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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



jit bull transpile posted:

man the numbers people throw around in here as reasonable salaries always make me feel really bad about myself

:same: although i'm a straight brown dude

AnimeIsTrash fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Feb 18, 2019

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



I had a couple of friends that worked for IBM. One of them told me about how they setup a minigolf course on their floor and would play on it daily with his coworkers. The other one would just play MTG all day on his computer.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Outside of cracking the code is there a decent resource on algorithms, data structures, and etc to use? I think it's my biggest weakness in programming interviews and i'd really like to earn more figgies at one of the bigger tech companies in the region.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Xarn posted:

Algorithms by CLRS is often recommended as a textbook on the topic for CS courses.

I'll check it out, thanks!

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



In my experience most interviewers just want you to be able to demonstrate how your problem solving abilities and hopefully solve a problem. Granted I have had a few interviewers with very smug attitudes about how I didn't use whatever clever solution they would have used.

You should take some time to practice, and go over some algorithms again. There is pretty much no downside in trying, having a FAANG on your resume basically sets you up for the rest of your career (at least imo).

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



The Management posted:

shithead interviewers are doing you a favor by letting you know that you don’t want to work with them


They really are.

I applied for an internal position in my company in a different department since our department was going to get downsized. They asked me to come in for a chat, which I figured would be an informal interview. Turns out it was a full on FAANG style interview with the kicker that instead of whiteboarding problems, I code live in vim.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Get them figgies

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



The Fool posted:

this felt good


They have been sending me recruitment emails and I have no idea how they got my real email. My facebook account has some bogus email I created just for facebook. I just don't respond.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Xarn posted:

lol

Did they offer ar least 500k in comp for that poo poo?

I went through a similar interview process with the later stages being you coming up with and presenting a business case to the company. I jokingly asked if I was going to get paid for this and never heard from them again. :ghost:

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Not a Children posted:

I had an amazon interview a few years ago where the interviewer either intentionally or unintentionally said something incorrect about a technical matter and I wasn't sure if it was a slip of the tongue or a gotcha kinda thing, I kinda just smiled and nodded and moved on to the next thing

I didn't address it and I'm pretty sure that's why I didn't get the offer

Interviewing is garbage

Lol, I had someone do this to me in college when I was applying for an internship. They said something incorrectly about how linked lists stored stuff in memory and I just kind of went with it because I didn't want to call them out. I think the guy dismissed right as I walked in, so I don't think it mattered. :v:

I also had another guy who kept on saying this would be a 2 line statement in python after every whiteboarding problem we did. There was nothing in the internship description that indicated I should use python, and I even asked him if he was cool if I used java/pseudocode.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



hobbesmaster posted:

the quip that I immediately thought after “two lines in python” is “and one in Perl” and I suspect I would’ve said it aloud in a bad interview

Perl was something I picked up because we had a shitload of infrastructure scripts in perl at my first job and it's been something that has haunted me at every job i've had since.

There is always some old guy who coded some stuff in perl that is central to everything and people seem thrilled to have someone who can debug that stuff.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



PIZZA.BAT posted:

i'm looking through a stack of resumes for three new positions and one person immediately won brownie points for me because they chose the exact same latex template that i used for this job lol

also it's an impressive resume

I stole a latex template someone posted itt and have received many complements on my resume looking neat. Thanks to that goon. :tipshat:

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



I'm getting very tired of working at my current job, and just signed my lease renewal so i'm going to start looking for a new job sometime next year. I'm an absolute dullard and am bad at the whiteboarding/coding interview questions so I think a year gives me a good amount of time to prepare.

I was thinking about going through my old copies of cracking the code, and chris sedgewick's algorithms book for starters. Is that a good way to prep? If not what would be a better way? Is there anything else you all would recommend?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



KidDynamite posted:

leetcode. you might get lucky and have a problem pulled directly from there.


I forgot about leetcode, thanks!

CarForumPoster posted:

generally it would be better to apply more places and spend less time studying for an interview that you haven’t been offered yet (and thus don’t know whether it’s a waste of time)

you also might learn your resume is poo poo when your phone interview rate is <2%

Last time I was job searching I heard back pretty immediately from several companies. I generally make it past the phone interview and fumble around during the whiteboarding portions of the interview. I feel like I know most of the stuff being asked, it's just that my nerves get the best of me and I think that having a good foundation for algorithm based questions will help me out there.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



bob dobbs is dead posted:

you might feel special but usual yields from resume->phone is like 40% for peeps who dont have a dog poo poo resume and phone->job is more like 5-20%

CarForumPoster posted:

Ahh thats useful data then. Best of luck!

Yeah I didn't mean to imply that my resume is prefect or anything, it definitely needs to be redone. I have been thinking about my shortcomings in interviews for a while now, and almost everytime I feel like that portion always ends up my weakest area.

I hope I didn't sound like I was discounting or ignoring your advice as that was not my intention. I do really appreciate the advice.


Poopernickel posted:

If you're targeting a FAANG, start doing leetcode exercises. In a few months maybe you can try to get those dollas

If you don't want to jump through bullshit hoops, practice your interview skills instead. Also do a few toy projects and put them on your Github.

Cool, sounds like leetcode might be the way to go. Thanks!

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



The Fool posted:

requiring a portfolio selects against candidates that are in life situations that don’t lend themselves to a lot of work-outside-of-work free time but could otherwise be excellent employees

it’s a reasonable alternative if they’re unable to demonstrate other experience in some way, but 5 years feels like a bit much

Agreed, I can kind of see it for an entry level employee but lol if you're doing that to someone who already has touched computers for money.

I posted about this in the terrible programming thread but after I started touching computers for money I could no longer program for fun or as a hobby,

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



On the other hand the guy I know who ended up working for google after college only had 1 thing on his github and that was an app to display which dining locations that accepted his school's dining currency was open. He used to bonsai, smoke weed, or play video games in the entirety of his free time.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



The Fool posted:

only had this advantage once, but it was a literal 20-minute chat in the lobby then job offer

Yeah it rules. I randomly got into a conversation with a some guy outside one of my professors office. Turns out he was the CTO of a small company in the area, asked my professor for my information, and offered me an internship.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Resume chat from a couple pages back has me worried about the quality of my resume. I moved from the DC area to the Seattle area, and the types of jobs in both areas are significantly different. I don't want to post my resume as it's very easy to identify me from it but are there are some good examples of what my resume should have?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Someone ITT told me to tell that that I can't work for them because of my morals and they have sent me 0 emails since. I used to get like weekly ones otherwise.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



KoRMaK posted:

just had an internal recruiter tell me there was a take home I have to finish by Thursday, and they would send it to me Wednesday at 5pm


lmao they are on my poo poo list now

so I pressed them to ask their dev team how long it typically takes a sr dev to finish because if it's more than two hours I will not be able to do it before the interview

Lmao are you just trying to move to another department?

I think I may have posted about it itt but when I was looking to transfer departments I went to what was described to me a friendly chat the next day but ended up being a full on google style coding interview.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



TheFluff posted:

there's a resume thread in bfc that's got some good advice for resumes in the op. the two basic key points that have worked for me are basically

1. have a blurb (like 3 sentences ish) at the top that matches some of the key points the ad says they're looking for, as closely as possible without outright lying. if the ad says "5 years experience with java" as its first requirement then your blurb should at the very least have something specifically about your java experience. this is to get past the first screening; most resumes are shitcanned by the time the reader gets to the end of this blurb, and it's common that the first screener isn't technical.

2. pick cool things you did that you can be specific about, and try to describe the value. don't write that you worked on optimizations, write that you root-caused and resolved performance issues, speeding up some critical part of the application by a gazillion percent and saving the company hundreds of thousands of dollars in hosting costs, or whatever. never lie, but don't undersell your individual effort by so much as a penny either. you never "help" or "contribute" to doing something, you either lead a project or you take ownership of a key part of it or whatever.

Thanks!

bob dobbs is dead posted:

apple software peeps are the most underpaid software peeps at any tech major. hardware peeps in apple are practically the only hardware peeps in the world to get paid comparable to tech major software peeps tho. this explains the continuing incompetence in macos dept, and also the continuing incompetence in their application programming depts

I can't remember their name, but there was a goon who worked at apple who used to mention her boss was a dick to her because she was trans. Hope she is doing well, but this sounds like it tracks.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



KoRMaK posted:

im in the brief liminal space of having an offer but not accepted yet and by allah's grace himself it turned into the weekend as all that went down

currently playing doom eternal and enjoying this brief ephemeral period
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ptulhhQPg

god bless, allah ackbar

bismillah

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



This thread is much better when it's people posting their W's and not libertarians posting their bootstrap myths.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

Do you have sources for this? I'd like to tear into it a bit since i am both in a non-hub city and not actually a dev and im definitely hitting the averages here

:same:

I'm also surprised not to see Seattle on that list, although I imagine it's in the SF/NYC tier.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



shoeberto posted:

Got it.

It's especially weird to me because I have two email addresses, one that I've always used for resumes/professional stuff, and the other that I use for my personal poo poo, and he sent it to my personal address. So much for trying to compartmentalize.

It was me trying to catfish you. Pls respond.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



jesus WEP posted:

now? having a bizarre personal lexicon has been bdid’s gimmick forever

Some people use "things" and "stuff" to describe the world, bdid uses "peeps" and "dealios".

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



actionjackson posted:

edit: drat FAANG has so much money, my first job in 2008 i got 50k lol

I was the same way, and then took some solid leaps jumping across companies.

My faang friends make 2-3x what I make now, and we've been working for around the same time. I don't feel too bad because I make good money, but still lol.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



tk posted:

https://twitter.com/seattletimes/status/1500499410530230272

Oh poo poo I didn’t know we were getting this

Hell yes

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



qhat posted:

this a double edged sword. you do get a bit more info about the position and what it pays, but other employers can get salary information about your own position via public job postings. I don’t know if it’s clear whether this will actually improve wages for anybody who isn’t in tech.

The company is going to attempt to screw you regardless of if they release this information or not. The only thing this does is give the potential employee some leverage.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



I guess if you are looking for remote work, your options might decrease because companies across state lines might not want to disclose that they're underpaying you.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



carry on then posted:

kinda related, but those of you who moved cross-country to take a better-paying job, how did you handle uprooting, if it was just you moving? was it overall worth it?

one of the things keeping me here is i have a nice group of friends and zero confidence i'd ever make any more at 30, especially since the places the companies i'd be interested in applying to are all in areas notorious for being unfriendly (i.e. "seattle freeze").

You gotta have hobbies or something. I got lucky in that I had friends living close when I moved, I made a few at work, and then a few more playing magic the gathering.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



qhat posted:

Oh and make sure if there's an easy brute force approach and you can write it out in a few minutes, do that so that you have a working solution at the very least. If you're lucky can get away with not finishing the real solution bug-free if you've already done something which works and you've discussed your approach for the optimal solution in detail.

The bruteforcing + optimizing your code solution has been my go to solution for leetcode when I have no idea how to proceed. :mrgw:

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



I'm trying to interview with bae systems, any tips for the interview?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Aramoro posted:

Are folk seriously discussing the objective morality of working for different companies in a thread dedicated to getting payed hundreds of thousands of dollars for little work?

Half the people here work for the other letter in FAANG. Lol

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



raminasi posted:

unhelpful yet topical anecdote: a college buddy of mine quit bae specifically because, quote, "it became too weird to work on products with the word 'kill' in the name"

The way to ace that interview is to ask if you can bring your own brown child cutout to blow up in the combat simulations.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



PCjr sidecar posted:

talk about your home lab

They won't appreciate my meth lab.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



ultrafilter posted:

A while back my team interviewed a guy, liked him, and went to made an offer but the company instituted a hiring freeze before we could extend the offer. Things like this happen sometimes.

Did you tell them there was a hiring freeze?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



Penisface posted:

is red hat a bad company nowadays? seeing their remote offers in my area

They're owned by IBM now. Take that as you will.

AnimeIsTrash fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Apr 1, 2022

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Jun 30, 2018



Being a level 1 manager sounds like it sucks so much rear end. We've gone through about 4 since I have been here, they usually last about a year each although we had a temp manager who lasted like 2 months.

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