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barkbell
Apr 14, 2006

woof
Looking at doing the interview grind again. I am staff engineer at a small company so I lead projects and work across teams in a technical way. does anyone have any resources for how to write my resume bullets points and what to focus on? I’m not sure what metrics to even focus on at this level as when I was a mid level it was more clear

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cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now
you write it exactly how you described it. point out if you had any influence at the C or VP level, prevented waste or improved a process impacting across X teams, etc.

i had some interview rounds and found out i'm underpaid by like 40-50k so I'm so jumping ship when i hit my year at my current place (didn't get an offer). always be interviewing

cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Nov 20, 2024

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


Got bench rejected from a place this week because (according to unofficial backchanneling) the recruiter felt I bounced around too many jobs in the 2010s and they wouldn't be able to make a case to the hiring committee if they were to interview me :mad:

it's fine, I've got other coals in the fire, just felt like a good match for company, skills and (mandatory RtO) location

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Dijkstracula posted:

Got bench rejected from a place this week because (according to unofficial backchanneling) the recruiter felt I bounced around too many jobs in the 2010s and they wouldn't be able to make a case to the hiring committee if they were to interview me :mad:

it's fine, I've got other coals in the fire, just felt like a good match for company, skills and (mandatory RtO) location

bullet dodged

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


Deviant posted:

bullet dodged

on one hand you're probably right but on the other I would like a figgie-stacking job where I can move to NYC

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Dijkstracula posted:

on one hand you're probably right but on the other I would like a figgie-stacking job where I can move to NYC

im in a similar boat but for philly. hell it doesn't even need to be that big of a stack anymore. if some place wants me to come to an office im not gonna do it for some box on way too big of a parcel in a suburb with no train stations

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

im in a similar boat but for philly. hell it doesn't even need to be that big of a stack anymore. if some place wants me to come to an office im not gonna do it for some box on way too big of a parcel in a suburb with no train stations

Yeah, I'm in the process of talking to a tier-or-two-under-a-FAANG company rn whose offices used to be in SF but relocated for tax avoidance reasons to South SF (The Industrial City!) nowhere close to BART or CalTrain, and trying to explain to the recruiter that "making me get in a privately-owned motor vehicle and sit in traffic on a freeway" is probably a dealbreaker is shockingly hard to get through

Magnetic North
Dec 14, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

Dijkstracula posted:

Yeah, I'm in the process of talking to a tier-or-two-under-a-FAANG company rn whose offices used to be in SF but relocated for tax avoidance reasons to South SF (The Industrial City!) nowhere close to BART or CalTrain, and trying to explain to the recruiter that "making me get in a privately-owned motor vehicle and sit in traffic on a freeway" is probably a dealbreaker is shockingly hard to get through

God, I cannot get recruiters to understand that if it's a hybrid position, I need to know the specific address and the number of in-person expected before it's even worth my time to deign to talk to you.

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


For my part I'm mostly fine with being forced into the office most/all days, so long as I can walk or bike or in the absolute worst case take transit to the office

do not make me suffer a "commute", capitalism overlords

the willingness that you yanks have to sit, stewing, in heavy freeway traffic is up there with "saturday mail delivery??" in terms of things I'll never understand

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

Official Carrier of the Neil Bush Torch
if you approach it the right way, you can think of a commute like a kind of western meditation, like how smoking is western yoga breathing.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
actual indian peeps commute longer and smoke more than we do, nowadays, tbh (counting the chewing betel-tobacco stuff and all the other crap)

maybe it's like how the only worthwhile lawry's and 7/11's in the world are in rich east asia

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Nov 24, 2024

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


rotor posted:

if you approach it the right way, you can think of a commute like a kind of western meditation, like how smoking is western yoga breathing.

using my power ujjayi breath to unclog the 880/237 interchange

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

REIGNING YOSPOS COSTCO KING

Dijkstracula posted:

the 880/237 interchange
milpitas lol

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

walmart recruiters never really understood that, while their old brisbane office was only 2 miles from sf, it was impossible to reach without a car. they seem to have figured it out since and moved to san bruno near bart/caltrain

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


sure but I'd suck start a mossberg before I took a job with walmart corporate

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

Deviant posted:

sure but I'd suck start a mossberg before I took a job with walmart corporate

what do you have against every day low prices
is it the labor violations
cause that doesnt happen to the white collars
ya know, cause youre exempt by law

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


Walmart: what if Amazon, but with better software development practices

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

they also have made bentonville a happening place* because it turns out it was hard to get any type of office peeps to move to middle of nowhere arkansas, much less touchers


* relatively to the rest of that part of the south

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


whatever youtube ads slip past my adblock are all for relocating to NW Arkansas so I could believe it

Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe
What can I use to benchmark compensation for tech leadership roles like VP Engineering, CTO, and the like?
Levels.fyi seems more focused on IC roles, which is fine, but not sure if there is something else out there equivalent. About to waste time with a recruiter to do some market research. Like where I'm at but feel I'm getting under-market so want to arm myself up with numbers. If I get exposed to other stuff out there then that's fine.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
every one of those is materially negotiated. you need to know peeps, there's no public listings of that kinda thing and no convenient website, and there never will be, cardinality is too small. if you have lotsa vc buddies it is a surprisingly straightforward thing to squeeze that sorta info out of them, or at least referrals to other cto's, vpoe's, etc.

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Dec 1, 2024

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

Hed posted:

What can I use to benchmark compensation for tech leadership roles like VP Engineering, CTO, and the like?
Levels.fyi seems more focused on IC roles, which is fine, but not sure if there is something else out there equivalent. About to waste time with a recruiter to do some market research. Like where I'm at but feel I'm getting under-market so want to arm myself up with numbers. If I get exposed to other stuff out there then that's fine.


a VP of engineering will be fairly different and may exist at a seed stage startup, series A company, series B+, and big company

my impression is comp varies WILDLY based on a few discussions with other YC peeps. SF may be IC money ($200k) to well more than double that. that value of options varies wildly too

tell us more about the location/company size/job/number of reports and if i can get some relevant info

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



"this session is about the journey and not necessarily the destination"

feedback from recruiter: "getting to a working solution would have been nice to see"

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


KoRMaK posted:

"this session is about the journey and not necessarily the destination"

feedback from recruiter: "getting to a working solution would have been nice to see"

I've seen that lie to many times in so many iterations. "We just want to see how you think" lying motherfuckers

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



system design interview - no negative feedback. values and culture interview - no negative feedback. and I shared some info that I framed as a strength in that one that i was worried about but it seems like it was nbd.

these lower level coding interviews are so tediously meticulous and often it feels like they miss the forrest for the trees. but of course i may say that as a candidate.

highlights tho how if i had been gakked out on leetcode i probably wouldn't be bitching right now

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



are aws certs worth a darn? im evaluating if i want to do prep with a udemy course for cloud practitioner - foundational, developer - associate or solutions architecture - associate

the udemy course comes with a practice exam which seems to be the real value if i can get it on sale

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

KoRMaK posted:

these lower level coding interviews are so tediously meticulous and often it feels like they miss the forrest for the trees.

it's all just a bunch of smartest boys in the room winging it so this is what happens. it super sucks but all you can really do is roll your eyes and move on.

fwiw, I've never slaved over leetcode and i've thoroughly enjoyed the line engineering culture everywhere that's been willing to hire me, and i like to think those things are related.

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

KoRMaK posted:

are aws certs worth a darn? im evaluating if i want to do prep with a udemy course for cloud practitioner - foundational, developer - associate or solutions architecture - associate

the udemy course comes with a practice exam which seems to be the real value if i can get it on sale

cloud practitioner is worthless - it just certifies that you read aws marketing materials. you could probably take the test right now and pass.

an old boss had me get dev associate and while it felt slightly valuable as a way to polish up my knowledge about work i was already doing nobody else has ever given a poo poo about me having it. it also didn't really teach me anything new - i only did well on the parts of the test that corresponded to the practical knowledge i already had.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



KoRMaK posted:

are aws certs worth a darn? im evaluating if i want to do prep with a udemy course for cloud practitioner - foundational, developer - associate or solutions architecture - associate

the udemy course comes with a practice exam which seems to be the real value if i can get it on sale

sample size of 1, but my manager really liked seeing that I had an aws cert when he interviewed me and actively looks for candidates with aws/azure certs. I didn't learn much but it can help with the interview process

if you have time it may be worth it, but might not be as high a priority as polishing your resume and blasting off applications

root of all eval
Dec 28, 2002

KoRMaK posted:

the udemy course comes with a practice exam which seems to be the real value if i can get it on sale

Udemy is always on sale if you log out and use the Gmail + trick to make a new account. Really annoying tbh

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

KoRMaK posted:

are aws certs worth a darn? im evaluating if i want to do prep with a udemy course for cloud practitioner - foundational, developer - associate or solutions architecture - associate

the udemy course comes with a practice exam which seems to be the real value if i can get it on sale

Its always good to have a fact you can point to that says "knows this thing" and was motivated enough to verify that. I, along with every other interviewer, have interviewed plenty of people who describe themselves as "Python - Advanced" in skills and then been tripped up by stuff like: "Whats an anonymous/lambda function do?", "Why would you use a class versus a function?", "When would you use decorators?" are met with silence or fumbling.

Magnetic North
Dec 14, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
Speaking of which: I am considering expanding my skillset. I don't know if I want to pay 5 grand for some cert, so I might start out with some self-directed YouTube learning, even if it's just for my own personal benefit. I'm a C# dev, primarily in the backend, with some varied experiences all over the stack. The things I am thinking about are:

Python (zero experience)
AI/ML (know the raw academic basics, never used before)
Advanced SQL / RDB Concepts (5 years of writing SQL, but never got much into design or any DBA level stuff)
DevOps (off and on for 3 years, nothing official)
Azure (off and on for 3 years, nothing official)
Git (I am woefully poo poo at this, just pull, push and merge, the rest is too scary)

I hate Javascript so I don't really want to try and learn it again, because they I might need to take a job where I have to actually use it. Also, Cybersecurity seems like an entirely different field so probably not for someone who wants to remain in development, but correct me if I'm wrong.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
any and all of those are fine and worthwhile to do a small time thing in except ml, because if you want an actual ml job doing mathematically sophisticated stuff you prolly need at least a masters, in reality a phd. maybe just a masters for the mleng jobs

DELETE CASCADE
Oct 25, 2017

i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003
you don't need an actual ml job doing mathematically sophisticated stuff tho. you can just call some openai api endpoints and suddenly you "work in ai". i mean, you don't, but the idiots picking your salary level don't know that

i'd recommend the python and the sql. ai winter will come again soon. python and sql aren't going anywhere, and there's a huge job market

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
dont need to learn things to call the api

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

bob dobbs is dead posted:

dont need to learn things to call the api

requests.get() so maybe python is the winner


im biased but i love python because there are few desktop pc problems that it cant do a decent job at and every mature cli and api has a python wrapper. its just convenient

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
its the actual best Default P-lang, despite the regrettable fact that js is the Default P-lang

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


just gotten a heads up that I will be made redundant come end of Jan, so back to the job grind with me it is

there's a notice period and severance so it's not like the worst thing ever, we've had 4 layoff waves this year which I survived (and multiple successive managers of mine have not) so it was bound to come eventually

e: and while the pay was good when I started (by UK standards) financial issues meant we had highly sub-inflation pay increases the whole time, so I should be able to get 10-30% more or so elsewhere anyway

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Dec 14, 2024

CanuckCanuckCanuck
Mar 4, 2023
Canadian, been out of tech work for a year. I've had interview, but either its too hard leecode, ghosting, not knowing specific trivia the interviewer asks for or "eugh, he's 30".
Any advice? Might even have to move back in with my old parents in Europe if I run out of money.

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CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

CanuckCanuckCanuck posted:

Canadian, been out of tech work for a year. I've had interview, but either its too hard leecode, ghosting, not knowing specific trivia the interviewer asks for or "eugh, he's 30".
Any advice? Might even have to move back in with my old parents in Europe if I run out of money.

post resume for review either htere or in the bfc thread

apply a lot

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