to the bounty, but by the time we had banished it literally the entirety of the rest of the server showed up and we all died

Bee ladies are huge assholes. Best way to deal with them, listed in order of preference:
- Antidote shots (really, these are so good they should be mandatory, as they negate so much) - this won't stop them attacking you though so:
- Avoidance - Bee ladies have a pretty big aggro radius, especially when in their 'alert' state - you can tell when the cloud of bees starts buzzing around them/they scream. Noise will put them into alert state, which hugely increases their sight radius.
- Melee the Bee Lady - If they are in your way, sprint up and melee them. If you do this fast enough, they will barely touch you if at all.
- Flee - If you aren't exhausted, you can outrun the bees. You cannot effectively hide from them, though, unless there are other players the swarm can target.
- Melee the swarm - knife gets rid of it in about 3-4 light attacks.
- Shoot the bee lady - their head hangs behind the left shoulder, making it a little awkward to hit.

Single-boss maps where you kill/banish first tend to be absolute clusterfucks. Often times the best way to play that is to hide and let the other teams murder each other. If you are feeling saucy, you can even hide 'off site' - like in one of the adjacent buildings - rather than in the boss building.
However, this runs the risk of having your tokens stolen (which I absolutely thrive on doing to other teams).

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011



It's funny, I took antidotes 100% of the time since probably 1.0 came out almost a year ago, but with the new poison mechanics, if you get hit by a swarm (which typically only happens to me when I'm rushing a hive with a knife) it lasts like 2 seconds, so now I just use that extra consumable slot for something else and maybe take Mithridadist if I'm feeling frisky.

DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

Basticle posted:

It's funny, I took antidotes 100% of the time since probably 1.0 came out almost a year ago, but with the new poison mechanics, if you get hit by a swarm (which typically only happens to me when I'm rushing a hive with a knife) it lasts like 2 seconds, so now I just use that extra consumable slot for something else and maybe take Mithridadist if I'm feeling frisky.

Hives like to bug (ha) out and apply longer poison in my experience.
That and antidotes negate bombs, traps, doctors (supremely annoying if they catch you during a fight) and of course the spider - though lately the Assassin is the biggest chore since Stickies don't work on him since the latest patch.

I like rolling with: Sticky, Frag, ~random choice~, Antidote
Usually random choice is a second frag or something to burn things with.
I never got into the habit of using Vitality shots as a staple part of my hunter diet - first aid kits are more than enough, especially since dead hunters refill those.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!

Is the Sticky Bomb/Assassin thing an intentional change or a bug? Sticky Bombs taking out the majority of a boss's health always felt way too convenient since bosses exist to take up your time and give other players time to find you and encourage PVP.

I guess it's slightly better than when he Matrix-punched them and blew you up before?

DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

Dr. Clockwork posted:

Is the Sticky Bomb/Assassin thing an intentional change or a bug? Sticky Bombs taking out the majority of a boss's health always felt way too convenient since bosses exist to take up your time and give other players time to find you and encourage PVP.

I guess it's slightly better than when he Matrix-punched them and blew you up before?

Pretty sure it is a glitch.

Before, his 'movement' phase does damage, and used to set off the stickies immediately - now he just ghosts out from them and leaves them floating in the air.

Yes, stickies are a 'solution' to bosses - takes 2, or one plus some shooting/melee but I view it as a worthwhile investment. Usually you'll only have one, so double-boss is difficult, and they're nigh-useless vs hunters otherwise. The only other enemy stickies are good with are Meatheads, and that's a marginal case say if one is parked on a clue.
That and they tend to pass through bosses in general, at random, especially so the spider.

I just dislike the absolutely broken mechanic it has with Assassin now. Hell, make it official: he turns to bugs so it cant stick to him - right now though it's clearly a glitch.
If it was just a matter of 'it falls to the ground' when he transforms, I'd be in for it. Gives him weaknesses (fire, poison, heart-shots, cleaving melee) and lets you use stickies for the other two bosses.

Rysithusiku
Nov 10, 2013

Witness the assless man and despair!
All futures point to a world of filled holes.

Oh my God who cares if stickies don't kill the assassin? He's by far the easiest boss to just rush down in like 30 seconds with melee.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014




Hell Gem

I usually silent kill bosses anyways.

Rysithusiku
Nov 10, 2013

Witness the assless man and despair!
All futures point to a world of filled holes.

People who bring stickies to kill bosses are the first ones to die in a real fight, because they didn't have actual useful consumables.
God forbid you could grab an axe or hammer off the ground.

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011



Rysithusiku posted:

Oh my God who cares if stickies don't kill the assassin? He's by far the easiest boss to just rush down in like 30 seconds with melee.

is this a troll post? the assassin is by far the most obnoxious and time consuming boss to kill

Rysithusiku
Nov 10, 2013

Witness the assless man and despair!
All futures point to a world of filled holes.

Haha seriously? Grab an axe and just go to fuckin town on it. Use a stam shot if you're feeling frisky. 2 swings pushes him to enrage.. then the wide swing 'light' attack auto kills his clones and you can just keep beating on him while he tries to summon more, which you also kill with a single swipe. You can burn him down in 20-30sec with a stam shot or a partner backing you up.

Varkas
Apr 16, 2003

If I post before 5pm PST, PM my boss and tell him I'm fired.

In my experience it's been a toss up as to whether it's the spider or the assassin that is the most annoying, and sometimes largely depending on RNG and their AI behavior (I think the particular boss building also plays a role).

I've had times where the the Assassin often stays up on the ceiling and doing ranged attacks, but I've also had times where it only comes up close on ground level. I had a kill on it yesterday where it didn't even spawn any clones at all, so it was a pretty fast process.

Also a factor is how many people you want dedicated to boss killing vs. keeping an eye out for other teams. A sticky makes the whole process pretty fast while only requiring one person.

Varkas fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jun 12, 2020

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018




The assassin is bugged too right now where in are the end of his clone phase he will do a standard stab attack but no matter how much damage you do it cannot be interrupted

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011



Varkas posted:

In my experience it's been a toss up as to whether it's the spider or the assassin that is the most annoying, and sometimes largely depending on RNG and their AI behavior (I think the particular boss building also plays a role).

I've had times where the the Assassin often stays up on the ceiling and doing ranged attacks, but I've also had times where it only comes up close on ground level. I had a kill on it yesterday where it didn't even spawn any clones at all, so it was a pretty fast process.

Also a factor is how many people you want dedicated to boss killing vs. keeping an eye out for other teams. A sticky makes the whole process pretty fast while only requiring one person.


It's this

AbsoluteLlama
Aug 15, 2009

By the power vested in me by random musings in tmt... I proclaim you guilty of crustophilia!


Rysithusiku posted:

Haha seriously? Grab an axe and just go to fuckin town on it. Use a stam shot if you're feeling frisky. 2 swings pushes him to enrage.. then the wide swing 'light' attack auto kills his clones and you can just keep beating on him while he tries to summon more, which you also kill with a single swipe. You can burn him down in 20-30sec with a stam shot or a partner backing you up.

This. I pretty much always carry a 10min stam on my hunters. Assassin is easy enough without it, but you can cheese it dead even faster with the stam. It's also useful for PVP since you can chase down people running with the bounty. I often regularly hit the stam when entering into PVP combat, especially with shotguns. It makes a huge difference to not run out of sprint/melee energy.

It really blew me away when I started using it again. I pretty much stopped when they upped the run speed/distance a long time ago. Before that it was a requirement to carry a stamina shot. Now it really lets you cover a surprising amount of distance.

AbsoluteLlama fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jun 13, 2020

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh




this is a fun game, still too scared to play solos tho

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!

sudo rm -rf posted:

this is a fun game, still too scared to play solos tho

Solo can be intimidating, just run some quickplay it will make you better at solo fighting and dying doesn't matter. Games are 15 minutes tops so it doesn't waste too much time.

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DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

sudo rm -rf posted:

this is a fun game, still too scared to play solos tho

Getting away with bullshit plays as a solo because anyone that sees/dies to you assumes you have 2 friends is joyous.

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