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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
wait until they measure your BMI as part of the interview process.

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

sorry your bmi isn't high enough to be considered for this linux position

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


The Management posted:

wait until they measure your BMs as part of the interview process.

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


(my poasts)

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Cucumbers posted:

If using BMI means that less people will be eligible for discounts, then yes they will absolutely keep using that as a metric.

*stannis voice* FEWER

Captain Foo posted:

I got enlightened as to how bullshit these programs were years ago when I didn't get my discount because I didn't improve my BMI (which was on the high end of normal) because I literally was too muscular

qhat posted:

rofl are companies still using BMI as a useful metric for determining what your discount should be? amazing

pathetic little tramp posted:

Unless you get to sit in one of those water tanks a la Dragonball Z while they use the displacement to get a perfect measurement of your fat percentage, you're not getting a useful number.

why would we use a valid measurement for assessing health when we could just act like huge idiots and punish people for, roughly speaking, being fat or "being fat"

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

did you miss the normal range part

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Just got an email, multiple months after applying, from canonical saying that I had to reapply and that the job posting wasn't for a specific role, why don't you take a look at the all vacancies page???

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

hobbesmaster posted:

wait, “normal range” doesn’t count?

are eating disorders covered under the insurance? because that’s how you get eating disorders

It's possible I was """""overweight""""" but it goes to illustrate the point that BMI doesn't work at all for individuals, especially if you have any muscle mass at all

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

uhhhhh all your other metrics are fine but you're a little high here maybe improve that [this would require becoming less healthy]

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Cucumbers posted:

If using BMI means that less people will be eligible for discounts, then yes they will absolutely keep using that as a metric.

reminder that the "discounts" and the "premiums" are 100% made up -- there's no insurance policy on the back side. your employer is just paying healthcare costs directly

in the typical case, the structure of payroll deductions is totally arbitrary. they are just fees your employer charges you entirely at their discretion

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

The Management posted:

wait until they measure your BMI as part of the interview process.

they don't actually care about your bmi, they really just want to punish old people so they leave the workforce faster

age is a better predictor of health costs

age-ism in hiring is a great way to save money, if you're an rear end in a top hat and you don't care about breaking the law

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

age-ism in hiring is a great way to save money, if you're an rear end in a top hat and you don't care about breaking the law

RON HOWARD VOICE: They didn't.

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Notorious b.s.d. posted:

reminder that the "discounts" and the "premiums" are 100% made up -- there's no insurance policy on the back side. your employer is just paying healthcare costs directly

in the typical case, the structure of payroll deductions is totally arbitrary. they are just fees your employer charges you entirely at their discretion

my employer (or at least an HR rep) outright stated they don't get any info from HealthAdvocate (the 3rd party doing the screening)--just a receipt that an employee had their blood draw and vitals taken, and assessment (no info on what this contains) completed. so basically they're cutting my salary by 1% if I don't give my blood and answer unknown questions from HealthAdvocate, and calling it an incentive. I gather from reading pages about ADA and HIPAA compliance that this trick is common as hell


I talked to my boss this morning; as expected she was sympathetic and unable to do anything except forward my concern on as an "employee retention concern" which i guess is the best i'm gonna get. She also encouraged me, anxiety allowing, to talk to HR about it

i still also want to go grieve at HR directly (i haven't complained yet to anyone besides my direct report) but despite by boss' assurances I remain concerned that not only would this do nothing as I already expect, but would get me capital n Noticed, so anxious and annoyed I currently remain

Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Sep 4, 2019

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


by the way that 30% incentive/penalty comes directly from laws related to ADA and HIPAA compliance, but the 30% governor was revoked in January of this year, so soon companies can use whatever percentage they want~

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010

pointsofdata posted:

Just got an email, multiple months after applying, from canonical saying that I had to reapply and that the job posting wasn't for a specific role, why don't you take a look at the all vacancies page???

was it an email from a real human or a stock email to everybody who applied for that position

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


you should move somewhere with universal healthcare

move to canada, you get to whine about the weather instead of healthcare which is a net benefit

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
yeah man longest unprotected border in the world, come on over.

hell i could see america from a park i was in today, you could cross the niagara river in a dinghy

tak
Jan 31, 2003

lol demowned
Grimey Drawer
Yes come to Canada there's plenty of room and jobs for all

Unironically though, immigration is cool and good

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Boiled Water posted:

you should move somewhere with universal healthcare

move to canada, you get to whine about the weather instead of healthcare which is a net benefit

for the pay cut I would take moving to Canada, I could pay for my own healthcare (thanks obama) and continue living in good weather.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
No one in Canada wants to hire a marginally skilled 30-something.

:(

E: Except in the Maritimes, but gently caress that. :vomarine:

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

The Management posted:

for the pay cut I would take moving to Canada, I could pay for my own healthcare (thanks obama) and continue living in good weather.

don't forget what rent costs in toronto and vancouver these days

unless you want to live in winnipeg, the pay/rent spread is pretty damned painful

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Cold on a Cob posted:

yeah man longest unprotected border in the world, come on over.

hell i could see america from a park i was in today, you could cross the niagara river in a dinghy

i'd happily consider it if I could find steady employment

what're guns and gun control like up there

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Ciaphas posted:

i'd happily consider it if I could find steady employment

what're guns and gun control like up there

esoteric

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

last I'd heard about vancouver salaries was they are roughly ~30% less than california pay but in canadian dollars so about half net in a place that's like 10% cheaper to live in than sf

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
it's complicated but it's not like you can roll into a gun show here and take home a pistol with no background check

we have three classifications of weapons - prohibited (really hard to get), restricted (hard to get), and non-restricted (easier to get)

non-restricted is standard shotguns and rifles used for hunting. you have to pass a background check and get a license to own them or buy them. also you need a license to purchase ammo too. these don't have to be registered with the government (currently).

prohibited is the crazy poo poo you can't even buy anymore but if you had it in the 90s you can keep it. fully automatic weapons, converted semi-automatics, sawed off guns, and some pistols (usually automatic stuff). you have to register these.

restricted would be everything else. you also have to register these.

concealed carry is basically not legal here, open carry is subject to restrictions depending on the tier and your job (ie cops, armored car personnel, etc)

other stuff - if you don't report stolen firearms you can end up in prison for up to 5 years


qirex posted:

last I'd heard about vancouver salaries was they are roughly ~30% less than california pay but in canadian dollars so about half net in a place that's like 10% cheaper to live in than sf

our salaries are pretty lovely yeah. vancouver is definitely the worst, you can actually make more $$$ in toronto for cheaper COL fwiw but avg senior dev in Toronto is making 120k base. take home on that would be roughly 84k per year

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
for context if you moved to Toronto now and were taking home that 84k you'd probably be spending minimum 2k per month on a 1BR condo, unless you want to rent a leaky basement apartment instead

edit: also when i say "avg" i mean avg new salary. some sr workers are still taking home a lot less than that because they haven't been job hopping and/or demanding more

Cold on a Cob fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Sep 4, 2019

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Cold on a Cob posted:

for context if you moved to Toronto now and were taking home that 84k you'd probably be spending minimum 2k per month on a 1BR condo, unless you want to rent a leaky basement apartment instead

edit: also when i say "avg" i mean avg new salary. some sr workers are still taking home a lot less than that because they haven't been job hopping and/or demanding more

this is why i don't find toronto very appealing

nyc cost of living, kansas salary

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
That's why you move to Regina. Best weather, best housing, best city.

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
the current pro-tier move is to work remotely for american companies and get paid in usd

then live somewhere cheaper but not a complete hellhole

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
why do krooters always ask for your resume after you just sent one

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


Cold on a Cob posted:

the current pro-tier move is to work remotely for american companies and get paid in usd

then live somewhere cheaper but not a complete hellhole

Highly recommend. My tc is like 25k short of the purchase price of my house, which I didn't think about until right now which is hosed

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Notorious b.s.d. posted:

don't forget what rent costs in toronto and vancouver these days

2k cad for a good 1bd apartment in a good area of Vancouver

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

qhat posted:

2k cad for a good 1bd apartment in a good area of Vancouver

right

make half as much as american job centers, pay the same in rent

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
I just did the first interview I've done in 5 years. I got flustered, forgot half my poo poo and feel stupid as gently caress right now. The interviewers said I did okay and they took me around the office afterwards, which is probably a good sign? Still need a drink real bad right now tho.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Notorious b.s.d. posted:

right

make half as much as american job centers, pay the same in rent

I think you're forgetting to do a conversion because 2k CAD is 1.5k USD and my understanding is that that might get you a nice bedroom in a shared apartment in NYC or cot in a flophouse in SF

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

right

make half as much as american job centers, pay the same in rent

$2kcad is like $1500usd, which gets you a place with 4 roommates on the east coast or a sleeping bag in a musty closet in the bay area

e:f,b

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

rapeface posted:

I just did the first interview I've done in 5 years. I got flustered, forgot half my poo poo and feel stupid as gently caress right now. The interviewers said I did okay and they took me around the office afterwards, which is probably a good sign? Still need a drink real bad right now tho.

it happens. forget the drink, just consider that one a practice interview. you’ve gotten it out of your system and next time will be better.

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
that's the exact reason i've scheduled my first interview that will involve a live coding exercise with a company I actually don't really want to work for

word is they pay lovely but expect FAANG level candidates AND they're in the suburbs so not too keen

doesn't help i had to take 5 months off work due to health issues and i've apparently forgotten how to type lol

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qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Tbh I think that if financials are your only concern, you're still better off working in America. The salary differential is large enough that even if you're paying twice in rent and a whole lot more for health, you're probably still saving a fuckton more money at the end of the money.

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