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If your answer to "where do you want to be in 5 years" isn't "retired after becoming independently wealthy", you are lying.
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Xarn posted:If your answer to "where do you want to be in 5 years" isn't "retired after becoming independently wealthy", you are lying. I once said "I want to be wealthy enough that I forget how to shop in a supermarket", I wanna be Lucille Bluth. The interviewer did not like it. Not one bit no sir.
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champagne posting posted:I once said "I want to be wealthy enough that I forget how to shop in a supermarket", I wanna be Lucille Bluth. The interviewer did not like it. Not one bit no sir. This answer owns big gently caress knowing the price of milk Plebs in the rat race
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Aug 2, 2022 11:44
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I think the only place that is an acceptable answer is like, buyside finance where they'll love it. a weird island of honesty
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Aug 2, 2022 12:11
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The trick is to have a sane boss. I've already said that my main motivator to work here is money, and his answer was pretty much "duh, but the Americans like to pretend that there are other reasons to work in this company, so honesty is not the best option for your career". 
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one of my great professional victories was getting stuff like "passion" and "enjoys hard work" removed from all our tech job postings and getting people to ask more questions like "what kind of non computer hobbies do you have" has improved interviews immensely
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Aug 2, 2022 16:00
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Share Bear posted:ask more questions like "what kind of non computer hobbies do you have" this seems like really dangerous territory, and definitely wouldn't fly anywhere with a rubric danger example: that question can be used to suss out if a prospective employee has a family without directly asking.
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Aug 2, 2022 16:17
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any question can have an answer that has volunteered information that is meant to be info you should not know or make decisions on (for non americans, you cannot ask or make decisions about certain types of protected classes of information in an interview specifically) i am not a lawyer, i think that question falls within reason with the intent of finding people who have non-computer hobbies to demonstrate a variety of life experience (everyone has hobbies), but i'll look it up Share Bear fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 2, 2022 |
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Aug 2, 2022 16:29
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ok so no open ended questions like that as it can be tricky from a cover-your-rear end point of view but not explicitly forbade. however, if it relates to the job itself it can be asked so i'll figure out how to rephrase that and narrow it down Share Bear fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Aug 2, 2022 |
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Aug 2, 2022 16:32
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yeah, my understanding is that the danger isn't so much in the question itself, but with information that question is likely to uncover and how you respond to it. for instance, would you treat these two responses differently: a) i don't really have time for hobbies outside of work. b) my kids are my number one priority, so between them and work there isn't much time left for my own hobbies. i guess you could say being the family chauffeur is my hobby!
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I don't give a poo poo if an interviewee has hobbies. Why is that better than just focusing on relevant work experience and ability to work on a team? My main hobby is videogames with friends. I don't wanna talk about that too much in an interview but I also don't think it makes me a worse candidate than if I was on a bowling team or had a side hustle making bird houses
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Aug 2, 2022 17:50
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I do think not asking people to pretend they're "passionate" about writing unit tests is very good
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Aug 2, 2022 17:55
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I am very opinionated about unit tests, does that count?
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y'all keep acting like these are real questions that need honest answers that are a 100% reflection of your true self
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Aug 2, 2022 17:59
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ultravoices posted:y'all keep acting like these are real questions that need honest answers that are a 100% reflection of your true self interviews are cool because i get to play my favorite game, "guess which hobbies and interests the interviewer thinks are cool and which ones they think are stupid dorky bullshit"
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Aug 2, 2022 18:08
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my hobbies include spending time with my friends and doing fun stuff
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Aug 2, 2022 18:09
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carry on then posted:interviews are cool because i get to play my favorite game, "guess which hobbies and interests the interviewer thinks are cool and which ones they think are stupid dorky bullshit" you may not have to guess, some people think LinkedIn is Facebook
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Aug 2, 2022 18:11
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carry on then posted:interviews are cool because i get to play my favorite game, "guess which hobbies and interests the interviewer thinks are cool and which ones they think are stupid dorky bullshit" It's not much better wrt to most technical questions either
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Aug 2, 2022 18:13
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ultravoices posted:y'all keep acting like these are real questions that need honest answers that are a 100% reflection of your true self they are 100% real questions a person next to you is asking and you have to figure out "what happened to this person to make them ask this terrible question?"
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Aug 2, 2022 18:23
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theyre shibboleths to see if you can endure a tiny dollop of corporate bullshit seems like sometimes the answer is no
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Aug 2, 2022 18:25
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ya they're hoops to jump through. didn't you go to school, you should be familiar with busywork
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Aug 2, 2022 18:30
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bob dobbs is dead posted:theyre shibboleths to see if you can endure a tiny dollop of corporate bullshit "I asked her what her hobbies were and she said she'd prefer not to answer so I'm gonna say no hire"
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during an interview one should be as offputting as possible rather than have generic easy answers to everyday qs or commonly known interview qs as bullshit as they might be i also think leetcode poo poo is a travesty (as opposed to maybe recreating an issue that happened on the job) but that doesnt stop everyone from inflicting that on people
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the corporate bullshit is power. power relations are at the core of corporate bullshit. its an acknowledgement that they have power over you, like the kowtow or the offering of earth and water
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Aug 2, 2022 18:34
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anything that opens the door for unconscious bias to take the wheel is pretty bad imo
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Aug 2, 2022 18:35
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ultravoices posted:y'all keep acting like these are real questions that need honest answers that are a 100% reflection of your true self Yeah just lie. Instead of saying sometimes I just lie on the ground wondering where it all went wrong just say "I love reading. Currently reading X".
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Aug 2, 2022 18:37
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yeah so we should do double blind interviews via text alone i agree
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Aug 2, 2022 18:38
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yeah it's not that hard. i like to see movies and eat local food. Sometimes I go to local events such as live music and other human activities
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Aug 2, 2022 18:39
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Share Bear posted:one of my great professional victories was getting stuff like "passion" and "enjoys hard work" removed from all our tech job postings and getting people to ask more questions like "what kind of non computer hobbies do you have" has improved interviews immensely
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Aug 2, 2022 18:39
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do you nerds seriously have zero hobbies
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whatever you do, don't answer interview questions like a normal person to get a job. the worst would be if you spent ten minutes figuring out answers to questions that are "bullshit." you need to assert your moral, intellectual, and and indeed physical superiority over all interviewers so that they respect you and know to never, ever have the gall to ask you questions that you might consider beneath you
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it's just some human bean conversation to see if you're personable and easy to talk to, not a judgment on if you play the right type of video games
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Aug 2, 2022 18:40
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PokeJoe posted:do you nerds seriously have zero hobbies yes
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hell i dont even go outside
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well sounds like your hobby is meditation
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Share Bear posted:yeah so we should do double blind interviews via text alone i agree obviously there are inherent problems with the format, but that doesn't mean we need to be defeatist about it
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PokeJoe posted:it's just some human bean conversation to see if you're personable and easy to talk to, not a judgment on if you play the right type of video games ya
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PokeJoe posted:it's just some human bean conversation to see if you're personable and easy to talk to, not a judgment on if you play the right type of video games it will absolutely turn into this in the hands of most programmers who conduct interviews
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PokeJoe posted:it's just some human bean conversation to see if you're personable and easy to talk to, not a judgment on if you play the right type of video games yeah. the rubric for that doesn't read "has the right hobbies" or "has no kids," it reads "has basic interpersonal communication abilities; will have smalltalk conversations without throwing a fit; shows (or appropriately feigns) interest in other people to the minimum standard for team cohesion (minimum standard articulated here)"
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interviewing isn't just about getting the questions right, it's just as much about not coming across as a stupid rear end in a top hat
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