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carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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DELETE CASCADE posted:

pretty fun to watch carry on then transition from "all computer touchers must die" to... whatever this is

wish i knew earlier that i lived rent-free in your head, could have saved some money


Corla Plankun posted:

just gently caress around on personal projects way more until you feel comfortable interviewing for whatever jobs you actually want

not really sure a few personal projects can make up for nearly a decade of experience that apparently qualifies me for insta-rejection

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carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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Achmed Jones posted:

developing an application used in a web stack is not necessarily the same as knowing how to develop a web application. target your search accordingly.

i mean, this was the original question, it's come up in at least one thread here that lots of places think developers can only be frontend or backend and absolutely must have a list of specific skills within that binary, and how do i handle being in a role outside that binary. then it turned to "you actually don't have any valid experience at all, what you've worked on is a net negative in the eyes of interviewers" so now i have to figure out how to work with that.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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Achmed Jones posted:

this is how your problem reads to me: hey i don't have unreal or unity experience, but all these gamedev jobs want unreal or unity experience. all my experience is in embedded. what should i do?

so go work at a faang. poo poo out some algorithms with java and youll be fine

so that's it, career progression over at midlevel, sorry, enjoy hopping between internal services basements at consultants with no career growth? i'm assuming my experience means i'm unhireable at a faang regardless of role if it's being described as a complete hindrance with no upsides.

like, if what i'm working on is so bad that it would literally be better if i just left the last 9 years of my life off my resume, why the hell do i need to be trying interviews if i'll just be rejected before i reach the phone screen at every place on the planet?

carry on then fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jan 19, 2023

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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Achmed Jones posted:

yup that's definitely what i said. chill out chicken little. go try an interview and see what happens

lmao. kinda difficult with no valid experience. would you accept my resume for an interview? gonna guess the answer is no.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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bob dobbs is dead posted:

just say java dev instead of websphere specifically is what achmed was sayin

"what did you work on for the last 9 years?"

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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well for the first time since 2014 i need to write a resume, my college one probably sucked and is going to be completely different anyway, so i want to start over. what's the best place to get a starting point for one? i checked the ops of threads across the forums but didn't see anything up to date.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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Achmed Jones posted:

CARRY ON THEN

Java specialist with over ____ years of experience writing critical code with an interest in ____________.

SKILLS

Proficient: bash, golang, knife-fighting, terraform
Expertise: java, petting dogs

EXPERIENCE

Job 1

Title 2 - two years ago - present
Touched computers and led the team and stuff and made lots of money

Title 1 - eight years ago - two years ago
Touched computers in the way that i was told, made less money

SELECTED OSS PROJECTS

* buttfarter - CLI tool that farts the butts (omit if you dont have them)

TALKS AND PRESENTATIONS

(omit if you dont have them)

* farting butts at scale - Bumfuck Java Conference 1999

EDUCATION

(omit if you don't have a BA)

CERTIFICATIONS

(omit if you don't have any)

thanks, just needed the outline. for talks and presentations, i was a regular on a small community webcast where we demoed how to do things or new releases of our tool, is that worth listing under talks or is that pretty much conferences only?

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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alright, first bit I need review help with (and yes, I promise not to argue and just make changes). I need to compact my experience section, it's taking too much space. should i be breaking it out by title like this? it was two promotions but all on the same team, although as it hopefully shows i grew my responsibilities significantly (heard today that i was expected to take over as team architect when the current one retired next year until i got laid off lmao). i'm also concerned about the titles themselves, as they don't mean the same things they do elsewhere (especially staff, which is just one level above entry-level here but like super high up elsewhere).

quote:

Advisory Software Developer, IBM; Rochester, MN — 2022–Present
Contributed to design, development, and socialization of new features for migration tools to enable modernization of complex environments. Conducted public and client-requested virtual presentations to demo new features in our tools and gather user feedback. Mentored team members to handle client support cases, while also resolving client issues. Optimized build and test infrastructure to cut overall tool build times in half, and learned Ansible to automate provisioning of team infrastructure.

Staff Software Developer, IBM; Rochester, MN — 2018-2021
Designed and developed graphical user interface for cloud migration wizard. Proposed capability of saving and resuming cloud migrations based on wizard flow. Worked closely with team architect to prototype, then deliver configuration migration support to application migration tool, significantly improving quality of translated WebSphere configuration in existing upstream tools. Created automation to translate application migration rules to Konveyor project tool’s format and used it to contribute WebSphere to Open Liberty migration rules to that project. Provided client support. Provided department mentoring in git and Salesforce during organizational transitions.

Software Developer, IBM; Rochester, MN — 2014-2017
Assisted in delivering clone migration features to allow zero-downtime version upgrades for WebSphere users as part of major version release. Developed user interface for clone migration in migration graphical wizards for both distributed platforms and z/OS, including updating JCL job templates generated for mainframe users. Assisted team members in diagnosing and resolving client issues.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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rotor posted:

beats workin imo

teaching is basically 75% of how i learn things

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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quote:

Advisory Software Developer, IBM; Rochester, MN — 2022–Present
Researched, designed, and developed new configuration migration features to enable modernization of complex environments to OpenShift. Led socialization of new capabilities in upstream product and developed sample demo scenario. Optimized build and test infrastructure to cut overall tool build times in half, and learned Ansible to automate provisioning of team infrastructure. Conducted public and client-requested virtual presentations to demo new features in our tools and gather user feedback. Mentored team members to handle client support cases, while also resolving client issues.

Staff Software Developer, IBM; Rochester, MN — 2018-2021
Created automation to translate application migration rules to Konveyor project tool’s format and used it to contribute WebSphere to Open Liberty migration rules to that project. Provided client support. Designed and developed graphical user interface for cloud migration wizard. Proposed capability of saving and resuming cloud migrations based on wizard flow. Prototyped and delivered areas of configuration migration support to application migration tool, significantly improving quality of translated WebSphere configuration in existing upstream tools. Provided department mentoring in git and Salesforce during organizational transitions. Provided client support and delivered new features to meet client needs.

Software Developer, IBM; Rochester, MN — 2014-2017
Delivered key features for new clone migration strategy to allow zero-downtime version upgrades for WebSphere users as part of major version release. Developed user interface for clone migration in migration graphical wizards for both distributed platforms and z/OS, including updating JCL job templates generated for mainframe users. Provided client support.

is this better? i want to make sure i emphasize the complex environments piece in my current role because it was my biggest deliverable of 2022. i wound up doing most of the research into the configuration we needed to convert and implementing that conversion, but the overall "design" as we considered it was done collaboratively in meetings rather than delegated, so it's very hard to say i "led" any of it even though i was probably talking the most during those meetings. then i did take the lead in socializing the capability we enabled in a product that consumes us, not only giving presentations but also coming up with the sample applications and the end-to-end demo scenario, so i split those out again.

i still have too much stuff to fit on one page in the template i'm using now. i don't think the other template will help, but i can try it later after i install mactex again and remember enough latex to get everything copied over. currently have a summary, skills, experience, selected open source, talks, education, and awards, and the last two don't fit. can drop awards for sure (they're all company stuff, nothing third party), but education probably needs to fit.

carry on then fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Apr 19, 2023

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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Mantle posted:

I can't find his thread, but these are some changes in the style of resume goon guy Parahexasomething? I recommend working with him to polish it off but this is the kind of thing he is good at.

hmm, this makes me concerned i'm not communicating some things clearly since these suggestions aren't quite true to what i've done. i'm a bit concerned if i'm that terse, i'll come across as having done more than i can back up in an interview.

i'll check him out. i get some resume reviewing through a part of my severance, so i'll send my current draft through that, compare all this, and then hit him up. the edited resumes are getting mixed reviews from teammates getting theirs back, but one of the complaints was "they abridged too much of my roles 10 years ago" so maybe it could be decent

thanks everyone, this is a huge help, i went from staring at a blank page for days to a draft i'm pretty confident in in just a few hours

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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The Fool posted:

while good advice, you also need to make sure you are capable of talking about the thing when asked about it in the interview

oh for sure, i just initially was entirely truthful and put assisted any time i didn't do everything myself. the current draft i got rid of all uses of those except for the final mention of client support as a new hire because i didn't ever do more than help someone else with cases and it hopefully shows progression into my next promo where i did do them on my own, then the promo after that where i was effectively support lead

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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ok next question: outgoing total comp for me was 150k (all salary, no bonus or rsus although i did get some late last year to the tune of 15k vesting per year which i won't see a dime of) for 8 years experience at a senior-equivalent band level. trying to figure out a guess as to what my outlook might be in this market, assuming i don't end up in california, seattle, or new york. not really sure levels.fyi is going to give an accurate picture given i'm looking in a recession

carry on then fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Apr 21, 2023

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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Achmed Jones posted:

there's an apply link for a backend engineer for 'high touch', whatever that is. comp is 170-220. carry on then, you must apply to that job before the end of the day. that is your task. i do not want to hear why it's no use, or why you won't get the job, or why you aren't qualified, or anything else like that. submit your resume and, if there's a spot for it, a cover letter by sundown.

if you do not do it, there will be severe consequences*

* i will be annoyed at you and probably give you poo poo about it

just to be clear, you want me to apply to a senior-level position at a series b startup primarily working in typescript and go and focusing heavily on databases, monitoring, and big data, none of which i have any background in whatsoever?

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carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

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there's not lining up perfectly, and then there's a venn diagram that's just two circles. i am literally staring at the application page now. it is asking me "Why do you think you're a great fit for this role?" i'm not a good fit for this role!!! it's a senior role at a fast-paced startup--concrete contributions are expected day 1, but i would need a year to learn all these concepts and languages and environments. and this isn't just me saying oh they'll for sure ignore me. what does it say about them if they actually hire me, given go and database expertise isn't exactly hard to come by?

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