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carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

lmao people are actually going to report to him

he is going to have power over people

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Jul 10, 2010

Emacs Headroom posted:

i imagine its banks or crusty old monoliths like IBM that its normal to wear a suit?

not that I have anything against it (suits are comfortable, and nice suits are very stylish), ive just never even been inside a place like that in my short career in the tech biz

it's not even normal at ibm, at least in the development labs

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Jul 10, 2010

The Management posted:

anyone who mentions grades gets an eye roll from me and then I turn up the difficulty of my technical questions.

you sound like the kind of guy who thought homework was beneath you and got Cs, and are now permanently bitter about anyone who showed up and actually did what was asked

it's a loving co-op position, grades are one of the few things they can actually talk about

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010
co-op is another term for internship, at least at my company

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

The Management posted:

dude, take a deep breath.

Iíve yet to see any correlation between grades and career skill. Iíve interviewed people with straight Aís at top schools that couldnít answer basic questions about computers and I know dropouts who are some of the best engineers Iíve met (and the opposite as well). I can see where a still in college kid would think grades mean something. but they donít.

so you're going to penalize them? when i was in college i was working part time and doing what was asked of me on every assignment. sorry i didn't spend every waking hour developing a bestselling app as a one man show at the same time

but i wasn't going to stanford, so i guess i wouldn't have been in front of you anyway

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010
first, i'm talking about internship interviews, so if you aren't let's just drop this talking past each other fest

second, help me get this straight: i'm supposed to blow off my core classes and barely pass, so that i can spend all my time working on spare projects that are basically jobs, in order to get to an interview where you grill me on concepts covered in those classes i'm blowing off to get into the interview. if instead i decide to take those same classes seriously and have less time for my own projects, my resume will be thrown in the trash. how am i, as someone seeking an internship, supposed to be able to get past this?

carry on then fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Jan 27, 2018

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

Boiled Water posted:

having a ton of poo poo to show off on github is a million times more impressive than an A+ in algorithm design from university.

the order is view applications is likely resume -> github -> cover letter -> anything else -> grades

another problem with grades is you have to know the context with which they are given, what they mean at a given institution and the quality of said institution which unless youíve been there or have firsthand experience is really difficult to gage.

i wasn't talking about the initial application. someone posted that if an internship applicant mentions to them that coursework is a focus day-to-day, they automatically ask the hardest technical questions to embarrass them

carry on then fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jan 27, 2018

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010
it is hilarious to me that the same people who are so adamant about only working 9-5 and not touching a computer outside those hours expect applicants to be programming 24/7 while working and going to school

and then complain when they only work with social awkward sperglords

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Jul 10, 2010

Bloody posted:

asking someone to implement a lock free queue in an interview could be interesting because it can be interesting to see how somebody flails in a high-pressure situation where they know they are going to fail

ďi donít know what that isĒ

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Jul 10, 2010

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

Timed coding test is hella red flag

"you will be expected to meet unreasonable, unchangeable deadlines you never agreed to"

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

only as a refresher, it's hell trying to self teach new material out of that thing

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Jul 10, 2010

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

how tf do you graduate with a cs degree and be literally unable to program? did i accidentally go to a good school or something?

i wonder this frequently




northern arizona: top 50????

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Jul 10, 2010

Dongslayer. posted:

i was chatting with an old high school pal and he has been programming for four five years and makes six figgies. i had to be explain inheritance to him and im a fuckwad just getting into upper division courses. how? is basic knowledge really this selective in computer jobs?

i knew a few other students who could easily end up like this because they were passable programmers but absolutely positively did not care about any material that did not interest them personally. like, sit in class with arms folded, bad mouth profs with careers older than they were, etc.

turns out they're terrible to work with too!

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

it's p nice here

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Jul 10, 2010
if you aren't hired out of college into a chief architect position at a fortune 500 your career is already at a dead end

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

ADINSX posted:

Is it though? The whole point of a declarative language like SQL is that I don't give a gently caress how the tables are joined, I just want them joined like this. Some dorks in the 70s figured out the best way to do it, and as a sex-having brogrammer I benefit from their effort.

if the interviewer doesnít ask what your lifting program is you should pass immediately

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Jul 10, 2010

St Evan Echoes posted:

company has been crowing about how amazing the new building is going to be, every conceivable facility for 450 people over 3 floors

it has 1 (one) meeting room

how many bathrooms it have?

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Jul 10, 2010
they made about half of our "huddle rooms" worthless by putting in lounge chairs and no tables lmao

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Jul 10, 2010

qhat posted:

Bought the book Cracking the Coding Interview today because I've had many people recommend it. So far I've not seen any problems that I wouldn't know every solution for in about a minute. It scares me that this drivel is recommended material for people to base interviews on too.

was there a point with this post or were you just going for the usual ego massage you usually crave?

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Jul 10, 2010

Shaman Linavi posted:

ive showed up to interviews in purple or rainbow shirts and got the stink eye
i think i need to go buy some white shirts since i don't have any that fit anymore

ah yes, the "birthday cake"

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Jul 10, 2010

TimWinter posted:

What's an svp?

seŮor vice president

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Jul 10, 2010

Pollyanna posted:

full communism and just retribution against all privileged computermen now cocksuckers

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Jul 10, 2010
our continuous integration build takes ~ 8hours i think, runs well over 50,000 tests

of course, before release we run the supported operating environments suite, which takes 150 vms and even more time.

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Jul 10, 2010
i've never gotten a recruiting email in my life. whoops.

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Jul 10, 2010
the ability to bring someone with you is for people are aren't such complete losers that they don't have a significant other

go alone

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Jul 10, 2010

Symbolic Butt posted:

tbf isn't this like pretty much every IT company, computer touchers are bad etc

it's yospos

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Jul 10, 2010

Bloody posted:

how the gently caress do i do a phone screen im supposed to screen someone this week

ask them what they are doing to bring about the fall of capitalism

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Jul 10, 2010

adobe utopia supremacy

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Jul 10, 2010
just hand in the batch job to render your latex to a pdf on a stack of punch cards

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Jul 10, 2010

Steve Jorbs posted:

Well, Super should drop the super or go by a pseudonym then. Just explain the situation when it comes time for a background check and onboarding.

s. dan fleming

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Jul 10, 2010

jit bull transpile posted:

ooh, did you have it read and write depth first so you always had the parent of the node you were reading or writing one up the stack?

ugh gently caress, my first thought was to do it breadth first like an array representation of a binary tree but this is obviously the answer

how the gently caress am i employed?

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Jul 10, 2010

ADINSX posted:

well ok but they're gonna have to get their own forums account for my frequent YOSPOS breaks, I'm not sharing mine

pair programming
pair trace log reading
pair git unfucking
pair email reading
pair slack chatting
pair company time pooping

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010
look, all that matters is that everyone is exactly like me, so they better be doing exactly what i do

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Jul 10, 2010

Ciaphas posted:

ok is this an injoke because it sounds like good readin if so

the thing is that it really doesn't apply, you don't have one thing ur spending $texas on but a bunch of stuff that's a little higher than it probably could be if you shopped around for a better deal

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Jul 10, 2010

feedmegin posted:

:cawg:

Penury. Sure. Those dudes can afford to actually own their own houses, dude.

are you surprised a new york finance guy is completely out of touch with anyone who isnít exactly him?

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Jul 10, 2010

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

here is a tour of ibm india campuses thanks to google image search. they seriously have 60 or 80 towers in india, 100% ibm. obviously i couldn't get photos of all of them

  • IBM Karnatka

    I love this one because it's adjacent to a brand-new golf course that was DEFINITELY NOT BUILT FOR IBM, because that would be graft.

    This is funny because IBM closed the official IBM golf course and country club in New York in 2010. (Probably not enough executives or software developers left to buy memberships!)


  • IBM Bangalore (1)

    Bangalore is the de facto headquarters for IBM.


  • IBM Bangalore (2 -- on a different campus)


  • IBM Bangalore (3 -- same campus as 2)


  • IBM Chennai (Madras)

    this is a satellite office for ibm india, and it's still a whole campus


  • Not pictured: Calcutta, Pune, etc etc etc

you are obsessed with india and itís kind of weird

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

Fart Johnson posted:

I hear this complaint a lot. Do some people have zero social contact outside of their co-workers? I have a wife and friends I'd prefer to socialize with. I like my teammates but can't imagine missing them or feeling depressed because we aren't sitting side by side, lol.

sitting in total silence and isolation for 8 hours a day five days a week isn't fun, even if you have other things to do outside of that. you miss out on impromptu shoot the poo poo sessions, having lunch with someone, even just being able to walk over to someone and talk to them if you need to instead of reaching out over slack/webex/phone call. plus, being physically present allows you to possibly overhear things you otherwise wouldn't and not being there makes you feel more out of the loop

none of this applies if this doesn't happen and/or you hate your coworkers though

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Jul 10, 2010

Fart Johnson posted:

I get where you're coming from, although I don't share the sentiments. On my team we're spread across multiple states so there's really no "loop" to be left out of. All of our communication is async outside of teleconferencing. I once worked on a team at Wells Fargo (red flag I know) and we were all co-located with no remote work. Having no remote option and people walking up to chat constantly felt like I could never concentrate. Also felt like 90% of convos weren't work-related, it was all just the illusion of looking busy to please management.

At home, I feel like things are far more results oriented. If I have stuff to get done, I get it done and it's obvious if I didn't. If I have some slow days, I just kick back or step away for a bit without feeling guilty. In the office it felt like you had to pretend to be busy if you weren't. Again, these experiences are at non-tech companies, so their software culture is mostly garbage.

thatís my point, some people can do the 8 to 5 alone, others need contact, most fall somewhere in the middle. id probably go insane with an office of one so i donít seek out full time remote, but my office culture is actually decent so maybe itís better than being pissed off all day

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

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jesus christ

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Jul 10, 2010
the worst part of side projects is hitting that stupid sticking point about an hour in where something won't build right or interact with something else properly and you've been googling for twice as long as you've been actually making progress and looking down the barrel at even more time spent reading logs and trace and just give up right then

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