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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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It's me, the recruiter calling during work hours, asking about how your new job you've been at for less than 3 months is going (I did not get this job through a recruiter, also new job owns), and wanting to talk about "local opportunities".

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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Further lol: old boss just texted me specific questions about a system I worked on at old job that I can't possibly answer. I kind of feel bad for him because it's not his fault that the structure of the company made it so everything I wrote exists at a maximum bus factor.

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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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My school was ABET accredited but it's kind of necessary for them because the only other degrees they offer outside of 30+ engineering disciplines are Business, Actuarial Science, Construction Management, and Nursing so without accreditation and reputation they're hosed.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Our PO used to be a computer engineer and we only have beta customers right now but I have no delusions that once we officially release and migrate customers from our old software this gravy train of people who understand the "D" part of "NPD" being in charge will be coming to an end.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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qhat posted:

It's the way you're meant to be paid.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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more like crapple am I right

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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I remember one of my professors saying that some people have advocated for engineering degrees to take 5 years instead of 4. I've never heard of that outside of that professor so I'm not sure if it's BS, but after going through a pretty tough engineering program it makes sense why.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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qhat posted:

Tek systems from my experience are universally a bunch of clowns who have no idea what they are doing

I got roped into a 15 minute conversation with one of their recruiters months ago before I got my current job.

Apparently that recruiter left a month or two ago because since then I've been getting weekly voicemails from different recruiters saying that "so-and-so isn't with us anymore, but I'd be happy to connect and continue where you left off!" which leads me to believe that the second you leave the recruiting world your former coworkers all descend upon your contact list like vultures on an animal carcass.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Schadenboner posted:

Bitch, Iím in goddamn Milwaukee. the closest thing we have to computer poo poo is like Johnson Controls or GE Medical.

And itís all deep-SAP Country. Better JavaScript than ABAP. :shudder:

Count your goddamn blessings.

I mean we've also got Northwestern Mutual and uhh... *squints at scribbles on palm* ...Zywave?

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Schadenboner posted:

Isnít there somewhere that makes zip software too?

For real there's a decent amount of small-to-medium financial firms around, idk why (it's probably waukesha county)

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Software by HoboMan: Information Technology Services

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Pollyanna posted:

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ngl i'm beginning to wonder what really lies ahead in life and it don't look rosy.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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help I'm getting an intern how do find the happy medium between micromanaging and explaining everything down to where the power button on the computer is vs leaving them to the wolves

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Background:

I'm pretty young and the intern goes to the same school I went to so I have a pretty good idea of where they're at in the curriculum, even if it's probably changed a little by now. The team I'm on is working on a new product that's a globally-distributed platform built on top of microservices so I'm thinking that teaching the new intern about some of the architectural decisions we've made and why we made them is a good place to start.

They probably don't know a lick of C# but they know Java so I'm not worried about them being unable to even start writing code. I could teach them about some C# features like Linq, or maybe details about the CLR and JIT.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Bloody posted:

how the gently caress do i do a phone screen im supposed to screen someone this week

ask basic questions like "did you lie on your resume?" and "are you sure you didn't lie?" or even "look I won't even be mad, just don't make me waste my time interviewing you"

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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I was contacted by an internal recruiter/HR rep from a local company with a pretty good reputation. They're expanding their software team and need people with the exact kind of experience I have. Did an initial phone screen today, the recruiter wants me to do a technical phone interview and then depending on how that goes come in for a full interview.

I looked at their salaries on glassdoor, the benefits and pay are lower than what I got when I started at my current job. I also love my current job. The rep did ask what it would take for me to switch jobs right now and my answer was "a higher-level position than I have now, doing the same kind of stuff I'm doing now, with a lot more pay".

Should I even bother going through with the interview? It's going to take a really awesome job and/or a huge amount of money to make me leave my current job and I have a feeling it's to end with them saying "no" to the amount I ask for.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Phone interview went really well today and I'm going to go in for an in-person interview. The company HR rep seemed impressed even though I feel like I have an aggressively average resume, I've just done lots of different stuff.

I went from 1% chance of this turning into something to 5% after the new product owner we hired decided that he'd make 30 minutes of smalltalk to me today while I was trying to shoo him and get back to work. The smalltalk was him complaining about how the government ruins everything including gems such as "EPA ruined gas cans" and "the new streetcar being built downtown is dumb because if it snows 6 inches it won't be able to run, all mass transit is dumb I just bought a new pickup truck for commuting lol".

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Dec 18, 2012

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you vs the candidate they told you not to worry about

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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It costs money for recruiters to send messages on LinkedIn if they get ignored right right? I got recruiter spam with "If you are not interested - Be Kind! Decline!" in their signature today, and lately I've noticed other recruiters messages include something asking me to explicitly decline if I'm not interested.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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meatpotato posted:

this might be a good time to ask this question then

I just made a linkedin to look for a job (currently have none). Are these messages worthwhile to pursue, or am I likely to be wasting my time? I haven't tuned my linkedin spam sense yet.

A good indicator if something is a waste of time is if the recruiter sends you a message that says they have something for "someone with your background". That means they haven't actually looked at your resume or profile beyond having it match search results.

The only LinkedIn recruiter message I've ever responded to was from an internal recruiter at a company I had previously interviewed at, and they actually named qualifications I had that were relevant for the job. I'm interviewing there next week and also am probably going to say "no" because my current job owns and is giving me a p dece raise/bonus already.

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qhat posted:

It's also worth mentioning that each inmail is like $10 a pop. Ignoring the mails is actually a pretty hard own.

I've never explicitly ignored any of the messages I've gotten lol

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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Had the interview today. Crushed it, my interviewers were great, showed me around the offices, facility is great, tech stack seems good, work environment seems excellent, but they use GitLab for their version control :rip:

Also I'm really happy with my current job, I'm getting mentorship and moving up so I'm only planning on taking this job if they give me an obnoxious raise.

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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Got an offer...for like 2/3s of what I get now in every aspect of compensation.

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Dec 18, 2012

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Turned down the offer. They didn't want to budge on pay and also the employment contract included things like waiving my right to sue and only settling disputes through arbitration. I haven't seen that in an employment contract before and it set off some internal alarm bells. I've seen non-competes and "we own your intellectual property unless you put every idea you've ever had before working here in this box" clauses, but is waiving your right to sue a common thing?

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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JawnV6 posted:

what was the impetus for even reading that far? sounds like you knew it wasn't a fit before those flags

Job seemed good and similar to what I'm doing now, I like my current one but seemed worth it to not get rusty at interviewing and also to see how much money they'd drop. :shrug:

I was 99% not going to accept it after the initial offer but seemed worth at least seeing how they'd respond to a counter offer.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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qhat posted:

I still have these assholes calling me up in the middle of the day without notice asking if I need a job. One of them tried calling multiple times while I was in a meeting, so I took it only to realise it was just a stupid recruiter from TS. I told them to gently caress off and remove me from their systems, which I'm not entirely sure they did.

You know the answer to this

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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carry on then posted:

pair company time pooping

finally, a real team-building exercise

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Paired programming is a great tool for mentoring junior team members or working through a tough problem with an extra head. Required paired programming is dumb though. Sounds like someone heard the benefits of it and decided that more = better in every context in the same way that people think eating tons of carrots will improve your eyesight.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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NEVER WRITTEN A LINE OF CODE

NEVER HAD SEX

7 INCHES, UNCUT

DMS ARE OPEN

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Pie Colony posted:

why would you even ask that though? are you trying to hire the other candidates? learn what the interviewer's bar for impressive is? cause it doesn't really tell you anything about the company

quote:

- what's the most impressive thing you've seen out of someone else you've interviewed recently

translation: what qualities are people here impressed with. what caliber of candidates are you also considering.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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I don't ask it in those words exactly, usually something like "what's the most impressive thing you've seen from a developer you usually don't work with on a daily basis?", but it's worth asking.

You might get a terrible red-flag answer like "we had a guy who wrote his own encryption algorithm, and we decided to use it in production! :downs:". You'll probably never hear anything that bad, but at least usually get a few minutes of smalltalk with the interviewer out of it. I've gotten some great answers about some interesting tools being developed internally and had good conversations about them with the interviewers. Worst case, you get a non-answer like MBBR got.

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Out of curiosity I took a look at open positions at Twitch. Are Amazon subsidiaries pretty independent or are they all just Amazon with a different logo on the building?

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Dec 18, 2012

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Rex-Goliath posted:

iirc our universal index is light years ahead of postgres and our system is built from the ground up to be horizontally scalable so you can expand out to indexing and searching petabytes of data in milliseconds with very little effort. i donít want to derail two threads at the same time though so i guess iíll finally make the nosql thread in CoC. iím surprised no ones done this yet so i guess it may as well be me

pls do, I'd like to read and post about non-relational dbs that aren't mongo

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Dec 18, 2012

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the talent deficit posted:

marklogic is the one product that makes mongo seem reasonable

I more want to talk about CosmosDB, and how MS seem to be putting out unfinished Azure features as generally available and production ready

e: hey look there's a YOSPOS microsoft thread

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Dec 18, 2012

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My facade of knowing what I'm doing continues to hold up. My boss trusts me to interview 3 different candidates tomorrow despite being a small boy and having never interviewed anyone before.

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Dec 18, 2012

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Schadenboner posted:

They donít even have coffee here. :wtf:

Hello are you interested in software engineering opportunities in the Milwaukee area

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Mahatma Goonsay posted:

i must be interviewing at a real start up, the cto sat in on my technical phone screen. shouldn't they have something better to do?

For smal companies it's not that uncommon, startup or not. If the company is small enough, the CTO is probably only one level above your boss and the cost of hiring a developer isn't nothing.

Would it be a waste of time for the CTO to be involved in a decision to budget another 100k/year for AWS? The answer to that last one is yes, because AWS is a hungry god that you must unquestioningly appease by shoveling money into its gaping, firey maw

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Dec 18, 2012

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ADINSX posted:

Is AWS as huge a cluster gently caress as I imagine it is? I have a call with a recruiter on Friday (preliminary stuff, he knows I'm not looking for a few months).

All IaaS is a PaaS

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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denver i barely know her

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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jit bull transpile posted:

something just struck me funny after seeing a bunch of people talking about using Adderall to program more at work too. I'm worried about yospos!

I take a shitload of ritalin but I'm prescribed it.

Also it means I get to enjoy a minimum 30 min poo poo break in the middle of the day

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Captain Foo posted:

ask all these people if they want to form a union

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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Schadenboner posted:

I was dying for all of November trying to get a loving peep back from any application I sent in, then I panic-took a job at Literally Metro-Milwaukeeís Worst MSP to keep the lights on, now all of a sudden (what passes for) good companies are calling like crazy.

:wtf:

That is because it's January, the magical time of year where money materializes before the very eyes of department heads, half of which will be shoveled into the Azure/AWS fire at a pace that makes it run out 1 month before the next magical money granting time.

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