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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Flat Daddy posted:

this has turned into an onsite... now im feeling a lot of maybe false confidence because the phone screen was waaaay easy for what I would expect a faang interview to be. pls let the onsite just be fizz buzz somehow

I mean, a phone screen is basically 'is your resume a complete tissue of lies and you've never even actually seen a computer'. It's never a reliable barometer for the actual in person interview, I'm afraid.

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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Gotta say, a three month notice period for a junior guy is pretty unusual over here, btw. One month would be about standard. Tends to go up with more senior people, but three months is like 'lead developer' kind of levels. Of course, if it's a small startup, you run way more risk of the guy running it being some kind of powermad/unreasonable nutcase and there being noone else to hold him back from nutcasing like this.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Bloody posted:

lol if it isn't always two weeks for employees and 0 minutes for employers

I mean it can be that too. A year or so ago when I was still working at $large_employer, everyone who was on a PIP or had had a negative performance evaluation got called into HR and they were gone that afternoon. They probably got paid, though.

(Then said employer flat closed the entire office I worked at, making me redundant. I, too, got paid)

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

dragon enthusiast posted:

on one hand i appreciate them telling me up front that i shouldn't be getting my hopes up, but on the other hand lmao at "hey want to help us do crimes"

They don't want you to help them do crimes. They want nobody at all to apply; actually having to interview you would be a waste of time for them too.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Scionix posted:

just got laid off today :owned:

if anyone needs a ~2.5 year experience dev in mostly QA/automation, would appreciate any leads :love:

You uh might want to give an indication of where. I know a company in Adis Ababa thsts hiring!

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

qhat posted:

Ya that story that guy said makes perfect sense in the USA where there are basically no worker protections. In somewhere more civilized, the United Kingdom (lol) for example, unilaterally changing someone's job description is actually a pretty big deal since it can get you in trouble with the employment tribunal if that role is beyond what that person is capable of doing.

Except you can't actually go to an employment tribunal in your first two years in a given job. Thanks, literally all our national parties a decade ago!

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Xarn posted:

Wait, seriously?

From the horse's mouth

'You must have worked for your employer for a minimum period before you qualify for the right to claim unfair dismissal at a tribunal. If you’re classed as an employee and started your job:

on or after 6 April 2012 - the qualifying period is normally 2 years'

New Labour brought it in at one year some time back to encourage 'flexibility in the labour market', the Tory/Lib Dem coalition doubled it because 'does the name of our parties even attempt to suggest we care about workers' rights? gently caress you'.

Before the 2 year mark it's essentially the same deal as the US - you can be fired for anything or nothing bar absolutely blatant stuff like 'I am literally standing here telling you I'm sacking you for being black' and you just get to work out your notice period - which, granted, is more typically like a month or 6 weeks than the 2 weeks in the US (after you pass probation).

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Scionix posted:

"Really long hours. Mandatory overtime! Work/Life balance is pretty much non-existent. Once you join FAST, they think they own you and can dictate your schedule. You get paid well for your time, but you will never actually have the time to do anything with the money. If you are single and don't mind working and stashing money away for a few years then it is great, otherwise it can really suck. Clients can be very difficult and downright unreasonable. Project managers receive little to no training so some are good and others are really bad. Not much room for advancement due to relatively flat organizational structure (which is a really nice thing for reporting, just not for promotions)."

Is it a consultancy? I've worked for a couple of those and hated it both times. Consulting is Not For Me, apparently.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the financial services industry is already moving. thousands of job cuts in the last two years. count on that accelerating if brexit actually goes through

after brexit, london will be an EU-adjacent option instead of an EU financial center. it will join such world cities as lagos and istanbul.

good luck with that

Except the City cut a deal long since to deal with that?

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

all of that is temporary and uncertain

a stop gap in case the brexit process goes haywire

not to mention even if waivers to eu rules were made permanent, the hard border and visa rules would still make London relatively unattractive vis a vis Paris or frankfurt

Why would they remove the stopgap, ever, if stability is what everyone wants? I mean, assuming that things do go haywire, because if they don't a formal agreement with much the same effect will presumably have been reached anyway. If a deal has been set up between the sensible adults and it works why would said sensible adults then gently caress with it? And lol if you think senior banking staff are going to have much trouble getting visas no matter what.

Also, don't individual bankers p much hate the idea of living in Frankfurt instead of London?

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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

being a sensible adult sounds great, but britain decided to vote against that route.

British politicians did (given we're discussing No Deal). We are talking about bankers, talking to other bankers.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Private Speech posted:

Yeah this is my experience for the UK too, sometimes the test is on site instead but take homes are quite common. From what other people have told me assessment centres are used by some of the bigger companies as well, I've never had that misfortune yet though.

Hmm, my UK experience is usually - non-technical chat with HR person/internal recruiter; quick phone/Skype screen (an hour or so maybe) with questions to establish things like 'do I know how endianness works' or fizzbuzz or w/e; then in-person interview for half a day or so. I don't know if the fact that I'm not in London, or that I'm an experienced senior-level guy and not a newbie, make any difference here, though.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

hobbesmaster posted:

it may sound shocking to americans but in europe you generally cannot fire people on a whim

i'm sure brexit will take care of that though

In Britain you can already fire people on a whim within their first two years of employment (because you can't go to an employment tribunal until then). Thank you New Labour, Tories and Liberal Democrats!

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

pathetic little tramp posted:

I just got a recruiter who calls me at work. This is apparently a new thing.

I've had them call, leave a voicemail, email to tell me so then text to ask me to check my email.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Boiled Water posted:

Not a chance. A company that's terrible to work with and in will make terrible decisions. If you really wanna go apply out and go. Isn't getting a job in the commonwealth pretty ok?

With a couple of small exceptions, there are no breaks when it comes to immigration between Commonwealth countries. The Empire is no longer a thing.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Pryor on Fire posted:

Have a backup plan, even if you're really at your job nobody is going to hire you as a developer past 40 or so.

I mean, sucks to be you, but I don't think this true in general at all.

(Granted a) I work in embedded and b) I'm not in Silicon Valley)

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

raminasi posted:

if you actually cannot think of a single reason you could potentially be interested in the work then you’re going to have a bad time even if they hire you. like if your entire train of thought is “ugh, it’s not like they’re google” then a busted process may not be the main problem here.

It really isn't. Check out the last couple of pages of the Oldie Programmers thread in the CoC.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

qhat posted:

It's already suspended. That whole country is hosed from the ground up.

No it isn't (yet), it's on recess i.e. on holiday. Yes, the timing's great, isn't it.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

dc3k posted:

why do recruiters give me no information on what the company is or does and a paragraph about investors and where they used to work. what the hell do I care about any of that?



The theory that they pick startup winners and thus your stock options will be worth :20bux:

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Sleng Teng posted:

I came to learn last week that management will probably tell me to move to an office in another city with a significant CoL increase. this will be without any bump or relocation assistance or anything.

seeing as I don't want to live in this other city at all, and there are some glaring danger signs anyway, I'm now on the job hunt again. but since I'm still green I figured I might ask more experienced people here: am I out of line for hoping for anything at all if I'm told to move from one office to another? seems lovely to not offer anything at all and I'm essentially taking a significant pay cut

I had this happen to me.

I told them to shove it and got a job somewhere else in the same new city that was willing to pay what the local cost of living deserved.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Sooo I'm a fairly experienced/senior embedded C++ and Linux guy and it looks like I'm moving to London since my wife has landed a job in Stratford. Any job market advice from London goons?

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

EIDE Van Hagar posted:

arm has a weird personality test they make you take for pre-interview

Must be new and/or for junior people, I don't remember this.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Sapozhnik posted:

args aren't normally passed on the stack on any widely-used architecture any more now that 32-bit x86 is essentially dead

Depends on how many args. x86-64 on Windows passes the first four integer arguments in registers and printf is one of those functions when you often use more than that.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Private Speech posted:

e: I'd move to figgieland to get paid better if the visas weren't so stringent, so just blame Trump or whoever

I might eventually anyway, Britain is a dump

Definitely 'eventually'. We arent welcome in America right now. Might give them the 'rona or something.

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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

carry on then posted:

it's a senior role at a fast-paced startup--concrete contributions are expected day 1

If they literally expect this instead of it being hyperbole they are insane and you should not work for them. You'll spend day 1 setting up your dev environment, maybe reading some docs if you're lucky!

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