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Who is Winning The Super Bowl? This poll is closed. |
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| Philadelphia Eagles |
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19 | 5.81% |
| Minnesota Vikings |
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73 | 22.32% |
| New Orleans Saints |
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31 | 9.48% |
| Atlanta Falcons |
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11 | 3.36% |
| New England Patriots |
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78 | 23.85% |
| Pittsburgh Steelers |
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23 | 7.03% |
| Jacksonville Jaguars |
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35 | 10.70% |
| Tennessee Titans |
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17 | 5.20% |
| My team didn't make it/I'm protesting the NFL |
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40 | 12.23% |
| Total: | 327 votes | ||
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Jonathan Fisk posted:what assumption? That an accusation doesn't necessitate actual occurrence? The assumption the accuser is lying. For some reason we can't assume Dawkins is lying but you don't hold the same assumption the other way. I mean we both know why but still.
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CharlestheHammer posted:The assumption the accuser is lying. you can absolutely assume Dawkins is lying as part of intentional suppression tactics, if you like. I don't assume Ngakoue is lying. But weighing his claim with zero corroboration from any other player on the field against Dawkins' explicit rejection as a third party I'm inclined to lean toward believing the latter as truthful at this time. It wouldn't surprise me if Incognito is back to his old tricks and Dawkins didn't hear him, but I'm not so entrenched in the idea that must be the case that I'm constructing a network of suppression where Dawkins sells off his integrity to be a cog in the Bills Propaganda Machine, which is what started this whole back and forth The issue we're discussing isn't whether Incognito is a racist (he is), or whether he actually said anything today (he may have). It's whether Dion Dawkins is a foul liar because he disagreed about the bad man t a s t e fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 09:53
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Gonz posted:All my life, i’ve just always assumed the Lions will find a way to gently caress things up for themselves. I like to imagine in a scenario where it's inside the final 90 seconds of the Superbowl, the Lions are winning by six, the opposition has no time outs so all the Lions have to do is kneel down three times except they botch the final snap which the opposition runs in for a touchdown
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Jan 8, 2018 10:02
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Jonathan Fisk posted:you can absolutely assume Dawkins is lying as part of intentional suppression tactics, if you like. You can't do that. If you are taking an all or nothing approach then one of them is lying. You can't keep pretending you aren't implying the accuser is lying,
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Jan 8, 2018 10:22
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Vikings are going to exercise their demons beating the Saints and Falcons on their way to the Bowl. Then they'll find a new and somehow even more heartbreaking way to collapse and lose to Blake Bortles in their home stadium. 
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Jan 8, 2018 10:22
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CharlestheHammer posted:You can't do that. Not so. It is possible that the two are simultaneously telling the truth. I don't personally believe that to be the case, but only because there's no supplementary evidence at this point for one of the claims (and until there is any actual evidence or corroboration, I'm not inclined to treat it as true, or even untrue!). What I'm debating is whether Dawkins is part of a concerted effort on the part of the Bills to orchestrate a defense of Incognito, which is something only raised here by a poster. e: If you equate "not yet accepting as true" with "rejecting as false," that's certainly your right, but I do not. t a s t e fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 10:28
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Not so. It is possible that the two are simultaneously telling the truth. I don't personally believe that to be the case, but only because there's no supplementary evidence at this point for one of the claims (and until there is any actual evidence or corroboration, I'm not inclined to treat it as true, or even untrue!). Yes I equate the two as they are the same thing. At least you have stopped pretending and are just outright calling him a liar.
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Jan 8, 2018 10:35
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Incorrect. Ngakoue may have lied, true. He also may not have. Similarly, this is the case for Dawkins. e: One approaches this issue while recognizing these positions as simultaneously accurate, and in the face of limited evidence ought to try to reserve judgment. One cannot be expected to have no position, however, and instead must consider their opinion in the light of the limited evidence available. Indeed, the possibility of one being a liar does not make one a liar t a s t e fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 10:41
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Incorrect. Ngakoue may have lied, true. He also may not have. Similarly, this is the case for Dawkins.
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Jan 8, 2018 10:48
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if i actually had any talent, I'd have uncovered the Billuminati at work
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Jan 8, 2018 10:49
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LiquidFriend posted:You're doing a top notch job. A regular ol' sleuth. Look man, it's obvious that there is no evidence a man with a history of bigotry did this just eyewitness testimony which which is worthless. Meanwhile we have eye witness testimony from his teammate saint Dawkins which is pretty huge.
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Jan 8, 2018 10:54
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It is more likely that the Buffalo Bills Media Machine forced quisling Dion Dawkins to swallow any pride or integrity he has to defend his racist teammate than said self-hater told the truth
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Jan 8, 2018 10:58
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with this attitude toward projecting recidivism it's no wonder trump won the election
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Jan 8, 2018 11:00
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It also should be mention we have no evidence Dawkins was actually around Richie, particularly during the incident itself. that is actually pure conjecture on JFs part. But all he cares about is the evidence you see.
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Jan 8, 2018 11:02
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CharlestheHammer posted:It also should be mention we have no evidence Dawkins was actually around Richie, particularly during the incident itself. that is actually pure conjecture on JFs part. you'll note he has both a season-long history of being by Incognito's side and direct video evidence proving it on countless occasions. Further, to dismiss circumstantial evidence in the form of Dawkins' own direct relevant testimony is tantamount to dehumanizing him Par for the course if you think he's just a cog in Big Pegula's fracking/propaganda scheme
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Jan 8, 2018 11:05
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Jonathan Fisk posted:you'll note he has both a season-long history of being by Incognito's side and direct video evidence proving it on countless occasions. Further, to dismiss circumstantial evidence in the form of Dawkins' own direct relevant testimony is tantamount to dehumanizing him Ah so know there is video evidence of the incident? This is news to me. Post it then.
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Jan 8, 2018 11:07
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I like to imagine in a scenario where it's inside the final 90 seconds of the Superbowl, the Lions are winning by six, the opposition has no time outs so all the Lions have to do is kneel down three times except they botch the final snap which the opposition runs in for a touchdown See, the problem with this is that it's assuming the Lions could even make it to a Superbowl.
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Jan 8, 2018 11:09
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Acebuckeye13 posted:See, the problem with this is that it's assuming the Lions could even make it to a Superbowl. Forget winning the Super Bowl. If the Lions won the NFC, i'd require hospitalization.
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Jan 8, 2018 11:10
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CharlestheHammer posted:Ah so know there is video evidence of the incident? This is news to me. I scraped and scraped for it, but sadly, it seems that the very existence of such an incident is unsupportable! Another nail in the coffin of Dishonest Dion
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Jan 8, 2018 11:10
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i wasn't really expecting this kind of meltdown after this weekends games, tbh
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Jan 8, 2018 11:11
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Alaois posted:i wasn't really expecting this kind of meltdown after this weekends games, tbh some people can't help but build conspiracy theories to fill voids, op. It's unfair to criticize them for that shitposting about people seriously arguing for the existence of the protocols of the elders of buffalo doesn't exactly demand the emotional investment you seem to think t a s t e fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 11:12
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Jan 8, 2018 11:49
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Every team that defied the will of the Dark One and beat the Patriots in the regular season lost this weekend. Deus Vult.
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Jan 8, 2018 11:53
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Jonathan Fisk posted:some people can't help but build conspiracy theories to fill voids, op. It's unfair to criticize them for that He meant that you're melting down, and after reading the last two pages I understand why. Shh. GaussianCopula posted:Every team that defied the will of the Dark One and beat the Patriots in the regular season lost this weekend. I wonder what you're going to do when Brady retires and the Pats end up having no QB backup plan. Will you tone down this stuff? Disappear? Retool to another gimmick? My money is on #2, but I guess only time will tell.
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Jan 8, 2018 12:38
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Shangri-Law School posted:Their defensive line is good, their linebackers are good, and they have the second-best cornerback and second-best safety in the NFC North. They can make Brady's night difficult. bro, i will fight you bro
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Jan 8, 2018 12:47
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Rhodes is better than Slay too
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Jan 8, 2018 13:23
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Ugh it's the Patriots winning again. Only hope is that their internal strife causes a cosmic level backlash costing them a game they should have won.
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Jan 8, 2018 13:45
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All I want is our traditional NFCCG loss. I think we match up well against the Falcons. Come on defense...
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Jan 8, 2018 14:10
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Do people really see the Vikes as having a shot at going all the way? How often does a team win the superbowl with an non-great QB? Once every 10-20 years? I see it as Pats>Pitts>NO>ATL>Vikes>Eagles>Garbage remaining
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Jan 8, 2018 14:17
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axeil posted:All I want is our traditional NFCCG loss. Eagles will be in the SB. They will wet fart there, unfortunately.
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Jan 8, 2018 14:20
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zapplez posted:Do people really see the Vikes as having a shot at going all the way? How often does a team win the superbowl with an non-great QB? Once every 10-20 years? I see it as Pats>Pitts>NO>ATL>Vikes>Eagles>Garbage remaining Just in the last 20 years, and using a broad definition of "great QB" that includes Roethlisberger and Wilson, you'd have: Dilfer Johnson Eli Eli again and Peyton's dessicated corpse So that's 5 out of 20, 25%. It's a long way from impossible. That's counting Flacco as "great" for playing like Joe Montana for a month in the greatest contract push ever and then immediately returning to mediocrity forever. Keenum's at least played great for 4 months but YMMV. The Vikings won't reach much less win the Super Bowl because they're the Vikings and their entire shtick is kicking their fans in the balls with a steel toed boot, but aside from that there's no reason they couldn't.
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Jan 8, 2018 14:27
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zapplez posted:Do people really see the Vikes as having a shot at going all the way? How often does a team win the superbowl with an non-great QB? Once every 10-20 years? I see it as Pats>Pitts>NO>ATL>Vikes>Eagles>Garbage remaining I see every team remaining having a chance. Yes, even Erotic Smashmouth.
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Jan 8, 2018 14:27
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Not including Russ and Ben in a list of great QBs is kinda nuts. they both do the same thing in different ways-extend plays way further than they should be able to and make deep throws out of that. Their yards per attempt, even adjusted for ints or sacks, are great
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Jan 8, 2018 14:41
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Diqnol posted:Eagles will be in the SB. They will wet fart there, unfortunately. I would be really surprised if a Wentzless Eagles beat the Falcons and the Saints/Vikings
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Jan 8, 2018 14:42
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Diqnol posted:Eagles will be in the SB. They will wet fart there, unfortunately. I don't know. I honestly think Atlanta will beat them this week.
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Jan 8, 2018 14:42
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Eric the Mauve posted:Just in the last 20 years, and using a broad definition of "great QB" that includes Roethlisberger and Wilson, you'd have: Although there was a lot of luck involved in Eli's wins, you cant really say he didnt play great in those games. He beat the 16-0 Pats ffs. Peyton is arguable the 1st or 2nd best QB of the modern era even if he was garbage during his 2015 win. So its more like Dilfer/Johnson and Peyton 2015 was flukey.
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Jan 8, 2018 14:45
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zapplez posted:Although there was a lot of luck involved in Eli's wins, you cant really say he didnt play great in those games. He beat the 16-0 Pats ffs. Peyton is arguable the 1st or 2nd best QB of the modern era even if he was garbage during his 2015 win. So its more like Dilfer/Johnson and Peyton 2015 was flukey. I don't think you get to do it this way. If Eli was great in those wins and therefore great then you count Roethlisberger as loving putrid during his first SB win. And Brady as decidedly mediocre in his first.
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Jan 8, 2018 14:48
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Please don't ever quote Jonathan Fisk posts again, thanks in advance
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Jan 8, 2018 15:11
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Shangri-Law School posted:Their defensive line is good, their linebackers are good, and they have the second-best cornerback and second-best safety in the NFC North. They can make Brady's night difficult. I mean, hes done well but its weird that you consider Sendejo the second best Saftey in the NFC North. I mean, cause clearly Harrison Smith is the best saftey in the NFC North considering he was statistically one of the best safteys in NFL history this year.... Opposing QBs would have had a better rating if they threw the ball into the ground that if they threw the ball at Smith. Pash fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 15:52
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Grittybeard posted:I don't think you get to do it this way. If Eli was great in those wins and therefore great then you count Roethlisberger as loving putrid during his first SB win. And Brady as decidedly mediocre in his first. Ben played terribly in his first Super Bowl, but was lights out before and (more or less) since. It's dumb to point to one game as an indicator of his overall performance (same with Brady obviously), and it's crazy to not think to include him in a list of "great QBs" of the past decade.
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