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get that OUT of my face posted:It's way too early to say too much about Trump IMO. Third way politics is weakened and losing influence, but it's still very much alive and kicking and has some degree of sway over the Democratic Party. The reactionary march towards the right that started under Reagan would have gone on anyway had Hillary won. The left was already mobilized to a degree in the primary, but it's certainly gone into overdrive under Trump. Under Hillary, the full power of the DNC would have been dedicated to crushing that movement, but as things stand now, I have doubts that a left-wing movement will get as much power this year as we want it to. This is true, which is why I was a bit hesitant to list him. That being said, you could say the same with Reagan and FDR. It would have been only a matter of time before America would have went full throttle with neoliberalism if Carter won reelection. Similarly, with FDR, it also likely would have been a matter of time before the New Deal, or at least tenets of it, would have passed. Remember, FDR was pressured, if not forced, by unions and various organizations to pass both new deals. I more so see the rankings of these presidents as the "tipping points" in US history. get that OUT of my face posted:Trump did bring about a post-Fukuyama neoliberal consensus world in the US, but this is also nothing new in other parts of the world. Populist right-wing surges happened outside of the Anglosphere a couple years before in Poland, Hungary, and Austria. Before that, Italy got the ball rolling with Berlusconi, who is probably the leader most similar to Trump. This is also true. Technically the post-Fukuyama consensus was dead during the 2000s. One part due to the Middle East showing no signs of easing tensions even after the "help" the West gave it, and also due to several populist governments showing up in Eastern Europe and Latin America. Later on, Western Europe began getting a taste of this as well as the United States as well. But the former had it hidden a bit better due to the ironclad two party system. Trump's victory was merely a signal that the populist wave has finally reached American shores. But being honest, you can say the same about FDR as the New Deal tenets and even getting off the gold standard were things some European countries had already undergone. History truly is global, but I'm just going by it from an American perspective. get that OUT of my face posted:After 2018, the picture might be more clear. Absolutely. There is a lot riding on 2018. Yes, organizations like the DSA have grown significantly last year, but just how many of those members will stay, and how many of those members will be willing to put in work remains to be seen. If organizations such as the DSA are very active from 2018 and on, and manage to change much of the fabric of politics, then Trump would be used as a good tipping point. Ditto if the alt-right manages to hold on and build on their results. However, if things are back to business as usual with centrists leading the way, then Trump will essentially be the red flag, which signals that poo poo will hit the fan, only just quite a bit down the line. Zas posted:you're thinking of osama bin laden While it is true that 9/11 did a lot to damage Fukuyama's outlandish claim, many people, particularly the "educated elite", merely saw the bungles in the Middle East as sheer growing pains. They believed as a whole the world was getting better and moving toward a pure open market and republic based democratic society. That large competing political ideologies such as Marxism or major powers butting heads with each other would soon be a thing of the past once a few obvious examples cool down. For reference I never believed in any of this for a second but there were large amounts of people who did. Hence why after Trump's victory so many people were in disbelief that such a thing could even occur. punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 23:50 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 23:38
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1. bill harrison, for being the ideal all presidents should strive towards 2-5. some other guys
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Donald Trump 340 lb. William Howard Taft 332 lb. Grover Cleveland 275 lb. William McKinley 233 lb. Zachary Taylor 230 lb. Theodore Roosevelt 237 lb. Chester A. Arthur 238 lb. Bill Clinton 234 lb. Herbert Hoover 220 lb. John Quincy Adams 203 lb. James Buchanan 217 lb.
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Jan 7, 2018 03:20
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en dot wikipedia dot org slash List_Of_US_Presidents_By_Cock_Length
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rank them by body count imo
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1982 Subaru Brat posted:en dot wikipedia dot org slash List_Of_US_Presidents_By_Cock_Length wow good job *checks list* Coolidge?
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logikv9 posted:wow good job *checks list* Coolidge? Finding his love letters was honestly one of the funniest things I saw in a long time.
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Lawman 0 posted:Finding his love letters was honestly one of the funniest things I saw in a long time. that was Harding, who called his schwangus "Jerry"
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Apes-Ma posted:that was Harding, who called his schwangus "Jerry" 
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Why is Reagan in so many lists? He had Alzheimer's while he was president and nobody noticed. Crazy Americans! No wonder you all voted Trump.
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MrOzzy posted:Why is Reagan in so many lists? He had Alzheimer's while he was president and nobody noticed. Godzilla is very influential when he stomps Tokyo to dust, my friend.
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lol @ anyone who can't admit that GWB, who defined international relations for decades to come and re-established domestic surveillance, IS important
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MrOzzy posted:Why is Reagan in so many lists? He had Alzheimer's while he was president and nobody noticed. Mental state doesn't factor into that, though. Reagan is important because he was the beginning of the right wing counter-movement to FDR's New Deal policies. Trump and both Bushes are just continuing what he started. As an aside: I hate hearing people say that Reagan's policies as president would have made him a Democrat today. That's not the point. He was as far to the right as the contemporary political environment allowed him to be, and he paved the way for the political system to keep moving in that direction. Gazpacho posted:lol @ anyone who can't admit that GWB, who defined international relations for decades to come and re-established domestic surveillance, isn't important That said, he did do all those things, plus he brought about the current state of cynicism that Americans are in to this day.
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I think W might be on that list in a generation or so. When we really find out how devastating the Iraq War to the Middle East.
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Didn't Woodrow Wilson significantly expand government power (in a relative way) more than any other president during the 20th century? I know anti-government types hate his guts.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Didn't Woodrow Wilson significantly expand government power (in a relative way) more than any other president during the 20th century? I know anti-government types hate his guts.
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wilson is hated for federal reserve + proto un, but that's mostly based on right wing brain diseases, i don't think there's much of a class case for him
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Who was the president who tried to lock up all the suspected socialists in a sports stadium? I heard about them on Hardcore History some time ago.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Who was the president who tried to lock up all the suspected socialists in a sports stadium? I heard about them on Hardcore History some time ago. augusto pinochet
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also it was an execution ground, not a holding area
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Frijolero posted:I think W might be on that list in a generation or so. When we really find out how devastating the Iraq War to the Middle East. He's easily the worst two-termer
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Lawman 0 posted:He's easily the worst two-termer Grant's a very strong contender here Theodore Roosevelt also made the senate elected, which means America is nominally a democracy now thanks to him
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punk rebel ecks posted:Who was the president who tried to lock up all the suspected socialists in a sports stadium? I heard about them on Hardcore History some time ago. He didn't try, he did. He murdered thousands of people, including guitarist VictorJara (who made beautiful music btw). Wikipedia posted:After the coup, Pinochet’s soldiers rounded up Chileans who were believed to be involved with leftist groups, including Allende’s Popular Unity party. On the morning of 12 September 1973, Jara was taken prisoner, along with thousands of others, and interned in Chile Stadium. The guards there tortured him, smashing his hands and fingers, and then mocked him by asking him to play the guitar. Soon after, he was killed with a gunshot to the head, and his body was riddled with more than 40 bullets.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Didn't Woodrow Wilson significantly expand government power (in a relative way) more than any other president during the 20th century? I know anti-government types hate his guts. he was the first 20th century president to use mass deportations, created the espionage act that is currently being used against reality winner, and invaded russia without a declaration of war from congress. he also created a centralized censorship board for the media, the CPI. his authoritarian urges led suffragettes to protest outside the white house, with the sign "Kaiser Wilson." he then arrested them. i would put him somewhere in the top 5 influential presidents of the 20th century, just because he greatly contributed to the imperial presidency and his ideas of spreading democracy around the world by force have been greatly influential.
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1. George "W" Bush 2. Richard "Richard" Nixman 3. Barrak "Rocky" Ubama 4. Calvin Coolidge 5. Dwight The Blight Eisenhauer
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FactsAreUseless posted:1. George "W" Bush lol Coolidge The libertarians love him because he was all "free market!" and "do nothing!" Oh, I see your point
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Warren G. Harding was the least influential president... ...until Bush and Trump brought back gilded age corruption
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punk rebel ecks posted:Similarly, with FDR, it also likely would have been a matter of time before the New Deal, or at least tenets of it, would have passed. Remember, FDR was pressured, if not forced, by unions and various organizations to pass both new deals. Isn't this the cart before the horse, tho My understanding was that unions could gain power because FDR changed the laws to allow them to strike effectively
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What made Teddy Roosevelt so remarkable?GoluboiOgon posted:he was the first 20th century president to use mass deportations, created the espionage act that is currently being used against reality winner, and invaded russia without a declaration of war from congress. he also created a centralized censorship board for the media, the CPI. Sounds like the 20th century version of W.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Isn't this the cart before the horse, tho FDR himself was really a consequence of the progressive era which was effectively the setup for the new deal, and unions was a big player in early 1900s progressive politics Also, I really think the creation of the federal reserve under Wilson was one of the single most consequential decisions not just for the US but the global economy from the early 1900s all the way to today I also think from end of Reagan to today the only really consequential president was GWB because of Iraq Typo has issued a correction as of 22:02 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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GoluboiOgon posted:he was the first 20th century president to use mass deportations, created the espionage act that is currently being used against reality winner, and invaded russia without a declaration of war from congress. he also created a centralized censorship board for the media, the CPI.
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get that OUT of my face posted:he was also insanely racist, even for his time. for one, he singlehandedly killed the racial equality aspect of the league of nations charter the democrats were economically progressive but half of their voting base were racist southerners (wilson was Virginian) the other half were immigrants in northern cities which the racists hated because the irish
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Typo posted:the democrats were economically progressive but half of their voting base were racist southerners (wilson was Virginian) also Wilson was a racist southerner, but he's also the only president to go to the white house from New Jersey. thanks, Princeton University
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Nebakenezzer posted:lol Coolidge I think it's mainly because he wants to be a special snowflake and considers modern day libertarian figureheads too mainstream
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punk rebel ecks posted:What made Teddy Roosevelt so remarkable? I wouldn't call him remarkable, but he was the founding president of the Progressive Era,(Essentially America's leftwing height that ended with WW1 and the first red scare) and the Roosevelt political dynasty which led to FDR and all that New Deal stuff. Probably the best thing he personally did was create the National Park system which is only now being slowly dismantled, 100 years after it's creation. He was also the namesake of the Teddy Bear, due to his naturalist leanings. Which is a cute fun fact! 
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John Adam's, the fat little goblin literally called "His Rotundity" by the other Founding Fathers, is the most influential president of all time imo
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Dreddout posted:I wouldn't call him remarkable, but he was the founding president of the Progressive Era,(Essentially America's leftwing height that ended with WW1 and the first red scare) and the Roosevelt political dynasty which led to FDR and all that New Deal stuff.
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Dreddout posted:I wouldn't call him remarkable, but he was the founding president of the Progressive Era,(Essentially America's leftwing height that ended with WW1 and the first red scare) and the Roosevelt political dynasty which led to FDR and all that New Deal stuff. From what I understand TR's progrevism has being greatly overstated the dude believed in social Darwinism and that applied to corporations, he basically believed that huge mega-corps were inevitable and that the president should basically be strongman "America's CEO" and just direct megacorps to do the bidding of american national interest
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