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Achmed Jones posted:all the recruiter spam either wants me to come in to the office, the pay doesn't work for me, or some combination. I've been looking in the Northeast for a while (not at the FAANG /avg yospos-er level, but still software jobs) and every recruiter without fail is peddling for jobs that are either: 1: Hybrids with majority in person work for no loving reason at all that they will not budge on 2: Terribly paid contract gigs (ones that convert to what's essentially the FTE equivalent pay but with few if any additional benefits) This is a causal relation. Of course these gigs are the ones they need recruiters to try to pound the pavement to fill, because these are poo poo jobs no one wants, and your typical average high-salary STEM candidate can sit tight for a while. If the companies capitulated on the remote requirement, they could fill the job yesterday with a highly qualified candidate. But they gotta keep have butts in seats for all the irrelevant middle managers to glower at. I am starting to wonder if the 2024 job search world is so broken that they intentionally have a hybrid requirement just to keep the number of applicants down. But that is probably ascribing way too much brains to the average hiring manager. Is there a job listings thread in yospos? I was linked here from BFC and didn't see one, but I may have missed it in the matrix colors.
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Dijkstracula posted:Yeah, I'm in the process of talking to a tier-or-two-under-a-FAANG company rn whose offices used to be in SF but relocated for tax avoidance reasons to South SF (The Industrial City!) nowhere close to BART or CalTrain, and trying to explain to the recruiter that "making me get in a privately-owned motor vehicle and sit in traffic on a freeway" is probably a dealbreaker is shockingly hard to get through God, I cannot get recruiters to understand that if it's a hybrid position, I need to know the specific address and the number of in-person expected before it's even worth my time to deign to talk to you.
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Speaking of which: I am considering expanding my skillset. I don't know if I want to pay 5 grand for some cert, so I might start out with some self-directed YouTube learning, even if it's just for my own personal benefit. I'm a C# dev, primarily in the backend, with some varied experiences all over the stack. The things I am thinking about are: Python (zero experience) AI/ML (know the raw academic basics, never used before) Advanced SQL / RDB Concepts (5 years of writing SQL, but never got much into design or any DBA level stuff) DevOps (off and on for 3 years, nothing official) Azure (off and on for 3 years, nothing official) Git (I am woefully poo poo at this, just pull, push and merge, the rest is too scary) I hate Javascript so I don't really want to try and learn it again, because they I might need to take a job where I have to actually use it. Also, Cybersecurity seems like an entirely different field so probably not for someone who wants to remain in development, but correct me if I'm wrong.
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Blinkz0rz posted:any thoughts on identifying shipped features by name? i'm redoing my resume and realized that most of my big accomplishments recently are designing and delivering visible features that customers interact with. benefit i can think of is that it's easier to frame business impact but maybe tougher for the resume reviewer to contextualize? i'm not sure how i'd view it if i saw a resume with that kind of thing on it. I'm no resume expert, but I try to imagine the reader who doesn't know anything about your career expertise or your employer's business domain. Even if they can understand the feature, will they be likely to identify the impressiveness of an accomplishment via its name?
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Deviant posted:i feel like i'm being disrespected and having my time wasted. That's because you are. This reminds me of when a past team of mine was interviewing for a junior position (~2 years experience). We specifically included the line "You can use Google" because it turns out you're allowed to do that in the real world.
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For interviewing take home exams my policy is: It better not take more than an hour. I'm not being loving paid for this, and I have other poo poo to do, including other interviews and other take homes. Also, please encapsulate it on some web portal like Coderpad so we don't have to gently caress with repos and getting your messages telling me "it doesn't work on my machine"
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Got my rejection for my deepest interview sequence in a while yet. I'm annoyed but I'm trying not to be. It's not my responsibility to prevent these people from making the mistake of not hiring me.
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Someone somewhere on the forums linked to https://hiring.cafe/ which has been a decent site for me. I've also found https://app.welcometothejungle.com/ to be decent (it's for startups, I think). On top of them, LinkedIn sucks a lot more now than it used to but it's still okay, Indeed is still strong as is ZipRecruiter. Dice is okay-ish still, but has done downhill. I say these sites are decent, but I have not landed a job off of any application in 5 years. My two last gigs were unsolicited contacts from recruiters. edit: Quoting from the last page so it's not missed: KoRMaK posted:strategy for LinkedIn: setup some saved searches targeting exactly the role you want, with and without including preferred language and see what the results yield. if they look like they're returning what you want, setup an alert so you get them soon after a job gets posted, and more importantly manually look at the search results for the stuff you care about once every two to four hours, you'll have a higher success rate prioritizing jobs that have less than 40 to 50 "x people applied" label in their header.
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Anyone complaining about hiring right now can do themselves a favor and hire me, the obvious best candidate.
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Apr 17, 2025 19:45
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New one on me today: one where you not only had to put in your previous experience manually, but you also had to select the company from a dropdown. There was no option for "Not on the list." 
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Apr 21, 2025 22:39
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Today's annoyance: a first-level screener with a technically-illiterate moron who I have to try to convince not to discard my resume for a listing I am well suited towards because they're too loving stupid to realize it is fine. Cool. Cool cool.
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Like all nerd discussions, it boils down to a discussion of SigFigs: Significant Figgies.
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rotor posted:you possess free will and are not bound to follow the advice. Hah, that's where you're wrong. I'm a determinist. 
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Just saw a job posting that had Myers–Briggs type requirements edit: Then just got called by a place wanting to pay below entry level salary for someone with 5 years experience. If you're gonna do that, why even post the loving job? Magnetic North fucked around with this message at 14:25 on May 9, 2025 |
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What's the gooncensus on a "paid trial week" for a senior or higher position? I've only ever seen it for lower experience positions. This is a company that responded to an application with an assessment request (less than one hour, so I'll tolerate that) and mentioned the week in the email with that assessment request. I'm US-ian, if it matters.
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elbkaida posted:How's that supposed to work for someone who is in a job and looking to move? Do they only hire unemployed people? Please ask them that and report back tia Yeah, that was the immediate response my wife had as well. It was an automated response so I have not spoken to a human about it. Clark Nova posted:I imagine the answer is that you're supposed to be so stoked for a chance to try out at <company that uses ai to generate new dog treat flavors> that you'll quit your old job immediately Well, it is an AI company  Yeah I am getting less and less enthused about this, but I've emailed them for clarification. If anything lolworthy arrives, I'll share.
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DELETE CASCADE posted:california law adds way more protected classes on top of the federal ones, as my yearly harassment training course repeatedly reminds me Gotta keep those harassment skills sharp. I've heard that 3rd graders in *country we're afraid of this week* are already harassing at 9th grade levels
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Maybe if modern development improvements like TDD and CI/CD really catch on, we can finally be free of the fear around legacy code and bwa ha ha ha ha HA HA HA ha ha ha hooo *wipes tear from eye* I couldn't keep a straight face, I'm sorry.
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rotor posted:just get copilot to write all your failing tests first  Here is your failing test. "Assert.Fail();"
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Doubleposting like a champ: Cool cool cool I just got a coding assessment for a job that I have not talked to a human being regarding. It takes over 90 minutes and requires weird GitHub integration and requiring pulling down a repository. That's very cool and respectful of my time.
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Tunicate posted:That's a known malware vector, the idea is to get interviewees to execute arbitary code via fake job postings I hadn't thought of that. I honestly think free labor or free data are more likely but who loving knows? Potential malware is a perfectly good reason to not do that, outside of everything else.
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Frozen Peach posted:Does the job market suck any less than it did 9 months ago? Probably not. Having been looking for basically those entire nine months, I'm sorry to say it's probably worse. Good luck out there. 
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Roosevelt posted:fed up with my current job status, i set up a linkedin account and now i have an email from a recruiter in my inbox. all he said was "blah blah here's a job that would be a great fit for you blah blah blah. if you’d like to discuss this further, feel free to reply to this email or we can set up a time to chat." i have litterally never talked to a recruiter before. i haven't tried looking for a job in eight years. how do i deal with this guy? what am i supposed to ask him? what is he going to ask me? Did they send you title and job description? What about the type of work (full time, part time, direct hire, contract, W2, 1099)? What about the remote work policy (remote, hybrid, in-office) and location if relevant? What's the pay? Benefits? I try to extract that kind of info cold contacts from recruiters, and I don't accept having a phone call until they've given me enough info to pique my curiosity. (Sometimes external recruiters will be prohibited from sharing certain info, so you might need to be flexible.) Lots of these people appear to work on some sort of "number of people contacted" compensation or something. They don't give a gently caress about wasting your time because their time is worthless. Believe me, even if you gate your unsolicited contacts, you will still get lots of recruiters who waste your time and tell you they won't send you forward because something in the JD is 100% required but it's not written like it is. If you do get on a call, they will almost certainly just be a speed pump. They'll ask you direct questions related to the JD. "Do you have *quotes the JD you already read* five. years. as. a. chocolate. teacup. maker." Just answer as honestly as you feel is appropriate, but always remain positive. You're the only one who will advocate for you, so you need to make sure they think you're worth passing on. It's not typically too hard for a recruiter drone, but it's harder when they're an old white guy who's been doing it for 20 years and seems to think they're in control. Unless you're absolutely destitute, they are not in control. You are. (For more on that, look up BATNA.) If they ask you what your salary expectations are, dodge that question if at all possible. Make them give you a range first. If they want you to say first, it's because they want to underpay you. For more on how to do approach this, go check out the Negotiation thread and the Resume and Interviewing thread for more. They're good goons out there.
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StumblyWumbly posted:Definitely ask the folks you interview with about their vacation plans and history, This. I once joined a company in August and there was no one around to onboard me.
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Doubleposting like a champ because I just saw a posted position with a range covering nearly 100K. As in, if the lowest pay was 60K, the range was listed as 60K-159K. 
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Tell him to jam a pipeline up his loving rear end
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Been an annoying week on the whole 'contacts from poo poo gigs' department. First, I get pinged for a position I applied to in loving May, so I have no loving idea what's going on there. Then, I get sent a code assessment from an application without a previous contact beside my application. Now, that already annoys me, because I would like to have a screen or conversation about the position before I proceed with the stupid pet tricks. What's worse is these people want me to download some thing, do some code, and rezip it in fifteen loving minutes. gently caress right off. If it was some timed quiz on a web platform for the same amount of time, I probably would still actually to do the loving thing since at least it's quick and respectful of my time. By putting that short of a timer on it and asking me to download a stranger's code, it makes me think this is actually some loving malware or some poo poo and they're using a scammer tactic to make me panic and hurry.
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I like it when I get a word problem that makes no sense if you understand the use case the scenario is trying to portray. It means you get penalized if you complicate things with "understanding" and "logic" but you succeed if you're a thoughtless code cranking drone. 
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If I was confident this was a test to get me to prove I understand the elicitation of requirements, I'd have honestly appreciated it. Every time I've come across it, it's been because they did not think about their test very much. You can tell the difference because the answer does not change if you mention it.
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Cool cool nice a loving two hour technical interview where the questions were unclear and stupid algo cargo cult bullshit while using websites that barely loving worked and then they wanted to give me homework after it. gently caress you. Despite evidence to the contrary, I have my self respect.
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There's just a glut of candidates. Not having a bachelor's probably isn't helping, but I've got a bachelor's and years of experience, and it's still just tough sledding for everyone out there. Whether completing a bachelor's at this point is worth it will largely depend on how secure you are financially.
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Yeah, I can't speak for the UK specifically but Indeed is getting real enshittified lately, so I mostly use LinkedIn and Hiring.cafe and occasionally Ziprecruiter.
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