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When people ask my salary I just give a number at least 25% higher but like say "I'm willing to negotiate down if the job is what I'm really hoping for" if they get iffy about it. It usually is enough to get past the first phone screen at least.
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qhat posted:When people ask my salary I just give a number at least 25% higher but like say "I'm willing to negotiate down if the job is what I'm really hoping for" if they get iffy about it. It usually is enough to get past the first phone screen at least. that behavior has a terrible anchoring effect because it is entered into the applicant management system you have probably been hamstringing your negotiations every time you did this
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that behavior has a terrible anchoring effect because it is entered into the applicant management system Perhaps, but job hunting in Vancouver is not the six figure paradise that it is just south of the border. It's pretty much impossible to escape that question.
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So what happens if you like your job but they give you a pay bump after a while that seems low
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Nov 1, 2018 08:10
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Respectfully decline and discuss what you've researched your market value to be. Give a counteroffer.
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Nov 1, 2018 09:41
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CPColin posted:Reminder that in California, potential employers are no longer even allowed to ask about your prior salary! I bet that one is still filtering through HR handbooks. nyc too now
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Nov 1, 2018 12:25
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What's that silly technical interview-esque examples site? I want to do something interesting in C and I just strugglebus'd my way through fizzbuzz, so I apparently need more boring practice.
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Nov 1, 2018 13:43
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codewars?
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hackerrank is actually pretty good
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qhat posted:Perhaps, but job hunting in Vancouver is not the six figure paradise that it is just south of the border. It's pretty much impossible to escape that question. weaseling of out of that single question is 90% of the trick in salary negotiation don’t be afraid to make it uncomfortable. the folks doing the asking are trained to use social cues to extract information applicants would rather not share. make it awkward. let silence hang in the air if you gotta worst comes to worst, a straight up refusal is an option
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this is a short, easy read for people who are not professional negotiators, and reallly only negotiate one type of monetary transaction ever https://www.amazon.com/Negotiating-Your-Salary-Make-Minute/dp/0931213207/ seriously 1/3rd of the book is about ways to politely decline to discuss your prior salary too early it’s that important
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Maximo Roboto posted:So what happens if you like your job but they give you a pay bump after a while that seems low this is every job after a few years the only way to reliably keep your pay in-line with the market is to change jobs periodically
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is a short, easy read for people who are not professional negotiators, and reallly only negotiate one type of monetary transaction ever 7 bucks for Kindle and only 200 pages, may be worth a read
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Nov 1, 2018 17:37
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make it awkward, I can do that. figgies here I come
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is every job after a few years Idk if this is always true, but sometimes it is lifechangingly true
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Nov 1, 2018 17:55
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qhat posted:7 bucks for Kindle and only 200 pages, may be worth a read it is definitely worth a read, and the first 50 pages or so are a summary of the book overall. you don't have to finish the whole thing
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pointsofdata posted:Idk if this is always true, but sometimes it is lifechangingly true my old coworker used to have title "principal engineer" at a tech major, he got paid 110k total comp/year switched to goog, made enough money to retire in 3 years (600k total comp/year), hosed off to work on VR things "how the gently caress do you get that title and 110k total comp/year?" "they never gave me a raise" i didn't even know that was possible, but his lambo looked very out of place
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Any of y'all ever end up working at a place that made you do one of those "personality and aptitude" tests? like the CCAT? Every one of them I've seen has ended up being a bunch of weirdos.
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Zaxxon posted:Any of y'all ever end up working at a place that made you do one of those "personality and aptitude" tests? like the CCAT? Every one of them I've seen has ended up being a bunch of weirdos. Avoid like the plague.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:switched to goog, made enough money to retire in 3 years (600k total comp/year), hosed off to work on VR things holy moly this must have been in the early days, right?
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Rex-Goliath posted:holy moly this must have been in the early days, right? sounds like a very high L6/ lower L7. i have a friend over there as an L7 and gets 700k iirc
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qhat posted:Avoid like the plague. Have you ever received a CV with the candidates myers-briggs on it? I kinda wanted to reject them out of hand but apparently that's not a good enough reason.
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pointsofdata posted:Have you ever received a CV with the candidates myers-briggs on it? I kinda wanted to reject them out of hand but apparently that's not a good enough reason. who but an intp would even do that
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:who but an intp would even do that idk but it is a terrible idea. how is it ever going to benefit you?
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Rex-Goliath posted:holy moly this must have been in the early days, right? early days of 2015-2018
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What market salary research resources are there even besides PayScale and Glassdoor self-reporting
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Zaxxon posted:Any of y'all ever end up working at a place that made you do one of those "personality and aptitude" tests? like the CCAT? Every one of them I've seen has ended up being a bunch of weirdos. my current job. my boss used it to hire for low ego and it appears to have worked out quite well but i can’t really recommend anyone else roll those dice.
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Flaming June posted:sounds like a very high L6/ lower L7. i have a friend over there as an L7 and gets 700k iirc yeah once you hit principal (or staff at google, i think google came from sun levels and amazon came from microsoft?) comp starts to get very out of control. its also a pretty high bar to get over as you either have to be pretty drat accomplished outside of the company OR have the luck to have an org put enough trust in you to give you the kind of projects that get you to that level
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Maximo Roboto posted:What market salary research resources are there even besides PayScale and Glassdoor self-reporting ieee and stackoverflow both do salary surveys but that's still self-reported
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i make like 160k in the middle of the silly con valley, not at a big tech corp, but i do very little work. i've basically optimized for money/effort ratio. i worry that if i moved to a bigco like google chasing after double my salary, i'd encounter too much other bullshit like politics and having to actually work, and not just get away with appearing like the smartest person in the room so nobody fucks with me. so i just stay here. but part of me suspects that all the people at facebook/google/etc making 300k+ accomplish just as little as i do
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I know someone who works as a sse for deepmind, idk what they earn but they were a super motivated and intelligent person when I knew them at university. I don't think I would be able to roll with them in terms of raw ability.
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DELETE CASCADE posted:i make like 160k in the middle of the silly con valley, not at a big tech corp, but i do very little work. i've basically optimized for money/effort ratio. i worry that if i moved to a bigco like google chasing after double my salary, i'd encounter too much other bullshit like politics and having to actually work, and not just get away with appearing like the smartest person in the room so nobody fucks with me. so i just stay here. but part of me suspects that all the people at facebook/google/etc making 300k+ accomplish just as little as i do They accomplish as little as you do, but they have to put in four times the effort doing it.
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TerminalRaptor posted:They accomplish as little as you do, but they have to put in four times the effort doing it. lol no
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i make shitloads of money and i do as little work as possible to achieve it that's the miracle of fortune 500 baby
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DELETE CASCADE posted:i make like 160k in the middle of the silly con valley, not at a big tech corp, but i do very little work. i've basically optimized for money/effort ratio. i worry that if i moved to a bigco like google chasing after double my salary, i'd encounter too much other bullshit like politics and having to actually work, and not just get away with appearing like the smartest person in the room so nobody fucks with me. so i just stay here. but part of me suspects that all the people at facebook/google/etc making 300k+ accomplish just as little as i do
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Gazpacho posted:got kids? Then keep the job. Otherwise life is for living man what are you doing Sounds like he's got it figured out, I don't know what you're trying to suggest... go to a tech giant and kill yourself working for more money?
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tech giant work is just as half-assable as normal work. I don't understand where you are getting the misconception that everyone is working like a dog in that world
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GenJoe posted:tech giant work is just as half-assable as normal work. I don't understand where you are getting the misconception that everyone is working like a dog in that world well, its the image they try and cultivate.
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ADINSX posted:Sounds like he's got it figured out, I don't know what you're trying to suggest... go to a tech giant and kill yourself working for more money?
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more to the point, spending years in a sinecure position is a bad long term career move wrt ensuring future employment
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