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CarForumPoster posted:If starlink and self driving cars take off, a decade from now imma live on a bus for a year. I wonder how well starlink and self driving cars will work in an infrastructure-less nuclear wasteland
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references are being checked for a gig at a university. kinda surprised by the questionnaire at least one of my references got: 1. What were the dates of his/her employment with your firm? 2. What was his/her job title and primary responsibilities when he/she started? 3. How would you describe the quality of his/her work? 4. How well did he/she respond to pressure (e.g., from high volume, deadlines, multiple tasks, public contact)? 5. How well did he/she plan and organize his/her work, and were assignments completed in a timely fashion? Yes, and again with the attention to quality control. 6. What was the amount of supervision required for him/her? 7. How well did he/she get along with other people (e.g., clients, co-workers, supervisors)? 8. How did he/she respond to criticism/interpersonal conflict? 9. What are his/her strongest skills as an employee? Interpersonal skills, good leader, wanted quality work, didn’t want to cut corners. 10. What areas of his/her performance needed improvement? 11. What was the reason for termination? 12. Would you rehire him/her at the same level? What else would you want me to know?
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Corla Plankun posted:i think workplace references are actually instructed specifically not to say any of that stuff nah, references are different from employment verification -- generally speaking by asking someone to provide a reference for you, you're granting them permission to speak freely about you. that said, obviously you want to know that your reference will say good things. employment verification is where you're unlikely to get more than a "yes, they worked here between these dates" honestly, aside from the termination question, I think a varying majority of the questions get asked in a typical reference call. it's just way more off putting and weird when presented as a wall of text rather than a conversation. it almost feels like the hiring manager did a full list copypasta of recommended reference questions
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May 15, 2022 16:27
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ultravoices posted:you should always be a flight risk and a mercenary always be one, but also always avoid being perceived as one
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May 16, 2022 19:48
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I love it when recruiters exchange three emails to set up a 5 minute call to tell you they're going a different direction. better than being ghosted for sure, but I can't help but think there's a happy medium. oh well, at least a different way-less-ideal job is at the reference check/final interview stage
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just killed it on a final interview. fingers crossed for an offer next week.
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4lokos basilisk posted:developers having to be on call is kind of a red flag, right? depends. even if you have dedicated first line ops being paged, you need an escalation path.
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PokeJoe posted:imagine if any other engineering worked that way. civil engineer on call because the bridge keeps breaking and you have to go put some bricks back at 3am ya. busted infrastructure like water/sewer/steam/power lines are usually left til the next business day
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May 23, 2022 20:22
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Corla Plankun posted:real engineers dont usually do any implementation at all i dont think, its all design for them and there are no design emergencies outside of that one scene in apollo 13 the whole on-call engineering services industry would like a word with you
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May 23, 2022 20:51
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Kuvo posted:"i have faith $COMPANY can make a competitive offer based on my skillset and experience" this makes you sound like an asshat. don't ever say this. either just say "i can't see the numbers working out, thanks though", or "i'm pretty happy with my current situation, but might reconsider for $fig"
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sorry, misunderstood. i'd still argue it comes off a little pompus though. it sounds like the conversation thus far has has a very casual tone, i think this sounds out of place to me i'd personally go with something like "it's still too early to know what a good salary would be for me in this role" or more likely throw out an over the top figure and follow it up with a "but I'm flexible depending on the situation"
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May 23, 2022 21:41
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hobbesmaster posted:often the operator and designer are different entities in physical infrastructure this is not true as often in software it's also worth mentioning that operator and designer doesn't map directly to technician and engineer either. technicians may be the first line of defense for operators, but when things go wrong engineers are called in to do the maths
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May 23, 2022 23:04
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:the person asking salary questions is (at all but the tiniest of startups) someone in HR. you will not interact with them after getting hired, and it is literally their job to give you the lowest offer you will take. you can reasonably just say "market rate; if you can provide a range i can tell you whether i'd switch for that to not waste your time" in this case, it was literally the cto emailing op about the role. that screams small shop and should usually be taken as a signal to slow your roll on wordy language that tries to sound formal. in the unlikely event the gig doesn't already involve working directly with the cto, it should be your goal to establish as friendly a relationship as possible with them. it should go without saying that there are massive perks to being "friends" with the c-suite. your suggestion of "market rate; if you can provide a range i can tell you whether i'd switch for that to not waste your time" is a spot on response regardless of whether they're talking to an hr drone they'll never hear from again, or a future teammate/manager. "i have faith $COMPANY can make a competitive offer based on my skillset and experience" however just comes off as stand-offish and almost sets an adversarial tone to the conversation.
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CPColin posted:I might just decline the calendar invitation to do an annual evaluation and see if I get away with it I once managed to avoid a week long "mandatory" employee orientation this way for nearly two years. I ended up taking it less than a month before I quit, mostly as a way to just chill for a week.
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i am a moron posted:Like dude those consultants don't have retirement packages and poo poo and are funded differently, if someone was trying to get hired quoting those numbers I would laugh them out of the building. it also sounds like you were being extremely unethical using that knowledge in negotiations and you used it wrong lmao I dunno that I'd call it unethical, but were I hiring, I'd probably laugh them out of the room for trying to negotiate a w-2 salary based on their knowledge of 1099 salaries. even before burning out on this nonsense, I still wouldn't get out of bed on 1099 for less than 2.5-3x what I require on w-2, so 125 against 550 still seems low. outhole surfer fucked around with this message at 17:25 on May 31, 2022 |
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Shaggar posted:this isnt some nefarious plot, they're just incredibly loving stupid. you're projecting your own competence into a realm of morons. you can tell an MBA that paying an employee 1x salary is less than paying a consultant 3x salary for the same work, but their moron brains cannot comprehend that. all they see is "salary = recurring cost = expensive, consulting = temporary cost = cheap". doesnt matter if they've been using the consultant for years, they still think its less expensive because they've reduced employee payroll costs. the term I've heard management assholes say is "optionality". the fully loaded cost for an employee is easily 1.5x their salary. management will gladly pay that 2x difference between fully loaded employee and contractor in exchange for increased "optionality" in the situation. contractors can be cut any time for no reason at all, and nobody outside the two parties involved will give a gently caress. with employees both legal and social requirements/expectations arise. firing the employee means incurring hr costs to ensure you're doing it by the book and possibly incurring the wrath of the general public depending on how the firing is perceived. not saying I like any of the above, just that there is a lot more to the calculus than "salary = recurring cost = expensive, consulting = temporary cost = cheap" implies. the benefit of the temporary nature of the contractor isn't that they're a cost that can be recovered any time by firing them. it's that contractors have much lower costs associated with swapping them in and out, allowing you to push them way harder and throw them away when they're used up
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i am a moron posted:everything you posted is true wrt management thinking except for this, you'll have much better luck whipping your FTEs to death oh, you don't whip the contractors. you just offer them more work, their eyes turn to dollar signs, and they work themselves to half to death. if they're (the contractor) playing the game right, they know they're going to need down time to recover before the next gig.
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Shaggar posted:oh dont get me wrong, im not saying contractors = bad, im more saying contactors = temporary employees where that temporary nature comes at a premium. bringing in contractors do to work outside of your core business is entirely reasonable oh, I'm totally saying "contractors = bad" if they aren't truly a temporary need the final form of a company run by these assholes outsources anything they consider outside their core competency, and consider their core competency to be an orchestrated outsourcing of poo poo once upon a time the person performing janitorial services at a company had at least a shot at moving to another role within the same company. today that person is likely 1099 contractor for the company your company contracts janitorial services out to, and the fact they perform services for your company no longer provides an opportunity for upward mobility
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KirbyKhan posted:Aight let me post some PSYCHO poo poo to get us off this fuckin derail. was this actually your idea, or was it an assignment at a half-rate boot camp?
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KirbyKhan posted:All the folks in my home network are boomer as gently caress, so that's where the ~extra~ formality comes in. based on all the other replies in the thread, I'm probably in the minority, but my take is: 1) grow your network 2) boomers want that formality because it puts you beneath them. they don't communicate with peers that way. communicate with your potential colleagues as peers and you're far more likely to be treated as a peer. communicate with them as though you're lesser to them, and they're going to consider you lesser to them
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accepted an offer with the it department at a nearby university for a job that's boring, chill, and enterprisey. scheduled to start on the 13th. today an academic department at the same university reached out to me about a way cooler sounding job working in a smaller group with a much more diverse workload. they're also aware of my current situation and seem open to moving fast (interview is on monday afternoon, after they reached out to me today, and they said they'd like to nail down a candidate in the next week) figgies are about the same either way (decent for edu, but garbage compared to stressing out in the real world) am I an rear end in a top hat for pursuing the cool gig and back pocketing the meh gig, considering a start date has been set and hardware already ordered for me?
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Achmed Jones posted:haha word it seems like for this to really work you'd need to divorce the work of collecting the answer from evaluating the answer. rubrics alone don't do anything for bias -- having access to any information beyond the response itself reintroduces significant bias
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:are you anxious that your life experiences are not ‘interesting’ or ‘exciting’? or are you like 18 and have no life stories? No Wave posted:I tend to get rejected from large company jobs because I have a bad personality I figured this was the core of it and OP wants a hack that avoids having to change having a bad personality.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:well yeah I was being generous and hoping the answer wasn’t “I’m an arsehole and all my stories involve me being a prick” I mean, part of me wants them to be an 18 year old with no life experience, if only because it means in 2005 a three year old registered a forums account. edit: I'm baked and maths are hard. A one year old.
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honestly you *really* have to gently caress up on all the behavioral questions to get rejected on that basis. people are loving weird, and any halfway decent interview process is going to leave a lot of leeway for weird awkward people. i'm still cringing about my response to "tell me about a time you worked on a team to solve a problem". instead of describing any of the times I worked with a team to successfully solve a problem, I rambled a bit about my own shortcomings in other instances of teamwork. finally i realized i hosed up and instead of correcting course into a more flattering answer, I abruptly ended the response with a pause and "...I guess those are my thoughts on teams" got the job, but goddamn is that awful response going to forever be seared into my memory
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Corla Plankun posted:someone called me to give me a rejection the other day and i was really mad about it (privately, obviously it isn't this hr drone's fault probably) the worst is when they loving schedule a call to tell you they've rejected you. i recently had a recruiter ask for my availability to schedule another interview after the "final" interview round. they then went silent after my reply, then almost a week later they e-mail saying they'd like to schedule a call to update me on things. my naive optimistic mind was convinced they'd decided to skip the post-final interview and were going to make a verbal offer. of course reality was that they wanted to let me know they were moving in another direction.
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Strong Sauce posted:what is the scene like now vs 6 years ago for interviewing? generally i would get one phone call from the recruiter, then one call from an engineer asking me a tech question. assuming i past that question, there would be an onsite for a day anywhere from 3-6 people interview.. if they like you then they'd ask you to talk to a much higher-up person. i'm guessing that format is basically the same? substitute in zoom calls for both phone call and in-person interviews, and it's about the same Strong Sauce posted:coding question wise... is it just memorizing l33tcode questions now? i've started looking through them and i've noticed that there's more questions i never saw ~6 years ago. for example, the alien dictionary question. can anyone knowledgeable discuss the differences interviewing now vs 6 years ago? graph related stuff is kinda a weakness so it looks like i'll have to review those. does anyone here pay for l33tcode or something similar? faang is still l33tcode poo poo, but the real world seems to have moved on to take-home projects that sit before the 3-6 person interview, and are discussed in said interview
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i got called out on this once early in my career. i'd managed to land a trivial quirks patch in the kernel, then mentioned i was a kernel contributor in an interview. interviewer took way more interest than i expected and pulled up my patch during the interview.
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just got a voicemail from a gig I applied to months ago asking me to call them back to schedule an interview what loving year is it?
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my favorite is asking both the hiring manager and potential teammates "What is the most miserable aspect of the role?"
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Achmed Jones posted:yes correct, that's the kind of hilarious overreaction to twenty minutes of effort im talking about twenty minutes of effort used to gauge how long they can get away with bending you over
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there are plenty of gigs that don't require demonstrating you're willing to spend personal time learning non-transferrable corporate lore in exchange for being considered for the role
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raminasi posted:isn't the line between corporate bullshit meant to degrade you and corporate norms required for effective functioning within the organization an eye-of-the-beholder thing? everyone's gonna have their own local comfort optimum the line is transferability of the requested skill/knowledge for me. if the interview rewards the sort of prep work that isn't useful to anyone outside of that one interview, it is either intentionally or unintentionally filtering with a selection for people willing to tolerate bullshit and jump through extra hoops. if you're tolerant of bullshit, good for you. you can probably learn to perform the mating rituals sufficiently within an interview cycle or two, then you can expect a career of more of the same if you aren't tolerant of bullshit, i maintain there are plenty of other options.
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Gazpacho posted:what is the purpose anymore of asking whether someone has done agile?? esp if they have a background in well-known software companies. seems like asking "have you ever breathed air" someone with a life of enterprise would probably say the same thing about ITIL, but there are people like me who managed to dodge it for the first two decade of their career
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distortion park posted:I had to Google that, I suppose it's a fair point. Must be a different world over there. coming from startupland and way less formal gov gigs, it has (to put it mildly) rocked my world. in past lives i reported to the cto and had control of the services i run from hardware or cloud platform to load balancers and cdn. now i have at least three bosses (i think there might be a fourth?), and have control over the configs of three daemons.
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Gazpacho posted:the prevalence of bad practices in enterprise development is something of a legend though, and i feel the pain of anyone who comes from an enterprise project (or any project) where bad practices were entrenched and then sits across from an interviewer who doesn't understand that a candidate is not their previous employer yeah, i'm not really convinced ITSM is a "bad practice" though. i can definitely see where enterprises could implement it poorly, and i can see it being painful getting used to, but i also see a lot of benefits to it at startups i could yolo and deploy configs after only one other person had signed off on them. that was fine because i was delivering a product that could go down briefly without the world ending now i'm operating critical services for a few universities, a few hospitals, and every k-12 school in the state, so it makes sense to have roadbumps like change advisory boards and separated roles like service owner / service manager
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lord fifth posted:i trust the people here to know what they're talking about i know when i need someone i can trust, i go to the poo poo-posting subforum of subforum of a poo poo-posting forum, rite? i kid, this is probably the right place.
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