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Jira and confluence work fine. are there better alternatives
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notepad.exe or textedit.app
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Jul 29, 2022 00:12
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Xarn posted:Sometimes I wonder where Atlassian customers come from, because the only place I've worked at that used their products was my very first job, at a local C-tier outsourcer. Never ran into them since (not that I am complaining). when a young company grows up and loves money very very much, they must hire a layer of people who are responsible for buying things they never ever have to use the wild atlassian has evolved to exploit this niche by creating some of the most feature-rich, unusable software on planet earth
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Jul 29, 2022 00:28
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kalel posted:Jira and confluence work fine. are there better alternatives both of these just need to chuck text/html at people and the response time of both are worse than any other website I've ever used it feels like the whole earth is using one single rails instance to provide jira and confluence
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Jul 29, 2022 00:31
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the problem with jira isn't that it's slow, it's how stupid my bosses are at it
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Jul 29, 2022 00:33
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jira has probably the worst data design ive ever seen in a real product
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Jul 29, 2022 00:35
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Xarn posted:Sometimes I wonder where Atlassian customers come from, because the only place I've worked at that used their products was my very first job, at a local C-tier outsourcer. Never ran into them since (not that I am complaining). I use 100% vanilla and in the cloud Confluence, Jira and Bitbucket. No real complaints other than their UI is slow. I'd use GitHub if I was gonna do it over but eh.
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Jul 29, 2022 00:35
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I swear to god I have done everything in my power to get my boss to directly compare two tickets in the backlog and decide "which one of these is more important?" and it has never once happened. the only thing that has sunk in is that it is important to prioritize the backlog. backlog triage consists of 1. going over every ticket in the sprint and asking if were still on track to finish it this sprint and 2. plopping new tickets somewhere in the list based on vague feelings. what do you mean our backlog isn't prioritized, we spend a bunch of time prioritizing it!?!
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Jul 29, 2022 00:39
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Asleep Style posted:I swear to god I have done everything in my power to get my boss to directly compare two tickets in the backlog and decide "which one of these is more important?" and it has never once happened. the only thing that has sunk in is that it is important to prioritize the backlog. backlog triage consists of 1. going over every ticket in the sprint and asking if were still on track to finish it this sprint and 2. plopping new tickets somewhere in the list based on vague feelings. what do you mean our backlog isn't prioritized, we spend a bunch of time prioritizing it!?! Do you not have goals to meet and then set the impact of tickets on meeting those goals?
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Jul 29, 2022 00:43
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CarForumPoster posted:Do you not have goals to meet and then set the impact of tickets on meeting those goals? goals? yes. impact measurements? no. we have epics related to the goals and stories linked to them. we also have a bunch of other poo poo unrelated to the official goals we have to do at the same time all mixed together in a stupid pile
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Jul 29, 2022 00:48
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Why do you "have to do" all that other poo poo? If you do in fact have obligations that aren't directly related to your goals, you should add another (higher priority) goal that encompasses those obligations.
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Jul 29, 2022 00:53
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I agree. we've recently hired a product manager for the team, I've been trying to work with them to un gently caress our process as much as possible but there's a lot to do on that front
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Jul 29, 2022 00:58
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Shaggar posted:jira has probably the worst data design ive ever seen in a real product its this
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Jul 29, 2022 01:09
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their apis are p good but the second you start using any customizations it goes to hell
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Jul 29, 2022 01:12
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if your boss doesnt prioritize stuff just work on whatever seems fun imo jira is balls slow and i hate it but at any company i've worked at that has it i just use that as the source of truth for what i'm supposed to be doing, and if the truth is that nobody cares about any of the tickets getting done i'm just gonna do what i want
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Jul 29, 2022 01:29
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kalel posted:Jira and confluence work fine. are there better alternatives i feel like pretty much any other wiki is a viable alternative to confluence
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Jul 29, 2022 10:49
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Shaggar posted:jira has probably the worst data design ive ever seen in a real product what does good data design in this space look like
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Jul 29, 2022 10:55
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Corla Plankun posted:when a young company grows up and loves money very very much, they must hire a layer of people who are responsible for buying things they never ever have to use 
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Jul 29, 2022 12:16
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kalel posted:what does good data design in this space look like oh stupid stuff like jira uses eunuchs epoch instead of datetime for storing dates. jira users do not have a nice generated id column, they use the original username as the id column even if the username changes or they sign in with a different identity provider. some (non-plugin) customizations will modify schema, others use name value pairs type stuff. indexing is done outside of the database. its a design by someone who honestly thought that at any point relational databases were gonna disappear so the data design wont matter which caused them to try to make the application do all the work. the application is also bad at the work. idk i havent had to be in there in a while but it was just bad.
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Jul 29, 2022 15:12
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Youtrack is better than jira as is the way of all jetbrains products
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Jul 29, 2022 15:15
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ive yet to use a good jetbrains product
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Jul 29, 2022 15:16
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jira has a like decade old feature request for "can I make a board with all my mentions on it" and something about the way they built it makes that impossible
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Jul 29, 2022 15:20
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has anyone said gitbrains
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Jul 29, 2022 15:38
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that only works if you pronounce git like a psychopath
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Jul 29, 2022 15:43
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i like jetbrains Rider and jetbrains CLion and also jetbrains WebStorm thank you for listening
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Jul 29, 2022 17:46
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Shaggar posted:ive yet to use a good jetbrains product datagrip is p good but gets slow (like every jetbrains product) if you abuse it (like every developer does)
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Jul 29, 2022 18:07
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What's the alternative to JB IDES anyway? I'm relatively okay with Eclipse and VS, but Eclipse is definitely even less snappy and VS has terrible configuration support (and is only for Windows for the most part) ClIon does what I need, to the point where I pay for the stupid thing so that I can use it at home
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Jul 29, 2022 18:59
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the alternative is electron garbage, which is why jetbrains continues to exist
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Jul 29, 2022 19:25
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the alternative is electron garbage, which is why jetbrains continues to exist also the chorus of weirdos who insist vim or emacs is great you just need to climb K2 and it all makes sense
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Jul 29, 2022 20:06
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the alternative is electron garbage, which is why jetbrains continues to exist there are others out there (qtcreator, codeblocks and such for c/c++), but coming to those from a high-end ide feels like a step down nothing out there short of paid plugins for vs has anything close to clion's refactoring capabilities, and it's one of those things that's incredibly hard to give up once you are used to it
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Jul 29, 2022 20:09
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the alternative is electron garbage, which is why jetbrains continues to exist vs code is just fine
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Jul 29, 2022 22:39
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The Fool posted:vs code is just fine vs code is unusable out of the box and you need to dedicate weeks of your one precious life to find the combination of third party plugins that makes it remotely useful
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Jul 30, 2022 00:05
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Lady Radia posted:i like jetbrains Rider and jetbrains CLion and also jetbrains WebStorm thank you for listening rider is the visual studio your mom said you had at home
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Jul 30, 2022 00:06
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i'd hate to see your workflow that you need a whole week to setup a text editor
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Jul 30, 2022 00:06
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The Fool posted:i'd hate to see your workflow that you need a whole week to setup a text editor depends what you want to do with it more to the point text editors are fine for simple things (yes including - perphaps especially - vi/m and emacs) but kindof garbage when you get to the point where you actually need IDE features, even if you can hack them in somewhat
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Jul 30, 2022 00:22
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Kernel Sanders posted:vs code is unusable out of the box and you need to dedicate weeks of your one precious life to find the combination of third party plugins that makes it remotely useful Idk, it works fine out of the box for me  , except for a few msft-maintained plugins that mostly just work
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Jul 30, 2022 01:26
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It's dumb as hell that the file watcher doesn't respect .gitignore files though. "Why yes, I want to chew through all of my kernel inotifies so that Vscode can tell me about the 500000 files that changed in my 60gb build directory"
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Jul 30, 2022 01:28
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Poopernickel posted:It's dumb as hell that the file watcher doesn't respect .gitignore files though. "Why yes, I want to chew through all of my kernel inotifies so that Vscode can tell me about the 500000 files that changed in my 60gb build directory" more than once i've wanted a general .ignore file to be honored by all the things, from git to spotlight to tracker to whatever.
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Jul 30, 2022 01:40
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kalel posted:Jira and confluence work fine. are there better alternatives I was surprised at how well gitlab stories worked the one time I dealt with that several jobs ago. There were a couple of pain points, but it was infinitely better than their garbage jira that took 30 seconds to load any given page
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I use whatever IDE my work makes me use. All of them are bad in their own.
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