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kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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lol i loving hate looking for jobs

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kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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how long does it usually take to hear back after phone screens for people? I’ve had a bunch of initial contact “oh we’re very excited” stuff that seems to get memory holed between the recruiter and the hiring manager

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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k, thanks for the info. I haven’t interviewed in like three years and i hate everything about this

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Jan 13, 2008

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Space Whale posted:

Fair 'nuff, changed it to what it was, merge sort a big rear end file.

Did I do anything really wrong with the code? It friggin' works. :confused:

Should I just make a class period even when I just want a bundle of "file handler and line of file being handled"?

should have had tests

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Jan 13, 2008

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Rex-Goliath posted:

if they're not going to tell you why your code was wrong other than 'no' then you should assume it's over something pointlessly arbitrary because whoever is judging your code is a shitlord. i wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

all of the criticisms that have been posted so far- while true- shouldn't have been disqualifiers unless they specifically said to do or not do whatever in the assignment.

yeah i mean, if they aren't going to give you actual feedback then gently caress 'em

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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it's never worth staying after a counter-offer. if you've proven to your current employer that you can get a new job, why would they assume that any amount of money would keep you for an appreciable length of time? even if you do stay, you're probably at the top of the list for getting shuffled out in a re-organization.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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i forgot how to do a for loop in one of those codepen interviews lol

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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the whole devops/sre bullshit minefield is stupid as hell because everyone involved in it is making stupid decisions

1) the business read the phoenix project and figured out a 'convenient' way to turn IT from a cost center into a profit center; fire your it people and hire devops people instead!
2) the developers don't give a poo poo because a good 80% of professional software developers in industry want to pull tickets off of jira for 8 hours, write some code, and go home. most of these people should not be trusted to do anything with their computers other than program them, and that last part's a bit dicey
3) the traditional ops people feel like their jobs are being threatened because they don't know how to program (by and large this is correct, and would be correct no matter what; if they don't get devopsed out of existence, they'll get outsourced or replaced by managed service organizations or platform providers or linux or something), so they start cranking through 'how to devops 101' and poo poo in the pool for everyone else
4) the handful of people that give a poo poo about devops/sre positions for realsies get hosed because there's not a lot of jobs that actually fit their skillset and few open up because if you actually are doing interesting work around developer tooling, infrastructure automation, et. al. you're probably a lynchpin and aren't going to leave

traditional it/ops roles are still critically important and are a completely different skillset, imo. ideally "devops" in a professional software dev org is mostly concerned with improving the efficiency and effectiveness of the sdlc via tooling and automation at varying parts of the process.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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not sure what was incorrect in anything i posted there, care to expand on your thoughts

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Jan 13, 2008

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Waroduce posted:

I'm not sure where to ask this, and I'm cross-posting from the A/T Career Advice thread. I will remove if it doesn't belong here:

I work for an enterprise software company that has been in business for about 5 years and are currently growing out of the "Start Up" mentality. We have a core software product that is an electronic medical records system that integrates medical charting, prescription pads, pharmacy communication, med tracking, patient tracking, rounds and a bunch of poo poo. Its scaleable from single doctor general practice to large nation-wide hospitals. I started in implementation for them and was responsible from taking a new client from sales, structuring their chart, customizing the software and teaching all the doctors, nurses and staff what buttons to press.

There is a new software product we are adding to our enterprise offering that is a client relationship management software with a bit of marketing stuff tacked on (Tracking ad campagins/dollars per admit/providing basic business intelligence). My COO and CTO approached me and asked me to join the team in an undetermined role and for a salary increase in june/july if i demonstrate aptitude. I pushed back on this and they gave me a bonus with a salary negotiation in June. The structure is CTO of the core product and company, SVP Product Manager/Owner, me, and than i got a team of 4 running basic configuration and doing monkey level data entry (user profiles, security roles, sending invites). I got the team 3 weeks ago after being just me and working like 15 hours a day and bitching to my COO about the product failing due to lovely resource allocation.

I am responsible for some sales demos, implementation, project management, end user training and communicating customer requests to the dev team. I also am in the stand up meeting for the dev team every morning at 9am (They are remote a few states away), and write user stories and bugs in Visual Studios. I do NOT code at all apart from some basic ruby on rails web manipulation poo poo for the core product to automate lovely boring tasks. I am also part of the bi-weekly sprint planning meetings and architecture meetings where i do voice an opinion on either poo poo i care about, the customer cares about or if i understand something.

Among a whole host of questions I have involving like salary, I would first like to ask what do you guys think an appropriate title to ask for is? I am a senior implementation specialist now, and Enterprise Implementation Specialist or Manager would work and seem to be natural (I am the only one in the ENTIRE Company that can implement the CRM and the core EMR product. I am the only who knows the CRM apart from the SVP) but I was wondering if pivoting my resume into some sort of Product Manager role may be better for me and sound more impressive? I feel like thats a harder, better title than enterprise implementation manager. I Feel like i def want manager in it somewhere....

senior product manager, or maybe product director depending on how y'all do poo poo

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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Blinkz0rz posted:

i was suggesting it was a perfect post

have i misinterpreted that emoticon?

oh, sorry! i misinterpreted you. c-spam has kinda irony poisoned that emote.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Rex-Goliath posted:

no that's its original meaning. it's meant to be sarcastic

yeah, that’s why I misinterpreted it as being sarcastic rather than sincere.

idk, maybe I’ll write a blog post about it.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Space Whale posted:

Apparently my mindset of always anticipating poo poo going pear shaped and picking things apart to test them, and then always testing the whole regression, is a very marketable skill. And my constant triage in life is good for looking at what can blow up in a big system.

:unsmith:

Curiously I think that I might have put bugs in the ear of the interview to use himself even if I'm not hired lol.

https://boyter.org/2016/07/chaos-testing-engineering/ Also "Chaos Engineering" immediately struck me as what I was born for. How do I become a code monkey who makes monkeys?

go work for a company with too much money because those are practically the only ones where chaos monkey bullshit actually flies

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Jan 13, 2008

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MononcQc posted:

most companies are not the size or do not see the traffic necessary to have engineers spend time making sure there are no points of failure in the infra when a 5-10 minutes outages with a person restarting a server is going to be fine for most cases.

Those that are really nervous, like stores around black friday, can just overstaff or overprovision for a few weeks a year.

Chaos engineering when done netflix-style is usually done by purely online businesses that have engineering departments in a good enough shape to want to purposefully cause small outages to prevent larger ones. Most places are not at that stage to begin with.

pretty much this.

i'd suggest that a lot more places _think_ they need these sort of optimizations because they're unwilling or unable to invest in other systemic and architectural changes to shore up basic deficiencies in their code base because that's hard, meanwhile your CTO reading some articles and wanting topics to do tech talks about is much easier (from their perspective)

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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most the time people complain about poor db performance, they really just need better schemas and queries

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Jan 13, 2008

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qhat posted:

Unless you're Google, this is always the case.

eh, i wouldn't be quite that reductive

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Jan 13, 2008

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qhat posted:

Making a change in big org: checkout the code, make change, then submit and let it move up the build into production.

Making a change in lovely startup: checkout the code, download prebuilt binaries from sourceforge/GitHub for your dependencies making sure not to download the wrong ones. Checkout the in-house git repo with the prebuilt binaries for the in-house code. Set up your filesystem/environment variables so that the project actually builds. Repeat this entire process until you are able to the get project to build. Make your changes making sure not to write any unit tests because at the end of the day QA will just find the bugs. Ship to QA when it compiles. Fight with QA for the next 2 months because your program is ultimately broken and they can't seem to replicate your build. When QA finally gets it working, blame them for the delay and then ship to customers. Then fight with them adinfinitum.

you seem to have this backwards

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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use the handcuffs as leverage in negotiating your new salary

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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i'm presuming that anywhere offering 85% of your salary in handcuffs isn't paying you six figures to start with

also, it's not just cash consideration (although if you really need the money then probably stay), but you can leverage it for bonuses, pto, stock, whatever.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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why not offer people a take-home problem or a live coding exercise.

tbh I’d go for the take-home every time, spending a weekend on some code is vastly preferable than having a timed thing or a live thing. I can pseudocode and whiteboard some poo poo out no problem but poo poo like “reimplement string tokenization” with no ide or google and you’re graded on correctness strikes me as incredibly dumb and a great way to self-select for people that memorize the stdlib but not much else.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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Athena is good if you have a few hundo tb of data in s3 buckets and you don’t want to reinvent the wheel on querying that data

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Jan 13, 2008

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FormatAmerica posted:

I sort of have the same question/seeking guidance on this.

I've been working @ the same place for 10 years, advancing from a non-technical role to a team lead w/ architecture responsibilities - we've been through some expansions & reorgs that have made work far less meaningful and productive than it once was and I don't think I can continue to struggle knowing what once was anymore.

So, looking to get started on the job hunt...but I don't really know where to start.

find every coworker you liked that has gone on to another job and see if they're hiring

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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ughh I’m about to fly out to SF for an interview and my imposter syndrome is raging out

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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woo, place that flew me out loved me and is moving forward. hopefully the offer doesn't suck. :toot:

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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getting an offer today and i think i'm gonna take it

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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i did indeed take it. 30% raise. :yotj:

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Jan 13, 2008

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qhat posted:

Nice. Time to buy a new car son.

yeah prolly, maybe a new Subaru

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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i forgot how to turn off 'i'm looking for a job' on linkedin so i keep getting recruiter spam

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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fwiw the job i just got (which is with a SF startup) had 0 coding challenges or other bullshit, it was a lot of "here's a problem we encountered, let's whiteboard the system and indicate how you'd fix <x> problem, what sort of tradeoffs are there, etc." and "talk about a project you've done, tell us about the problems you had, how did you debug things, etc."

it was very refreshing

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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they seem cool and i'm working remotely and it's not bullshit tech so i think i'll be fine

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Jan 13, 2008

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Blinkz0rz posted:

boston is cool but i've lived here for a long time and so i don't notice the lovely people or roads anymore

av/post combo

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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yeah, binding arbitration agreements went into everyone’s poo poo and if you haven’t re-upped your employee handbook this year or w/e it’ll probably be in there when you do

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Jan 13, 2008

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Pollyanna posted:

I still need to collect my thoughts over today’s interview but I still don’t understand what exactly we want, and I’m not convinced that our approach is appropriate for what I do know we want

aside from setting down ground rules for proctoring, and the fact that knight’s tour is not a good fit for a 45 minute timespan, it’s mostly a matter of “what the gently caress do we even want and how are we gonna get it”

yes, it’s hard, but the answer isn’t to give up and do stupid poo poo

i just looked up knights tour and lol. what does your company do again?

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Jan 13, 2008

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Pendragon posted:

I'm having to beat [...] recruiters off [...]

interesting strategy, pls report back

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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for real good luck tho

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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newjob trip report +1mo: 30% more money, no late nights, no 24/7 oncall, get to work on cool oss stuff rather than fighting with bad legacy applications, lots more speaking + writing opportunities, 100% remote and not a ton of travel. the futures so bright i gotta wear shades. thanks for the interview tips thrad. :toot:

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Jan 13, 2008

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Double Bill posted:

Are JavaScript developers commonly working for next to nothing, or is there oversupply of them now? Contacted by a :yayclod: company for full stack JS (not my favorite thing), comfortably passed the interviews and they completely lowballed the offer. Like so low its not even worth negotiating about. Serves me right for even considering doing JS, I suppose.

depends on the area, but there's a supply glut of JS devs thanks to bootcamps.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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what's the most decent place on the west coast to live

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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cool thanks. portland seems cool.

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Dijkstracula posted:

seattle circa 1999 hth

seems tricky

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