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intra-party opposition to right-wing democrat Dan Lipinski is heating upquote:Lipinski has secured critical support from the AFL-CIO but the backing of both SEIU and EMILY’s List — a major force in supporting women who support abortion rights — is likely to boost her resources and ability to get out her message. Lipinski has more than $1.6 million in the bank, compared to Newman’s $236,000. Today, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand is fundraising for Newman in Chicago.
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Shear Modulus posted:Gillibrand supporting the primary challenger is pretty interesting. she's still not my first choice in 2020 but at least she's showing she knows where the winds are blowing get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 02:34 on Feb 12, 2018 |
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Fallen Hamprince posted:I Came My Pants Yelling at Someone On the Internet: A Crowsbeak Story No over the phone. Really feels good when you can silence a neoliberal.
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get that OUT of my face posted:for all the poo poo she gets, gillibrand has been going steadily left since she got to the senate, and she's kicked it into another level after trump got elected. she consponsored Medicare for All and talked about making the minimum wage $15 and legalizing weed up in Buffalo. i'm pretty sure that she also talked about overturning Citizens United but i'm not 100% sure I can respect a politician with no ideals that has an ear to the ground tbh. Its the core DNC types that will never stray from corporate conservatism that are the worst
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Gillibrand has voted the most against trump out of any senator, including Warren and Sanders. If people really think she’s still just going through the motions or whatever because she’s secretly an upstate republican then every stereotype about left wing circular firing squads is true
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Larry Parrish posted:I can respect a politician with no ideals that has an ear to the ground tbh. Its the core DNC types that will never stray from corporate conservatism that are the worst Yeah that's what pragmatism should be all about
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Gillibrand has voted the most against trump out of any senator, including Warren and Sanders. If people really think she’s still just going through the motions or whatever because she’s secretly an upstate republican then every stereotype about left wing circular firing squads is true or maybe people understand that voting the way people want you to is easy when you know your votes don't mean poo poo (like back when republicans constantly voted to overturn obamacare when they knew obama would use his veto) the reason why you want people who agree with you in positions of power is so you don't have to pressure them constantly to behave the way they said they would, so you have someone who will do the right thing even when there aren't hundreds/thousands of their constituents calling their office and bitching
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Gillibrand has voted the most against trump out of any senator, including Warren and Sanders. If people really think she’s still just going through the motions or whatever because she’s secretly an upstate republican then every stereotype about left wing circular firing squads is true lol
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She's in a strong position, but just lol if you trust any Democrat at the moment.
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Lord of Pie posted:actually i don't think she paid as much attention to focus groups this time around wow! black people sure love president bernie! actually, so does everyone, except jon bois but racist, and evergreen clinton campaign intern, who are both white. 
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I could vote Gillibrand, if Bernie doesn't run. Are there any 2020 dems who are even slightly somewhat critical of our global military empire
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It’s not meaningless to vote against something that is going to 100% pass, for the same reason it’s not meaningless to vote against a heavily favored incumbent in a primary. Also, last I checked those republicans voting lockstep against Obama won a huge election a year and a half ago
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Nonsense posted:Dems don't want to vote lockstep against Trump. I don’t pretend for a second that the dems aren’t bad, but if the primary is warren-gillibrand-booker-castro-biden I’m not going to pretend my choice is hard
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I could vote Gillibrand, if Bernie doesn't run. Tulsi
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nah posted:Tulsi being a tankie isn't much better
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Tulsi arrives at good foreign policy positions for bad reasons, which I think is still better than believing in horrific ideas for the “right” reasons.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I could vote Gillibrand, if Bernie doesn't run. bernie
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has gillibrand had any explanation on pulling a total 180 since 11/9 and turning into a steadfast member of the sanders-warren caucus? or for that matter her shift from centrist dem to the left wing over her career? it would mollify a lot of concerns (and seperate her from the clearly craven and cynical moves of booker) if she was able to convincingly say that 11/9 made her recalibrate everything, like it did with basically every dem voter i think the only time someone with cachet called her out on her big ideological shift was when the bad dem crowd yelled at her for being the most forceful at demanding franken resign which was a very good thing for her to do but also so clear-cut the right thing to do she didnt need to talk about her "evolution" on an issue
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Gillibrand has voted the most against trump out of any senator, including Warren and Sanders. If people really think she’s still just going through the motions or whatever because she’s secretly an upstate republican then every stereotype about left wing circular firing squads is true i dont give a gently caress what she thinks as long as she is voting correctly
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Shear Modulus posted:has gillibrand had any explanation on pulling a total 180 since 11/9 and turning into a steadfast member of the sanders-warren caucus? or for that matter her shift from centrist dem to the left wing over her career? it would mollify a lot of concerns (and seperate her from the clearly craven and cynical moves of booker) if she was able to convincingly say that 11/9 made her recalibrate everything, like it did with basically every dem voter it was probably after she got redistricted from rural nowhere to a bunch of liberal towns
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I could vote Gillibrand, if Bernie doesn't run. edit: perfect timing, here's a write-up of Gillibrand's 60 Minutes interview. apparently she was pretty anti-immigrant as well i'd link a piece about how an eighth of Dan Donovan's campaign funding has come from unions, but it's behind a registration wall. the account is free but effort get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 03:19 on Feb 13, 2018 |
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Shear Modulus posted:has gillibrand had any explanation on pulling a total 180 since 11/9 and turning into a steadfast member of the sanders-warren caucus? or for that matter her shift from centrist dem to the left wing over her career? it would mollify a lot of concerns (and seperate her from the clearly craven and cynical moves of booker) if she was able to convincingly say that 11/9 made her recalibrate everything, like it did with basically every dem voter Yeah it was going from being a rep of an R+2ish upstate district to senator of NY, to 2020 candidate
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i signed up for the website that had this article so i can put the text of it right herequote:Unions shore up New York City's lone GOP congressman
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Zoran posted:Tulsi arrives at good foreign policy positions for bad reasons, which I think is still better than believing in horrific ideas for the “right” reasons. She mostly arrives at good positions for good reasons, while incidentally ALSO holding bad opinions that would lead anyone else to bad positions. "American imperialism mostly leaves the world and United States worse off. Also Muslims suck but don't bomb them because of the previous sentence."
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get that OUT of my face posted:i signed up for the website that had this article so i can put the text of it right here whitepeople.txt
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is Tulsi interested in running in 2020 or shown any interest in doing so?Gringostar posted:whitepeople.txt
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the people who make electoral political decisions at the old big unions are often professional administrators with no connection or accountability to the rank and file who will decide to back lovely-but-favored-to-win incumbents for fear of losing access. usually this manifests as backing a hillary over a bernie or this example of the illinois race from a couple days ago but i guess also apparently a republican (wtf?)
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btw if anyone has info on state-level races, particularly on the legislative level, post 'em here. that's where the better candidates will rise up and make more of a difference than young opportunistic go-getters who want to pounce on the first vulnerable congressional seat that comes their wayShear Modulus posted:the people who make electoral political decisions at the old big unions are often professional administrators with no connection or accountability to the rank and file who will decide to back lovely-but-favored-to-win incumbents for fear of losing access. usually this manifests as backing a hillary over a bernie or this example of the illinois race from a couple days ago but i guess also apparently a republican (wtf?)
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Metal Cat posted:Is Ro Khanna just an opportunist? I have read a bit about him after that Intercepted interview, and the issue seems to be that he received some questionable donor money, but he seems to vote/talk in a progressive direction in general. pretty much. he won in 2016 beating a dem incumbent from the left. he had run for the same seat against the same dem incumbent in 2014 and attacked him from the right using ultra republican rhetoric. check out this campaign mailer from 2014  
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i think a lot of newly left-wing democrats are opportunists. that's why we gotta be very careful in 2020, and why i'd go with Warren over the rest of the field bar Bernie (who probably won't be allowed to run as a dem)
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get that OUT of my face posted:i think a lot of newly left-wing democrats are opportunists. that's why we gotta be very careful in 2020, and why i'd go with Warren over the rest of the field bar Bernie (who probably won't be allowed to run as a dem) tbqh, if he chooses to run as an independent in vermont again (which it looks like he intends to do), I wouldn't blame the DCCC or whoever for not allowing him to run as a democrat in the primary. That said, he is absolutely interested in running for president again, so I don't really understand what he's angle is. Even if he somehow managed to get ballot access on the majority of states, I don't think it's possible for anyone to win as a third party in this country, so at best he'd be a spoiler candidate for the dems, which while well and good, I'd much rather him just run for president, for real.
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Shear Modulus posted:the people who make electoral political decisions at the old big unions are often professional administrators with no connection or accountability to the rank and file who will decide to back lovely-but-favored-to-win incumbents for fear of losing access. usually this manifests as backing a hillary over a bernie or this example of the illinois race from a couple days ago but i guess also apparently a republican (wtf?) i don't know the local politics or Donovan this but if the choices for the union are between "republican they can buy and keep on a short leash" and "heritage-funded chud", they're gonna pick the former every time edit: i was a little upset until i read it was staten "we're all cops" island
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Shear Modulus posted:has gillibrand had any explanation on pulling a total 180 since 11/9 and turning into a steadfast member of the sanders-warren caucus? or for that matter her shift from centrist dem to the left wing over her career? it would mollify a lot of concerns (and seperate her from the clearly craven and cynical moves of booker) if she was able to convincingly say that 11/9 made her recalibrate everything, like it did with basically every dem voter here’s a relevant quote from the 60mins interview “I just didn’t take the time to understand why these issues mattered because it wasn’t right in front of me. And that was my fault. It was something that I’m embarrassed about and I’m ashamed of...I just think as I’ve gotten older I’ve learned more about life and sometimes you’re wrong. And you’ve gotta fix it. And if you’re wrong, just admit it and move on.”
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get that OUT of my face posted:i think a lot of newly left-wing democrats are opportunists. that's why we gotta be very careful in 2020, and why i'd go with Warren over the rest of the field bar Bernie (who probably won't be allowed to run as a dem) I think it needs to be reinforced that you're only a left wing democrat if you have actually worked for left wing reforms. Simply voting with a majority of the party doesn't count.
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