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the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





i've done three tech interviews and two hr interviews for one company and now they want me to do two more tech interviews and another hr interview. can i reasonably expect them to offer me a c level role at this point?

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the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Pollyanna posted:

remind me again how time limits on offer acceptances are a red flag? i learned that we give candidates one week to accept and i recall really disliking that part of the offer (though the rest was great) so i wanna give feedback on it from a candidate perspective, but I canít really elucidate my thoughts.

they're not a red flag at all. most companies/teams only have headcount/budget for a single hire when they are making offers and having to wait weeks for someone to make a decision means putting a hold on hiring during that time. as long as the period is reasonable (4+ days) and you are flexible on negotiating the period expiring offers are totally normal and reasonable

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





HoboMan posted:

85% of my current salary as a retention bonus to stay until then

interview and when it gets to salary negotiation ask for a signing bonus equivalent to your retention bonus

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





qhat posted:

Noone is going to give you six figures for a sign on lol.

maybe not cash but lots will up your rsu grants to this kind of level

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





here's the thing. google and fb and a handful of other companies can ask candidates to come out to california for three days of grueling interviews with in depth technical evaluation because for google and fb there's an endless well of qualified people willing to come out to california and go through that process. this is also how heroku and github can ask you to do a multiple day take home evaluation. there's enough people who want to work there that they don't need to worry about turning away people

your company that can't find or retain qualified devs can't get away with this because why would anyone qualified give you 12+ hours of their time when the reward for doing so is the same quality of job they can get via telling their friends they need a new job?

when you raise your bar for hiring you better be raising your compensation to match otherwise you're just wasting time with only those too clueless or too desperate to know to walk away

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





i give my salary expectations up front now for new job opportunities. i got tired of investing 20ish hours in skype calls and email chains only to get offered 60% of what i make now. if employers balk at my number i don't want to work for them anyways

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





athena is great. it's just presto that you pay for per byte instead of per second. at a prior job we cut our spend by 70% by switching from presto on emr to athena queries

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Blinkz0rz posted:

it's cheaper in the long run to be selective and pass on qualified candidates than it is to take a chance and hire someone that's terrible.

:wrong:

a bad hire should be easy to gently manage out or isolate where they can't do any real damage until you can turn them into a somewhat okay hire. they cost you a little bit of money and a little bit of productivity (for wasted time onboarding or ongoing training) but that's about it

the cost you pay for passing on qualified candidates is unfilled roles and increased time spent hunting unicorns. the productivity cost is massive even if the money-out-the-door cost seems minimal

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Janitor Prime posted:

bad hire includes weirdos that cause sexual harassment lawsuits that costs way more real dollars than whatever costs come from unfulfilled roles.

okay cool tell me how arduous technical interviews and rejecting candidates who used iteration instead of recursion to solve some problem (or vice versa if you're a c++ or python shop) prevents future sexual harassment cases

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Blinkz0rz posted:

agree to disagree then

my old team hired on 2 objectively bad candidates because they were having trouble with recruiting and felt like they just needed butts in seats. it took around 6 months to finally manage them both out. in those 6 months the team lost 2 other members to unrelated issues and the net effect of replacing 2 good employees with 2 bad ones was a massive drop in morale for the rest of the team to the point that i genuinely believed that the other 3 would leave and the team would fold.

being selective about your candidates isn't unicorn hunting it's about making sure that the people you do hire can actually do the work with the team. if that means that you reject candidates you're on the fence about, so be it.

you had two open spots and you lost two additional employees in six months and you think your hiring practices were to blame?

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Steve Jorbs posted:

Oh gently caress I am giving my first interview next week and this guy sounds way too good to be working here what do I do?

ask him to give you a call when he finds his new gig

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





raminasi posted:

i need help decoding some standard interview-speak: when interviewing candidates sometimes they'll ask "what's your day to day like?" and i know that "idk, come to work, do work, go home" is not an acceptable answer to this, but i'm not sure what they're actually asking.

they want to know how often your manager talks to you and how many meetings you have to go to

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Rex-Goliath posted:

i canít believe i never realized this but having a candidate write tests for a piece of your already existing code would be real good interview material

no it wouldn't. tests are a thesis that you then attempt to prove. they don't mean poo poo if you start with the conclusion and derive a thesis

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Gazpacho posted:

What songs best describe your work ethic? (Dell)

hell nos and headphones :: hailee steinfeld

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





how are you taking home less than $52k a year on a $94k salary?

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





there's a ton of niche consultancies and hardware vendors you've never heard of there too

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Xarn posted:

Yes, but the incentive to fight for more salary for the programmer is kinda low, as they only get a small part of it, and they could instead spend the time/political capital on placing another person and get more money that way.

if they know the company is willing to pay way more than what the candidate asks for there's no reason for them to lowball the candidate. recruiters suck but they're not idiots

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Notorious b.s.d. posted:

all green card grants should be automatic after certification. these people are the most capable and determined immigrants imaginable, highly skilled motherfuckers who already live here, who already are considered highly capable by their employers, who actively wish to build permanent lives and communities in the united states. how loving dumb is it to apply a quota system to people who have already been affirmatively proved to be the best possible citizens?

this is basically how it works in canada. all extended/open ended work visas (except for a couple reciprocal commonwealth "working vacation" visas) are dual intent and let you apply for permanent residency (equiv to a green card) after three years of (non continuous) residency. i don't think anyone has ever really had a problem with it. you can also change jobs freely

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





ThePeavstenator posted:

pls do, I'd like to read and post about non-relational dbs that aren't mongo

marklogic is the one product that makes mongo seem reasonable

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





qhat posted:

Got an on-site technical interview at EA. This should be fun.

wrong

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Cold on a Cob posted:

idk if i mentioned it in this thread but earlier this year we passed on someone because he wouldn't give us salary expectations. like, outright refused. i guess he read everyone's favourite salary negotiation article.

he would have been better off just firing off a nice high number tbh, at least then we would have countered with something

smh if you think it's the candidate who missed out in this case

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





my last job i was full remote and it was everything nbsd said. when i started my manager and 4/5ths of my team were remote and it was fantastic, but as more devs who went to the office every day joined it went downhill fast

also i used a colombian offshoring shop to get a mobile app done and if i ever do a startup i'm hiring 100% south americans. they were amazing. way better than "native" devs

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





jit bull transpile posted:

it's all in crumbling buildings that smell like poo poo and you can only make it one place in an evening because of traffic because the bay area is overcrowded and under managed

and once you get there it's filled with a bunch of assholes that you avoid all day at work

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





qhat posted:

Just handed in notice and reminded why it sucks.

30 minutes after I tell my boss, the CEO speaks to me in person and offers to match the comp +5% that EA is offering. I feel like contemplating it because I have a really good rapport with my boss and also the CEO, and also I genuinely care about our products and my work, but my logical side is screaming at me that this is just a desperation move and that I'd never have gotten if I didn't hold a gun to their head. Accepting the counter offer would also burn all bridges with EA in the future (not necessarily a bad outcome). Someone tell me that I should turn this down without hesitation.

you should take it. EA loving sucks to work for (especially in vancouver, where i think you are?)

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





qhat posted:

I'm happy not being a mortgage toucher at this point in time. Rent here in Vancouver is not bad compared to other places, especially if you're willing to share a house/appt with randos. My rent comes out to less than 10k cad annually and obviously I don't pay property tax or maintenance, so it's no big deal.

do you live in like port moody with three other people in a 2br condo? wtf. i'm paying 30k a year for a one bedroom in mt pleasant

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





DONT THREAD ON ME posted:

I need a job and havent really started looking someone give me a job please.

Thanks in advance

want to move to vancouver, london, singapore or palermo?

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





uncurable mlady posted:

what's the most decent place on the west coast to live

probably san diego or vancouver (canada), depending on your tolerance for us politics

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Ciaphas posted:

I guess it's not really that odd in the end but I'm a little weirded out that I'm interviewing at two directly competing companies in the next week, and both openings came from the same external recruiter

you think one or both will demand your corporate fealty before youíve even received an offer?

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





apple would be just as evil as google/fb if they could figure out how to get a piece of the advertising pie. ms too for that matter

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





if you're happy making $200-300k working for trendy startups that prob won't make it and changing jobs every couple of years 100% remote is totally doable. if you have ~ambitions~ beyond that or you have trouble finding work at half that pay remote is probably a terrible idea

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





never forget the entire world wants to see programmers busted back down to ďhidden in the basement earning $35kĒ status. carpe diem comrades

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





i worked for ibm for fourteen months and when i left i still hadn't been assigned a manager or a project

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





ratbert90 posted:

drat, I would love for that. I would just do contract work while collecting my pay from IBM. double paycheck.

it was awful. i still had a director and was expected to accomplish things, it was just that i had to do all the work to figure out what and how myself

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





jit bull transpile posted:

hard to say since they are constantly gaining and losing a quarter of their value. we do all our budgeting on base salary only because I don't trust shares or bonuses as they are non obligatory and I'm a minority.

rsus are absolutely obligatory. apple canít just decide not to give them to you. options on the other hand are routinely wiped out by down rounds or restructuring or just failure to ever exit

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





HoboMan posted:

i live in the midwest and have about 5 years experience on paper (which is more like 3 years actual experience) how much money should i be asking for?

all of it

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





suing for workplace discrimination or harassment is something only people who have never had to deal with it suggest

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Rex-Goliath posted:

not from first hand experience but a lot of people i know have said that texas cities are p dece as far as cities go

all of them except dallas are pretty dece

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





qhat posted:

Lol if you are ever late for your very first day to a new job. Only a peasant would think that is a good idea.

i was 2.5 days late to my first day because of blizzards on the east coast

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Captain Foo posted:

Did you start in January 2015

april 2018

the talent deficit fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jun 21, 2019

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the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





qhat is a moron who voluntarily took a job at a place notorious for worker exploitation despite being warned by multiple alumni what a shithole it was and still is

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