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KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



ultrafilter posted:

not much what's up with you?

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ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew, hah? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

What smells like uproled?

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Truman Peyote posted:

well, another company has cold-messaged me waving something like a 65-70% total comp increase under my nose. so at the very least, i will do the interview process.

one specific thing i'd be interested in opinions on is how much programming languages matter if i'm on a management track. it sounds like this is a management position with some technical lead / staff dev type responsibilities, which is basically what i do now. over time i want to move toward upper management of development departments. this company uses ruby on rails, which i've never used, but i don't see a lot of demand for. i personally don't think that experience with specific languages means all that much - it's much faster to learn a language than it is to get a working knowledge of a specific codebase. but lots of recruiters don't feel that way, so if i were a developer, i'd probably avoid jobs that use languages that seem obscure or in decline. is that something i really need to give a poo poo about if i'm in management?

i don't think i've ever cared about what languages any of my managers knew as all of them had been out of the game long enough that it didn't matter. in fact i'm now trying to envision scenarios where it would make a difference and none of them are good

if you want to keep moving in the management direction this role should be fine since your resume will be highlighting your management contributions, not what language you were writing from time to time

i guess the usual buyer beware caveat comes with this though because it sounds like they don't know if they want a developer or a manager. a role that tries to be both is going to be compromised

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!


minivanmegafun posted:

how much AI bullshit is baked into senior/staff SRE interview loops nowadays, I might have to hit the pavement a bit in the near future
None in my loops from earlier this year - only mention of it at all was Anthropic saying "you can use Claude if you want but the interview questions are designed such that doing so won't help you"

barkbell
Apr 14, 2006

woof
i took a job at a social media gen-z company that i don't really understand, but they pay pretty good. thanks thread.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

is samsung known for paying badly? I just got a recruiter spam with what I would consider to be an insultingly low rate for a contract ux designer in the bay area, like less than I was making in 2009 when the economy was on fire

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

not that I know of but most foreign headquartered companies pay worse in the USA than they should in my experience

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013
particularly in the bay, foreign cos would rather hire some texas/florida dude and pay similarly from what i hear. no first person exp tho

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



a second offer came in, and im considering my options in how to push the new one (offer/company B) to materially out perform the former (offer/company A)

what are some approach options in this scenario? do i bluff and tell company B an exaggerated version of offer A and see what they come back with? (I've heard of scenarios where they may ask to see the offer, so i want to be prepared for that on the off chance it could happen. i think i can side step it and say it's confidential i can't share the offer letter with another company)

Or do i be transparent and tell them the actual offer b and see what they come back with?

or do i say what I'd like to see in order to get me to sign today? this may mean i wouldn't give company A a chance to respond, which have already informed me offer A was their last best final a couple weeks ago (we'll see if that changes with the leverage a second offer gives me)

is there a way i can get them to offer beyond what the stated range is? which i can forsee bumping into pretty quickly, and that would affect raises later, probably meaning im at the top of the band already and can't qualify for more without title bump.

hypothetically, if they do get to an offer i want to accept, I think i would then want to inform my manager at company A that i have another offer and give them a chance to respond

in terms of duties, offer b is a step up in title but it would mean running agile meetings again and that poo poo is kinda tiring but the role comes with more system design opportunities and driving of technical decisions, which is what im looking for

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006


i'd say "here's what i'd like to see in order to sign today," and write down what i would actually like to see in order to sign today, without caring what job A offers. it sounds like you're more interested in job B anyway. if they come in lower, you have the option of taking it or seeing if job A will beat it in a way that makes you more interested.

exe cummings
Jan 22, 2005

PIZZA.BAT posted:

i don't think i've ever cared about what languages any of my managers knew as all of them had been out of the game long enough that it didn't matter. in fact i'm now trying to envision scenarios where it would make a difference and none of them are good

if you want to keep moving in the management direction this role should be fine since your resume will be highlighting your management contributions, not what language you were writing from time to time

i guess the usual buyer beware caveat comes with this though because it sounds like they don't know if they want a developer or a manager. a role that tries to be both is going to be compromised

I’m in eng management right now and looking for a new position ideally in management, but I’m looking at principal/staff roles too since there are way more. nearly every eng manager role I’ve looked into wants 60/40 writing code/meetings. i assume this is just a technical gatekeeping thing.

that being said I met with a recruiter at Atlassian about an eng manager role but he pushed me into an interviewed for a principal engineer position since there were many more open positions. unfortunately the recruiter said i didnt do well enough at the leetcode interview even for the manager role, which apparently is benchmarked at midlevel/senior eng

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


managers shouldn't be doing engineer work

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Some places want managers with technical background though, it depends.

It can be helpful if the manager understands the work being done and the complexities/timescales involved.

It can also be terrible if they have strong opinions on technical things and a tendency to micromanage.

e: but agreed on the not doing engineering work bit

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Mar 13, 2025

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



update from my journey, i countered on second offer, they accepted, it worked out

KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Mar 19, 2025

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

KoRMaK posted:

update from my journey, i countered on second offer, they accepted, it worked out

thread success story!

Asleep Style
Oct 20, 2010

just got a cold outreach email from a recruiter for a company building an AI senior care ecosystem. a once in a lifetime opportunity to build the torment nexus, but for the elderly. it's bleak out here

well-read undead
Dec 13, 2022

get an interview just so you can excoriate them for their moral failings

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

Official Carrier of the Neil Bush Torch

well-read undead posted:

get an interview just so you can excoriate them for their moral failings

i keep thinkin about doing this at twitter and/or tesla just for the lols

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

well-read undead posted:

get an interview just so you can excoriate them for their moral failings

my dad apparently did this once. he's a schoolteacher and his idiot principal quit so he applied to replace her solely so he could get in a room with the guy who hired her and ask how someone that incompetent got hired originally.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



a recruiter from a sports-betting company contacted me about an open position

i really wish i had the time to waste their time because those companies are the scum of the earth

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
Got my rejection for my deepest interview sequence in a while yet. I'm annoyed but I'm trying not to be. It's not my responsibility to prevent these people from making the mistake of not hiring me.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



rotor posted:

i keep thinkin about doing this at twitter and/or tesla just for the lols

same, add anduril

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Mind_Taker posted:

a recruiter from a sports-betting company contacted me about an open position

i really wish i had the time to waste their time because those companies are the scum of the earth
was it sports betting or was it the much more specific compliance space of fantasy betting?

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



KoRMaK posted:

was it sports betting or was it the much more specific compliance space of fantasy betting?

they offer both

there may be more predatory companies out there but not many. the tactics they use on their "customers" is truly horrific

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



i had an interview with one in that industry recently, like right before the super bowl. they made sure to distinguish that they were fantasy sports, and that they only had 40% code coverage

very funny interview, sounded miserable to be on the team

Asleep Style
Oct 20, 2010

KoRMaK posted:

i had an interview with one in that industry recently, like right before the super bowl. they made sure to distinguish that they were fantasy sports, and that they only had 40% code coverage

very funny interview, sounded miserable to be on the team

fantasy tests for fantasy sports

koolkal
Oct 21, 2008

this thread maybe doesnt have room for 2 green xbox one avs

Asleep Style posted:

just got a cold outreach email from a recruiter for a company building an AI senior care ecosystem. a once in a lifetime opportunity to build the torment nexus, but for the elderly. it's bleak out here

crooter posted:

Currently I’m working with Inspiren, one of Primary’s portfolio companies. Inspiren is a leader in AI-powered solutions redefining senior living. They officially launched Inspiren’s ecosystem, the industry’s first and only complete senior living solution that integrates care planning, resident safety, staff efficiency, and emergency call systems in one platform. They raised $35M Series A and are now scaling their internal teams!

very inspiring

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

koolkal posted:

very inspiring

$35M is a big series A unless thats valuation

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

CarForumPoster posted:

$35M is a big series A unless thats valuation

lotta old people

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

rotor posted:

i keep thinkin about doing this at twitter and/or tesla just for the lols

don’t do it, musks doge boys will cut off your medicare and social security checks

Hirez
Feb 3, 2003

Weber scored 49 points?

:allears: :allears: :allears:
I've done IT Tier 2/3 work for 15 years, usually ending up team leader or team leader not in title but in being the guy everyone asks for help. I've worked 4 years at a shithole indy webhost/creator, then 4 years at Telus, then 4 at eHealth (ontario govt), then 3 at an MSP specifically for vet clinics.

Got Laid off Dec 2003, surprisingly right after we finally finished migrating 500+ clinics/15000 accounts from Gsuite to Azure/AD for MFA+VPN for covid. It was literal hell getting people to set up vpn's early on even with the most straight forward documentation (and these are Doctors and Vets mainly) surprisingly the secretarial staff was usually able to set them up without issue...

anyways I thought I was laid off because we were doing it a stupid way and I was suggesting working with a vendor or MS to do it in bulk (We had 2 team members doing 2-3 clinics a day, for like ever from an excel doc on our sharepoint).... anyways my manager was laid off the day after, so gently caress her. They asked me to come back a few days later saying my manager didn't take me being put strictly as our only Security guy for half my shift by the CEO... I instantly said sure, but I want 50% salary increase and 2 year guarantee because I was doing so much more than everyone else, and I get fired because my manager was a loving idiot... they did offer the 2 years, but not any salary increase at all saying I was making more than all the new hires (well duh, i was a senior guy with a specialist title vs analyst)

anyways, I got a decent severance since for the 3 years since I never bothered doing my milage expenses until I got the pinkslip; google maps history was quick to add up all my trips over 3 years, which in turned out to be about 30k total (I used to drive around all of Ontario in a 500km radius) if they needed onsite support.

so with EI + Severance + Savings + moving back to parents (no rent); I've lived comfortably doing nothing for 2~ years. I'm always getting asked what I was doing those 2 years; seems like a bad sign you not working for that long of a period, and I always lie and say things like I was raising my non-existent kids while the wife worked, or my parents passed over the year and had to deal with moving the family/selling my house/moving into my parents house and just started looking again for a job now that everything's settled and the kids are older and I don't feel like I missed out on a big portion of their life.

are these bad reasons? If I gave the real reason; I was lazy and didn't want to work for a bit, I'd be instantly trashed. I don't think there's really a way those would fail any background check as I did get a 3month contract mar-may 2024 for a company dealing with ATM's/Banks to do upgrades, so they did a heavy background check which they provided me and nothing of the sorts seems like it would be checked for/was checked for on my results.

Do I continue to lie? Anyone have a better reason to give?

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



"my company went through layoffs and I used the opportunity to take a sabbatical after many years of hard work" is an option i think

i just did 12 months and framed it as working on a pet project that is running in production, and working on myself professionally. i got to hide a lot of loving around time behind "infra upgrades, framework upgrades, frontend upgrades, feature and bug fixes".

so, maybe make up a bullshit project or few that you could point to and say you were staying sharp working on them while you sabbatical'd ?

KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Mar 27, 2025

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

REIGNING YOSPOS COSTCO KING
"taking care of a sick relative" is a good explanation for a gap in your resume

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006


i wouldn't hold a sabbatical against an applicant. i'm sure some would, though.

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

I don't interview people anymore but when I did I would simply ignore a big employment gap because I don't give a poo poo

well-read undead
Dec 13, 2022

PokeJoe posted:

I don't interview people anymore but when I did I would simply ignore a big employment gap because I don't give a poo poo

yeah same. didn't work for 2 years? hell yeah work sucks

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



well-read undead posted:

yeah same. didn't work for 2 years? hell yeah work sucks
calling the candidate in for an interview just to take notes on how they did it

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew, hah? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

I haven’t interviewed anyone in at least a year, feels good

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

I interviewed someone last week and it was weird since I don't feel like I've been here very long

I think there are more coming up since we have a couple of open spots on our team now

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Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Something I've seen recently is a job application form (for an otherwise pretty good position) which requires filling out an "expected salary" field with a number between 30000 and 300000. How would people approach that?

My thought was to take my desired pay and throw 10% on top & also compare to glassdoor for reasonableness, but I don't really know if that's the best way to handle it.

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