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my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Notorious b.s.d. posted:

if you poke through this thread a bit you can find a list of leading questions written by tef, a chronically unemployed but highly perceptive yosposter, that can help you get more useful information out of the interview

I think it was rex-goliath unless itís another post youíre thinking of

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my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Valeyard posted:

Company A said yes, will get a call from them tomorrow to see what their offer is

:yotj:

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


b0lt posted:

any company that unironically uses 'sdlc' is terrible

youíd prefer companies you work for not give any thought to how software is created?

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


qhat posted:

Making a change in big org: checkout the code, make change, then submit and let it move up the build into production.


unfortunately for me, i can tell you definitively this is not how it goes at many big orgs :(

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Sapozhnik posted:

the good thing about working for an established business is being a very small cog in a very large machine
the bad thing about working for an established business is being a very small cog in a very large machine

startups are more likely to give you interesting work, unfortunately you'll get an uneven mix of the good and bad kinds of interesting (spoilers it's mostly the bad kind)

the hard problems I was solving at the "startup" I was working at were mostly technical

the hard problems I'm solving now are mostly organizational

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


recruiter asked me what it would take for me to take a role. the answer is obviously $$$, but is there a way to phrase that more professionally?

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


if you donít understand the impact a couple bad hires can have on a team, then you should consider yourself lucky. they are almost always a greater negative than a good hire is positive and tend to be much more persistent as well

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


the talent deficit posted:

they want to know how often your manager talks to you and how many meetings you have to go to

also expected work hours

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


uncurable mlady posted:

getting an offer today and i think i'm gonna take it

:yotj:

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


thinkin bout interviewing

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


ci&rs: trying to play it cool when recruiters are mentioning massive figgies

*loud gulp* uh yeah that sounds about what Iím looking for

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


interviewing and job hunting is garbage

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


meatpotato posted:

i went to an on-site and wasn't asked to do any whiteboard coding :wtf:
they just asked me questions about my experience and asked me to explain a few technologies i'm familiar with

fwiw this was my first job and it ended up being alright

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Iím at my worst programming-wise when people are watching me do it. Pairing is so valuable for juniors or people new to the team though

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


any qs you should be asking to interviewers that are specific to consultancies?

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine






thank you for these!! the people Iím interviewing with seem solid technically, the only thing Iím slightly concerned with is the nature of consulting so these will help

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


might not make it at my #1 because I bombed an OO design question

:rip:

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Is the conventional wisdom still to never give out a first number? I've done that with {company that pays high salaries} and my recruiter seems to think they're going to try and low-ball me because of it.

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


re: salary negotiation

my idiot hell fucker external recruiter has apparently been relaying every single internal thought I've mentioned about the two places i'm receiving offers from to those places themselves. it's wonderful to hear the place you're trying to sell yourself to say to you "so we heard you thought our tech stack was a little old". one place was waiting on the other to make an offer and he relayed that information to the other, causing them to delay + weaken *their* offer. what a loving genius (i am for talking to an external recruiter)!

never use an external recruiter!!!

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Boiled Water posted:

Visual Basic + excel place?

no, just a ton of NIH

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Boiled Water posted:

re: the old tech stack

the only thing you can do here is keep negging their stack and hope it pays off

edit: in case you're wondering i'm a gay idiot without a job so maybe it doesn't work

Iíll neg stacks all day once I have an offer in hand, but he told them this before they even made one!!

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


iíve a new job

and one of my TLs is a goon!!

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


iím struggling to figure out why after years of ghosting candidates the candidates donít give a poo poo about our ďrelationshipĒ and have started ghosting us :iiam:

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Cold on a Cob posted:

idk if i mentioned it in this thread but earlier this year we passed on someone because he wouldn't give us salary expectations. like, outright refused. i guess he read everyone's favourite salary negotiation article.

he would have been better off just firing off a nice high number tbh, at least then we would have countered with something

yeah, thatís on you guys, not on the candidate. thereís absolutely no reason why not the applicant should have to strike first at price, especially considering how much of a disadvantage candidates are already at at the negotiating table

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


exactly what Iíd expect from a guy named rick wilf

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Is your company really going to come after you for your ďfartz as a serviceĒ project or a bug fix you drop for some OSS project? Whoís watching your GH repos and why would that even be in their interest if they are?

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Sniep posted:

so follow up. get the job you want.

itís Just Business

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


hayden. posted:

I just (politely) walked out of my first interview. I show up for the first on-site interview and it turns out it's a technical interview, which wasn't communicated at all. I sat with two engineers who said hello and then immediately tasked me with white boarding some algorithm and data structure problems, when I was really just more showing up to see if it was a good fit. They said they didn't have any questions for me, only the whiteboard exercise. I told them I didn't have a CS background and have never had a reason to memorize or frankly even use algorithm knowledge and that it seemed I wasn't what they were looking for. The job ad mentioned that they build scalable software and they recommended a CS degree (like seemingly every job listing) but it wasn't clear it was an absolute necessity. I thanked them for their time and left after a very awkward conversation about how I didn't want to wedge myself into a role when I was clearly not what they were looking for.

It was a senior level role, but the compensation range given me was close to the non-senior title roles I've been given offers to already. I guess good luck finding candidates with faang style interviews and only paying 100k in downtown Denver.

lmbo at simultaneously scoffing at the prospect of having to know some algorithms and data structures and also expecting a big boy salary

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


hobbesmaster posted:

i think hes saying that since it wasn't a big boy salary he shouldn't need to know data structures and algorithms

100k is more than double the US median income

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Rex-Goliath posted:

donít undersell this. iíll take someone who has decent tech chops who i can actually stand being around over a hotshot jackass any day

mega agreedo

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Glassdoor skews lower for reasons mentioned and also because they are necessarily salary ranges from the past and even not including inflation the market price for skills has gone up

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


maybe I like touching the computer

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


the fact that the new person is a net negative productivity-wise for some non-zero period of time contributes

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


qirex posted:

hustle the new folks and tell them you're at the end of the process with a different company. don't tell company you're close with anything, imo

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Buff Hardback posted:

offer letter signed

:yotj:

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


Flaming June posted:

just got an offer today at a startup that i'm only somewhat enthusiastic about. the project and team are okay, and the compensation is better than what i'm makng now, but nothing really groundbreaking. it's also completely remote with no real opportunity for in-office work since its on the other coast (i actually prefer a dedicated office space)

i was supposed to have a second offer today at a larger public company, but they are now reprioritizing and are unsure if the position will even exist once that is decided. they are far more well-known and their verbal offer (before this meeting) was higher than the startup's, with a more relevant project and a better match for a team. they were my #1 choice

startup needs an offer by eod friday. public company doesn't expect to even know if they are still hiring for the position for a week or two yet

i guess i could take the startup offer and, if public company gets back with an even better one, just jump on that instead and burn some bridges if it comes to it. if public company had to wait to hire (but they were definitely going to hire) then i wouldn't mind pushing off a start date, but i don't even know if there will be an offer now

imo do not take a job that is not offering you a single thing you are actually excited about, especially in this market. new job is (or has been for me) the quickest way to get way more money, role bump, or a better location and you only get a handful of new job in your life, so I would make them count.

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


qirex posted:

in my experience "full stack" means "everyone is real bad at front end code and they hot potato who has to glue together some react components they found"

lmao, yeah same

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


but doctor, I am the smarter and better engineer

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


https://gist.github.com/vcarl/14275c72baf976ff1665392e14225dcc showed up in my twitter feed as a list of questions to ask the interviewer, pretty deece imo

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my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine


PIZZA.BAT posted:

interviewing is garbage anecdote: about six months ago we were trying to hire a new architect. we ended up hiring one of the guys i gave a thumbs down too. turns out heís a drat good architect!!

what made you say no?

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