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JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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carry on then posted:

"what did you work on for the last 9 years?"

a variety of web-adjacent java poo poo, sounds like. is that a charitable read of web sphere? hold up, don't care about that question here's the real one: is it a lie you could smile through a few times for a six figure job?

every one of these posts is mopey garbage dwelling on the irrelevant. if the pity party's working for you, don't let me mess up the vibe, but maybe let someone else, possibly a hiring manager or HR person, tell you these things? instead of just jackin it alone thinking of all the bad things some fictional made-up person might say if you went and asked for a job

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JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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i told a startup I could write bare metal C when my background was 4+ Intel proprietary languages and verilog

forums user 'csammis' from the gray side wanted to do embedded dev. they "hosed around," as you were advised to, and somehow they didn't piss the chance away moaning about how it was a "2nd job." they got one solid project up on github and, THIS MAY BE IMPORTANT, shopped that experience around to a bunch of places until they found one that didn't really mind how fresh they were on the topics and were willing to invest some on that ramp

so, I really truly do not care if you heard one place reject you because they wanted to box someone as "frontend" or "backend." ive seen multiple folks change domains far more drastically than you're whimpering about

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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kitten emergency posted:

harping on the web sphere thing is weird imo. do you think people describe themselves as, like, tomcat devs? you do enterprise Java, there’s lots of enterprise Java in the enterprise, those people make loads of cash. go interview at some lovely startups that you don’t care about as an enterprise Java developer, read ctci or whatever, and see how it goes.

ccccconsider reasonable options????? why, I can simply wallow in this misery and make everyone watch...

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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bob dobbs is dead posted:

fizzbuzz was taken from the elementary school exercise not the other way around

it's also a drinking game where you clap and change directions around the circle, hth

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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lecturing a recruiter strikes me like breaking out a whiteboard to lecture the worker at an impound lot?


they don't give a poo poo, IC with a job and your diagram of the parking space you were towed from isn't moving their available actions. the end result doesn't change, we can get to the part where I pay and get my car faster without it.

sure you can but idk what effect it'll have or why you'd bother spending your time that way

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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god, are y'all honest in exit interviews too?? really give them some stuff to think about?

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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having worked for a couple of really big companies that I could've spent my whole career at, startups where you're wearing a different hat every 15 minutes are a good way to break out. I used a couple startups to wash my EE resume into a FW coder


trying to imagine what kind of broken IBM brain would see a startup dabbling in 8 technologies and coming to the conclusion that the proper approach is.... a year of study in solitude!?!??! until you're white hot on all the topics?? bewildering conclusion, inexplicable leaps of logic. the startup won't use 7 of them in a month, and it's very much a "I don't have to outrun the _bear_" situation where you're really just keeping ahead of 1 or two people, like if you're just better than the CTO on Today's Tech that's fine

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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feedmegin posted:

If they literally expect this instead of it being hyperbole they are insane and you should not work for them. You'll spend day 1 setting up your dev environment, maybe reading some docs if you're lucky!

folks from any kind of traditional employment forget that at a tiny startup a "concrete contribution," something really impactful, can be like..... being in a meeting and knowing that water is wet. the bar's really low

at a startup I was at my desk, the co-founder ran out of a meeting to ask me about some dev board, and I said "uhhhhh I guess I'd need a BSP? board support package?" and he was so loving thrilled that someone he'd hired knew what that acronym meant

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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gently caress on-site

who's doing remote embedded, done with commuting such a loving waste

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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hobbesmaster posted:

FAE is the easy way to make that happen
mine was sent in anger mid-commute, apologies for bouncing after


but... oh nooooo, this cure is worse than the diseaseeeee....



the lovely closed-door engineer take on FAE's is "you wanted to do sales OR engineering and washed out" and as capable as I am of talking to the humans, it does sound like a lot more "work"

dang

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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you should do it, because getting rejected for something silly would suck

it shouldn't be high effort and One Goon not reading them doesn't condemn the entire exercise across the industry. categories with max 30 minutes customization per company is fine

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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missed it by a page but ive passed a couple drug tests

one of them was even mine

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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did we ever figure out what's the clown test

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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rotor posted:

i just put the code wherever and then quit when i get tired of dealing with it

they say folks quit managers but im sure some folks have quit bugs

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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Dijkstracula posted:

I donno about the “all upside” bit, if anyone i hired sent me a “Dr mr so and so it was great chatting with you about the role, thank you in advance for the opportunity” postscript I’d probably assume they’re either an intolerable brownnoser or fresh-off-the-turnip-truck levels of junior

not disagreeing with your point but im gonna have a lil lol over the fact that ive literally written a letter on your behalf when a hiring decision wasn't firm

my sincere apologies

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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CompeAnansi posted:

Yeah, it's because the first freeways in socal were not numbered, but instead named, e.g., "the san diego freeway" and "the santa monica freeway". When they started numbering them, people who were used to calling it "the santa monica freeway" switched to just saying "the 10" instead, keeping the "the" in front. The rest of the country would typically say something like I-10 instead, so it is somewhat unusual. That said, I grew up in the central coast and we all called it the 101, so the dialect makes it that far north, at least.

as any travel in LA inevitably requires a list of no less than 3 freeways, they need to pepper "The" in there to break things up so you can tell if it's "5 to 10" or "5, 210"

"the 5 to the 10" just jam extra syllables to make up for the awful infrastructure

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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Its a Rolex posted:

i had an interviewer for an embedded role in college get mad that i wrote binary search "like a software engineer instead of like an electrical engineer." i think he meant recursively instead of iteratively but it felt like a dig and he didn't qualify anything when he asked the question

having dealt with reams of code from both you should run screaming from the one who wants code like an electrical engineer

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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Dijkstracula posted:

I have half a mind to A/B test applying to web3 companies with and without my max deadlift on my resume

when I show up to an OS/deadlift competition and my competition is Dawson Engler

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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nudgenudgetilt posted:

i'm pretty sure there's no way i'd survive a week at a faang

idk your direct manager matters so much

my first staff meeting here, I had a list of bugs I'd worked on and was ready to talk about them, my boss gets there, closes the door, and says "hey has anyone heard any cool rumors???"

the manager across the hall had daily drop down 1:1's with every member of his staff. now I would've wilted under that kind of scrutiny, but ive lasted 7 years here at this point

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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i asked for, and received, genuine honest interview feedback exactly once in my life

startups often ask folks in their network to interview, this was one of those, she'd already given her feedback to the company and didn't owe me poo poo, impulsively I shot off an email asking for feedback

devastating. wrecked my whole weekend, wouldn't do it again

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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raminasi posted:

i wish, when i was considering joining a startup, i'd asked myself how much time i was willing to spend managing the egos of a pair of twenty-somethings who have lots of authority but absolutely zero leadership experience

oh hey been there


they're still doing that company, I can't imagine trudging on that path for 10 years after I'd left

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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bob dobbs is dead posted:

"stealing the vc's money"

idk, they weren't doing a great job of that even when I was around

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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rotor posted:

poo poo like reversing a linked list is still common.

e.g. a VP will still know how to do this if they want to see you write code


cheese eats mouse posted:

still unemployed woooo

im soooooo jealous

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JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

speaking of monies, is refusing to say any number until they do the way to go with these things? i hate this stupid song and dance i have to go along with to the point i'm way more inclined to apply for any position that just tells me what the salary range is gonna be right upfront

it's not even a matter of wasting my time interviewing and then finding out they're paying way below average, since with what i'm used to they could offer me pocket lint and a stick of beef jerky and i'd probably take it. it's the principle of the thing

my default setting is "joking" so when pressed for a number while unemployed I'd say "you've gotta beat zero!" and BS some line about needing interesting work and the compensation should line up to industry standards

the low end of the first range I ever heard while sticking to not saying anything was 50% higher than my previous salary. CO/CA have tried to make the range apparent but I'd still expect it pays to play "don't say the first number"

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