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Hodgepodge
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Carpool with Mark on a snow day. It'll be easy to make it look like an accident.

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Teal posted:

The tragedy of the radical left is that the emotional baseline of regular leftists isn't to want others dead.

Killing people is bad so as a socialist you have to construct a pretty complex justification for why someone deserves to die, which may hold up fine when shitposting on some gay dead forum, but doesn't offer itself well to driving you to a (probably suicidal) murder. Even as you push the socialist thought to absolute extreme the only remaining justification is "wellbeing of the many comes before wellbeing of the few" and that's pretty hard to act on when you aren't even sure bombing the fuckers would be helpful in the first place.

Meanwhile the more radical right thought gets the less reason to not murder people there is; the weak deserve it, you're always doing the society a favor by removing whoever you deem unworthy even if simply because some able to kill removing someone unable to defend themselves means the strong defeated the weak, which is always good.

To be able to murder in volume, the left waits for people like Stalin and Beria who're outright ill and insane and happy to internally justify the need to kill through paranoia or basic sadism.

Meanwhile on the right, people like Breivik need to be only a little deranged to convince themselves that murdering kids en masse is the right thing to do, because the kids are already lost to ideological rot and you're essentially doing them a favor by putting them down.

it will take wholescale generational change and things getting so bad we're willing to risk death to make things better

then, like the fremen from Dune, we will painstakingly collect water so that one day the catastrophic environmental damage to earth might be repaired

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these lacrosse players are clearly ot as lacrosse teams evidently serve as natural preserves for awesome names

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Tubgoat posted:

It's not the doctors making these bad decisions or profitting from them, it's whatever loving private company, which, to my mind, is infinitely worse.

Based on the evidence of Oxycontin and several preceding crises, there are plenty of doctors who will kill patients for profit once the system assures them that it's okay to do so.

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skooma512 posted:

America is less the land of opportunity, and more the land of perceptions.

We want you to perceive that prices are low, so we hide the tax till the end and make you tip servers. The sticker price is low though!

We want you to perceive that college is solely about merit, only the best and brightest go to the top universities. Even though everyone suspects this is not really the case, that it's really just class proofing and it's generally only the rich and well connected at these schools, they're still shocked when the truth comes out. Prestigious schools are kind of a potemkin meritocracy. They went to the good school, so they must be qualified to lead us and hoard all the money. It's more of a class signifier than anything else, that's why they say college is about "connections" and not knowledge.

It should be more widely realized that "meritocracy" is simply a euphemism for aristocracy, "from Greek aristokratia "government or rule of the best; an aristocracy," from aristos "best of its kind, noblest, bravest, most virtuous" (see aristo-) + abstract noun from kratos "rule, power" (see -cracy)."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/aristocracy

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T-man posted:

any situation where we don't have enough people on board to literally just ignore the rich in their bunkers and take/use/distribute the means of production they'll just mow us down and go back to business as usual

people have leftist revolutions, had leftist revolutions, will probably continue to try to have them, but the enemy is global, well organized, and willing to do anything -- and they have a volunteer army of magabombers, bootlickers, and other true believers

the guillotine must be in your heart, your assumptions and understandings about the world, and be a part of your very nonexistent soul if you want to really get away from the tendrils of capitalist indoctrination

they just need to wait out the game, we need to get like 90% of the board without tipping them off, playing from last place with a team that's probably 50% plants and 150% in love with arguing

also at least 15% rich kids who are there to be the leaders of the revolution because it needs leaders poor people don't know how to do that

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its gonna suck building fully automated luxury gay space communism with nothing left to eat but algae wafer, roast cockroach, and the odd rat, but at least we'll finally have hope

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just give them some fuckin candy, either their patents will monitor their intake and they'll have a time of a little extra indulgence, or they won't and you giving them something they won't even eat will not help or bring them any happiness

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

Jesus, this temperature garbage has spread to another thread. Kindly knock it off.

at the heat death of the forums, temperature scale choice arguments have diffused evenly across all threads, preventing any form of discussion

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gradenko_2000 posted:

I don't believe that there are rural areas so spread out that couldn't be solved by a determined-enough mass transit network.

I mean, we have the infrastructure in place for the most part. Some cars and trucks as personal property of rural residents might prove an efficient system, whereas urban residents might have access to public vehicles available for free loan for short-term trips that require equipment transport like sports teams, bands, etc.

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last page had a lot of hilariously top-down poo poo that was essentially just reactionary torture fantasies

but it's not really surprising that our ideologies break down into incoherence at the point where we lose any actual hope for a revolutionary praxis

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T-man posted:

are you really claiming "maybe a global supply chain will be unsustainable" is the same as "trans people eat bark for hormones"

it's like talking to toddlers with phds in misreading people

i dunno, you did seem to think global economics is subject to heat death, which is not a concept that applies to systems subject to external input from, say, a star nearby enough to sustain life

however it is really common for people not to understand that most actual thermodynamic systems are non-equilibrium and that most pop science understandings about things like entropy do not apply to most natural systems

yes this is less a reply and more an excuse to point this out

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-equilibrium_thermodynamics

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CharlestheHammer posted:

what is with this weird torture thing people keep bringing up. I havent seen it so is it some kind of weird projection

it's posting op

okay really it's just the same thing as with most right-wing politics where the nominal goals of a policy are just a smokescreen for the actual intended result, which is suffering

the guilotine was designed to reduce suffering, even of it's intended "victims."

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CharlestheHammer posted:

why do you want to see people suffer

i can't stop posting i've tried im so sorry

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T-man posted:

nerd


never stop posting it's the only way to socialism

marx, immortal, aboard the mothership of the space comrades: yes, it can be done, but we need them to post more

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dex_sda posted:

I don't dispute that, but so is dating outside of them, and that's something that feels rare in hollywood

Something that you have no personal experience with "feeling" one way or the other is 100% an artifact of media representation, and not recognizing this will make the resulting opinions stupid, and not just a little. It's the road to being a total idiot, a complete moron.

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dex_sda posted:

They're still practical and utilitarian, don't let the brainwormed bougie people buying watches for 500/1000/10000 bucks poison that idea

like they might come in handy if you're ever anywhere where you might not have access to a charger for a long period of time

i know that this will never be read by anyone for who that is any less alien an environment than the very depths of the antarctic ocean, but such people yet exist

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T-man posted:

just send me several handfuls of cash with a blue background, you might need to sell a few organs to afford it

i will spend it on many handfuls of ounces of weed.

well it is for a good cause

wait is there a way we can frame this that will make corporations think that donating to it will make them look good?

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GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/1230432908030218240?s=21


there was a time I would have laughed at this but now I’m just broken

lol it's just a straight up an excuse for trust fund kids partying through their degrees

the good news is that if overthrowing the system is the outcome they want, i have better suggestions

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Those schools exist exactly for those failsons

nah, they also exist to train labour for their future use

the video was sort of right in that it frames occupying a higher position in the system that is inaccessable to the valedictorian as being outside the system and ruthless expansion of the power of positions only open to those born into wealth as overthrowing it

they are outside the system that is presented to everyone else and they are overthrowing that system because they don't really like pretending we're their equals

Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 16:50 on Feb 23, 2020

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as poo poo as the tech crowd can be, socialism has generally been more successful when it tried to build solidarity amoung workers instead of gleefully generating cutting-edge reactionary propaganda without even getting a paycheck from capital for it

it's kind of sad to see people ditch most of neoliberalism but not their own hatred of the working class

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

The thing is about politics is that it was never about how 'smart' you are, it's about whether they appeal to you and appear to have something to offer

Liberals have completely forgotten this and are now completely blindsided by how all the young kids hate them and want Bernie because they've spend decades offering literally nothing but empty platitudes and can barely even be arsed making empty promises

Also the billionaires are terrified even of the one smart enough to try making empty promises.

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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

there's absolutely a middle class still, it's just that everything's backslid so much that this now seems unattainable to so many

middle class is owning a home large enough to comfortably have a family in, probably even housing at least one grandparent, and being able to afford a yearly vacation. ofc adequate healthcare is assumed for this household, as is food security

thanks for the arbitrary definition of middle class, that's what keeps the myth rolling

the middle class was people who owned property but weren't nobility, so technically the middle class is any homeowner, but there are mechanisms in place to drain their wealth into an entirely separate group of people who are just owners of capital who may or may not also be formal nobility and so are also often technically middle-class

it's a term which represented a meaningful distinction in early capitalism and has since been used as meaningless propaganda for a solid hundred years

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an amusing concept, to be sure, but not so amusing when their little workshops in the city are suddenly large factories that bring in more income than your vast estate and they want to make decisions about whether your head stays attached to the rest of you

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Koishi Komeiji posted:

https://twitter.com/scttdvd/status/1232447346769661952
"Houses are like living breathing things and need compassion in the form of repairs. Also, this does not apply to humans."

[Bug Report] - I'm trying to create a civilization where the value of life is extended beyond life itself by analogy, leading to a great respect for the conditions that allow each thing to exist in a given form. However, the elite keeps treating people of lower social status as less than objects.

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exmachina posted:

Uhh the properties class were generally royalists, parliamentarians usually made money in trade i.e. smuggling

As I recall, you basically had to own some sort of property to be a parliamentarian in the first place (or more to the point, to vote in their elections). Even to be considered worth mentioning required a small freehold, for example in the Magna Carta basic rights are extended to freeholders as well as the barons who were trying to force the king to acknowledge the rights of anyone but the crown.

e: looking it up, it was messy, but in the countryside you needed property worth at least 40 shillings to vote, whereas in boroughs it varied a lot, with some allowing all freemen to vote bit most having some sort of further qualification.

Of course, this all evolved from the origins of parliament as a council of advisors to the King who were mainly relatives thereof.

The expansion of the franchise was largely motivated by the crown's need to legitimize taxation until much more recently, so the fundamental purpose of the institution was linked to having something to tax in the first place. Even the Magna Carta (which wasn't very clearly ever in real effect) was the result of a scuffle over taxation of the barons by the crown. There are bits about justice because that was being used as a means of extracting money in return for paying attention to pending cases.

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at this point, bitcoin is sort of a memetic virus that feeds off of processing power

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i mean, the bomb collar only works until one of them gets you in a chokehold

even if it's keyed to your vitals or something, i mean, otherwise it lasts until one of them shoots you in the back

e: lol, i bet the pinkertons supply guards whose loyalty to a central organization totally won't be used to seize your assets after they shoot you and dump you in a ditch

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i mean, i was that jaded by the end of highschool, but i also found highschool easier than earlier grades for complicated reasons

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Warmachine posted:

I can take solace in the fact that these fuckers will starve to death with a can of tuna in their hands should they ever manage to drive the world into the ground.

if the internet manages to stay up, we'll be in for an interesting time as they attempt to convince themselves and everyone else that breathertarians were onto something

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you imagine that we will have a choice, but i imagine that the earth mother will at long last awaken and make her will known to us

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force the dauphin islanders to live on the island year round

give other endangered locals housing in their off-island properties

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chaleski posted:

Ayn Rand called anyone who used social programs a parasite and she herself used Social Security and Medicare late in life, so she wasn't entirely wrong

i kind of respect her for treating the rich cultists who worshipped her for telling them what they wanted to hear like poo poo, tbh

definitely a group of people who deserve each other

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World War Mammories posted:

there's a nerd-rear end joke about the numidium in here somewhere

after the revolution, we had all these tonal chainsaws the dwemer provided...

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Cup Runneth Over posted:

My stance imho

We could use more of his kind of class traitor

one marxist historian i read (can't find the name at the moment) referred to these sorts as "social cranks" and they have a sort of established history in these sort of moments i guess?

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Cup Runneth Over posted:

I fail to see how abandoning your class for another is not the very definition of a betrayal but you do you man, I'm not gonna stop you from guillotining anyone who's ever had a net worth over a billion

he's about to die and is using his wealth as a final means of influencing the world

he never gave up anything when it would cost him poo poo

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just shoot it down with a missile or laser and call that guillotine

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Flesh Forge posted:

this is known as "pulling the ladder up behind you" and it's terrible

uh, no, it isn't either of those things

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Flesh Forge posted:

lol I also come from a computer toucher background and yes, that's exactly what it is. you might justify it as doing what you have to to survive in america but it's not something to be proud of at all.

you should feel bad about... not maximizing your employers ability to exploit yourself and others as efficiently as possible? not making yourself as disposable and replaceable as you can?

is this a thing where you were referring to an entirely different post than the one i thought you were?

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Flesh Forge posted:

for any of you that have never worked in corporate american IT (and probably a lot of the rest of the world too idk) there are literally ARMIES of IT people in big companies who reach a certain level of responsibility and then pull the ladder up behind them so no one else can follow. they're also called "empire builders" and again, I guess you can justify this kind of thing to yourself as doing what you have to to survive, but it's at the expense of your fellow workers, you are definitely not ~sticking it to the company~. if they want you gone bad enough, they bring in a company like Accenture whose entire loving business model is this thing of empire building, and simply replace whatever process you carefully crafted with something newer and more expensive.

those armies of relatively well paid people would be fired and replaced with someone paid less (or just no one in the situation at hand) the moment they did what you think they are obligated to. the surplus would go to capital, not to other workers.

your entire argument seems to be just the argument that strikers are selfish and bad for trying to stop scabs from replacing them when they strike, for opposing their job being outsourced, etc, contextualized to suit the needs of your bosses at the moment

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