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KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

So I'm being put on a performance review plan for having the audacity to not work weekends. Manager just told me she wanted to avoid this because if(she means when) i'm let got the company will give a bad reference if they're contacted for employment verification. What the gently caress is this horseshit? Seems super illegal and like a tactic to get me to quit.

I'm kind of panicking now and I hope I don't gently caress up the phone screens I have lined up.

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KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

"normal" employers will only say whether you are eligible for re-hire.

if you were fired, the answer to that question is "no," which is bad.

good to know. new job. or quit before the program end date.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

got ghosted today for a technical call, but it was wework so... eh?

salary chat: making 86k in nj(far enough to not warrant nyc salary apparently) first job out of college(2015) got hired at 75k with 10k bonus


i put in for all my PTO before this PIP starts, manager approved it and hasn't started the process with hr yet. i really think she just wants me to quit so she doesn't have to do paperwork.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Had a phonecall with an internal interviewer that ended in those questions that determine if the actual hiring manager will look at your resume. The questions asked were open ended and also worded terribly so I had no idea what the gently caress was going on.

Here's an example. "What method would you override to find the root view controller?" There is no method overriding required for this. The answer is UIApplication.sharedApplication().keyWindow?.rootViewController. I said "I wouldn't override anything I would use this to find it" She tells me that's wrong and asks if I've ever heard of loadView. Which I explained is what you would do if you were creating a navigation UI programmatically to set something as the root, but of course that doesn't mean poo poo and I won't get a call.

What am I even supposed to do there?

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005


I was definitely polite, but also trying to express like hey I'm not an idiot please just get me a technical.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Ciaphas posted:

it sucks so bad, especially being naturally anxious

you'd think i'd be used to worrying a lot but my poor heart feels like it's gonna evac my chest in a minute and the guy hasn't called yet

I don't know if you are seeking prescription treatment for brainsads, but you should be able to ask your psych or maybe even your gp for something for performance anxiety. I got prescribed propanolol and it works to an extent(in my case letting me actually speak and think).

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Ciaphas posted:

i think they just wanted me to prove that i can use binary search trees recursively and non- but i stumbled so hard on the second half i'm not sure they're even convinced i understand what a bintree is

maybe if i email the hiring manager

i feel like this would sound like i would want to do this also, but i think the advice in here from more experienced folks will be don't.



Dealing with sad brains and job searching is not going well for me.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Dijkstracula posted:

lmao yeah and they started the interview by saying "so I'm sure you remember this encoding strategy from college, ..."

like my dude I went to a b-tier state school equivalent in canada, somehow I think we had different university experiences

that is some real poo poo. I had a teacher that loved LZW compression and drilled that poo poo into us. i got good grades on his tests but gently caress if I can remember how to implement it. especially under interview pressure.

got a code take home. a password validating framework with unit tests shouldn't take too long right?

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Ciaphas posted:

what a ducking farce lmao

even if that falls through my doctors giving me a metroprolol scrip to help keep my heart calmer under pressure (and in general, BP is a touch high anyway) so good day overall :toot:

Stay healthy, and hopefully you don't need the metroprolol for interview purposes in the near future.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Ciaphas posted:

nbsd wouldn't be proud of how hard i managed to negotiate myself out of some figgies, but

:yotj: 100k, may 13, movin' to boulder, CO assuming that meets my current place's 60d requirement :yotj:

Congrats! Seeing your story through this thread is awesome.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

holy poo poo that whiteboarding tetris thing is miserable. I don't think I could figure out how to code a t spin


have a call with amazon at 3. i was feeling confident all up to this morning but once it hit noon anxiety brain has kicked in. :smith:

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

I think my call went ok or the interviewer was nice enough to make me feel like it went ok.


either way i need to get more applications out because i only have this and one other prospect and both are waiting on feedback from them so if things don't progress i'm boned

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

iospace posted:

Well, looks like I might have an onsite soon :toot:

nice.

recruiter for company that set up on site called me today to tell me "CTO had some ideas this weekend and we're changing the way we hire for mobile roles so we'll get back to you once that process is settled." I guess I dodged a bullet?? Also someone is surprise quitting the iOS team and suddenly everyone is being nice to me while giving me his work. I feel like I should say no unless I get taken of the performance plan. Can't wait to get the gently caress out of here too.

anyways why would a company(big mobile payments co) have a 6 hour on site? that sounds so miserable i almost want to bomb the pair programming(no i don't i need money)

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

gonadic io posted:

Check in: that's 5/5 no thank yous, now I have nothing in the pipeline and need to start emailing recruiters again.

Keep going friend. I'm in the same boat, bunch of no thank yous(including one this am), and a rescinded invite for on-site. This is not helping with my impostor syndrome :(

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

i threw a resume out in the wind for a position in LA. They want to fly me out after a very informal high level phone interview. I'm from NJ my wife works in NYC and just got a promotion.

This is going to be the most Curb Your Enthusiasm theme rear end moment in my life if I get an offer.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

hobbesmaster posted:

the job should understand if you eventually turn them down with “i didn’t like la”

yeah, the curbed moment comes from this being the first offer after looking for a job for the past 4 months.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

I got a take home to do and they asked me not to post it on github. First time that's happened and it seems like a red flag.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

So I had a full blown panic attack last night, and I think it's because company x is flying me out to LA. Not sure what exactly to do in this situation. I'm not sure what would have happened if my wife hadn't been there with me, and now I'm terrified of this happening on the plane, in the hotel, in the bathroom of the company, during an interview, etc.

Do I just back out gracefully? I've only had one other on site in the past months of looking and I'm tired of job searching, but this seems really bad for my mental health. I'm not 100% sure the on site is what triggered it, but to me this just seems like the final form of my performance anxiety.

Sorry for e/n but it's job search related e/n

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

MononcQc thank you. That is some really well written and good advice. I will put that into practice asap. I'm seeing my psych on Friday. Hopefully, he can help, but should realistically look into therapy. I think all of the things you suggested are reasonable to put in place by next week, but still not really certain about flying out for the interview then.

Ciaphas thank you, too. the herb doesn't work for me. I just get more anxiety.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Fortified after talking in family, friends, and MononcQc's advice. Going to be heading over on the 14th for an on site on the 15th.

Also had an ok phone interview with Square, and a great one with NYT today. I think NYT will lead to an on-site.

Coderpad is much nicer than a google doc. I hope they add intellisense for swift soon.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

guys i have to apply for internships and suffer through coding tests

i am basically jesus, on the cross

(in this case the holy lance is hackerrank.com)

I still struggle with anxiety for code tests. so gently caress off.

also sir this is a wendys turn your monitor lol

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Is there a German loan word for when an elegant solution to yesterday’s phone screen problem pops into your head mid shower?

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

EVGA Longoria posted:

welcome to the cult of ruby

we all work 30 hour weeks and contribute nothing of value to society

but it pays the figgies

30 hour weeks? I’m doing the wrong type of dev. None of what we do contributes to society.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

i just sent in a code project that was actually very reasonable, took me 10 minutes to get it up and running with MVC. Then I slapped MVVM on it in like another hour and wrote some tests that gave me 70% coverage. PLEASE LET ME JOB

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

I'm in LA trying to get ready for this on-site. They sent me a schedule of interview sessions and the start time of the first interview. No info on the types of sessions. Email recruiter last week, he's out of office till today so he answers me this morning. Ask the recruiter what time I should be get there, you know for like a tour of the place or a whatever, he replies first interview is at 10. Weird.

Whatever, going to eat breakfast, get ready to crush this.

Then I will head right to the airport for a 5 hour flight home. :smith:'

Also Santa Monica seems lame take me back to New Jersey.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

uncurable mlady posted:

maybe you should swim out past the breakers and watch the world die

Anything particularly heinous happening today or would I be waiting until like Novermber 2020?

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

On the Uber back to LAX and I think it went fantastically well. The dude who would be my team lead was this awesome stereotypical Italian man that worked at NeXt with Steve Jobs. Welp time to head home and grind out more applications.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Fiedler posted:

so that was the only giant red sign or...?

Maybe it was novel because I didn’t directly work with him, but he was very charismatic and fun to talk to.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

So how do I word it to other places that hey I've had an on-site I think might lead to an offer please hurry your poo poo up without sounding like a pompous rear end in a top hat? I don't want to make decisions like move across the country in a vacuum .

Also what are real opinions on being in LA for tech specifically mobile? Will I be screwed if for whatever reasons things don't work out?

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

recruiter reached out and they want to extend an offer after one final interview session with the head of product and engineering. no numbers yet.

how to accurately calculate cost of living and take home salary? need to make sure numbers are actually worth it. so having an idea in my head when they come with numbers or if i cave when they ask. Not moving across the country for a 10k raise.

but god drat does this feel good for me mentally.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

The company I asked to expedite the process a bit, decided to pass. This was after I handed in my code sample. I asked for feedback on the code, and got back. "There was no feedback. I think there was a change in focus where they are looking for someone who is a very senior/lead iOS developer. If I get any specific feedback from the team, I will let you know." You're an internal recruiter you should know what the reqs are if they've changed. This is pretty frustrating as I thought I handed in some solid code.

Does anyone know iOS and have time to give me some feedback on this code? I'm pretty flustered right now.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Got conditional terms sent to me. Offer is 130k and 15k lump sum relocation. I make 86k in NJ. Am I being crazy in thinking that this may not be enough money to move cross country to Santa Monica?

At least I got given a number first.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

DELETE CASCADE posted:

15k is plenty of money for a cross country move

i'm talking the salary. A comparable place to live seems to be 2k more in Santa Monica that's like 30k gone from salary right there.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Ok so I think I'm meeting with the final boss of LA company tomorrow morning (he's in the EU.) Assuming this goes well, if it's more than a formality, I will finally have to discuss the number they offered me. How exactly do I word a counter?

"I think this is an excellent offer, but it does not align with my current expectations for this position and responsibilities which is x+y%"

Is something like that ok?

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

one weird trick to avoid making choices about moving across the country away from your family and friends is to have the company ghost you

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

KidDynamite posted:

one weird trick to avoid making choices about moving across the country away from your family and friends is to have the company ghost you

the other weird trick is to just get rejected after meeting with higher ups.

"In terms of specific feedback, the issues were focused around Design/UX/UI. [Head of Product] has since calibrated the team to explore more senior level hires that can demonstrate a keen Design/UX minded eye. Reason being is that he feels that because these roles are Native coding roles and because of the [Company] brand scope, our entire team needs to be very sharp when it comes to Design/UX. Unfortunately the app you are currently working on and the app you brought up with him during your call did not demonstrate Design/UX at the level he is targeting for our team and sad to say that swung the decision to a ‘no’."

I'm really confused as to how he expects me to have control over the UI decisions of a huge corporation. He asked what app I use often has a UI I really like and I answered honestly and said the WRC app. Which has a UI pretty similar to the app I would have been working on for him. Recruiter was really confused about it too after the team I met with was so enthusiastic.


Back to having no confidence.

I feel loving terrible too, because I would really like to have a job where I can have the financial confidence to tell my wife to quit the job she now comes home crying from daily(due to switching teams and now having a terrible boss) while she looks for a new one.

Is it possible to be burnt out on job searching? I'm really struggling on what I should be doing differently. Maybe do the absolute minimum at current job and build something that I think would be impressive on the side? I don't really have any great ideas currently.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

hobbesmaster posted:

why is Netflix in the FAANG list? are they really comparable to the others?

they pay more than the others

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Hughlander posted:

Following up the two parts that seem to be asked a lot:

1) Moving isn't really an option. I got a good price on a 1/3rd acre new construction in a Seattle Suburb. Paid ~700k it's worth ~ 1.2 now. It's also got a really large play set in the backyard that's not movable. I've done 40-60 min commutes for the past 7 years and that's not much of an issue for me. And that's why commute is so long, Seattle suburb where you can get new construction to downtown take awhile...
2) Last job (Also 40-60 min commute as mentioned above.) Had a fitness center. I used it almost every business day for the 4 years we were in that building. Prior to that (and when the kid was too young to notice.) I'd just go to a real gym most mornings before going to the office. Now that the kid is in school and more regimented on wake up / go to bed time is where things are difficult.

I guess I'll just need to assign a dollar value somehow to it and compare the comps. Who knows maybe the one I expect to be lower will surprise me, but I don't think it will. Or maybe the one I think is going to ghost to me will get back to me since that is better than either of the two, closer, even higher comp, gym across the street.

Why not use the extra money from higher paying job to build up a home gym? If you're going to sleep at 8pm you probably get up at 4am. That's plenty of time to get a work out in.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

sent a project in a week ago and have received nothing from the recruiter to indicate that it's been received or passed on to whoever is supposed to review it. i sent a follow up email the next day. should i bother sending another one today?

this is lovely, and inconsiderate af

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KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Shotgunning job applications today. Set up a call with Uber for a few weeks out since their phone screen is apparently hard as gently caress. It’s come to the point where I have to morally compromise myself :gonk:

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