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How religious is the avergage Iranian? Growing up, my South Asian parents were always shocked at how secular Iranian Canadians were, but I'm guessing that the Diaspora doesn't completely reflect the average Iranian.
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# ? Apr 17, 2021 16:03 |
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 07:29 |
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Depends on where you are, but I'd say fairly religious. In Tehran and the northern green belt they can be pretty lax but everywhere else it's serious business.
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# ? Apr 17, 2021 16:54 |
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ToxicAcne posted:How religious is the avergage Iranian? Growing up, my South Asian parents were always shocked at how secular Iranian Canadians were, but I'm guessing that the Diaspora doesn't completely reflect the average Iranian. Most of the diaspora is lax, but they can be religious. Majority of my family is pretty stringent Atheists, while my family in Iran tends to be more religious or not mention their religion at all. I would say they are less religious then Arabs and a large chunk would prefer a secular society. The major issue is age, the population doubled (big baby boom), post revolution, so none of them had a say in the current Islamic Republic. Then they had two large scale protests (2009 and 2018) be horribly depressed, so also can see some nihilism. Speaking of which is this the thread to discuss the potential civil war in Pakistan and them collapsing into further religious fundamentalism, which ain't great.
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Death By The Blues posted:Speaking of which is this the thread to discuss the potential civil war in Pakistan and them collapsing into further religious fundamentalism, which ain't great. Can you post about it? I wasn't aware of this at all.
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 14:37 |
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Plutonis posted:Can you post about it? I wasn't aware of this at all. pakistan has been the supporting base of the afghan taliban for a reason; plenty of people believe in the wahhabist ideology, and it has been gaining a whole lot of ground as a reaction to the american invasions or at least, thats what my afghan comrades have been telling me
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brotha from anatha posted:pakistan has been the supporting base of the afghan taliban for a reason; plenty of people believe in the wahhabist ideology, and it has been gaining a whole lot of ground as a reaction to the american invasions The current stuff going on right now with the TLP is different. Their base is mostly Barelvi (Sufi Oriented), and most of Pakistan is Barelvi. These guys seem to have a more popular base and they really hate Salfafis. I guess it goes to show that even traditional sunnism can devolve into extremism as well.
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 18:07 |
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and even most of the extremists in that region are the super xenophobic strain of deobandi the brits promoted to gently caress over indian independence. they suck but they're most definitely not wahhabists.
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Zedhe Khoja posted:and even most of the extremists in that region are the super xenophobic strain of deobandi the brits promoted to gently caress over indian independence. they suck but they're most definitely not wahhabists. It's not really the case now, but around when Independence was happening, the Deobandis were the ones vehemently against Partition while the Barelvis were for it. It's important to realize that alot of Fundamentalists are pretty Quietist. Edit: A common conspiracy theory in Pakistan is that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a British collaborator who founded Ahmadism to gently caress over independence.
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 18:16 |
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I don't actually know where I got the idea deobandis were the pro-partition faction. I think it just emerged from a flawed combination of ideas about who the kind of pro/anti partition factions must have been.ToxicAcne posted:Edit: A common theory in Pakistan is gently caress Ahmadism seriously every Pakistani internet space i've stumbled into is usually wall to wall antiahmadist stuff and they're like 2% of the pop. It's like reading an early 30's german newspaper.
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Zedhe Khoja posted:I don't actually know where I got the idea deobandis were the pro-partition faction. I think it just emerged from a flawed combination of ideas about who the kind of pro/anti partition factions must have been. it's all confusing as hell. for a long time i thought the taliban was an explicitly pashtun organization until i looked at a dang map of control
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Zedhe Khoja posted:I don't actually know where I got the idea deobandis were the pro-partition faction. I think it just emerged from a flawed combination of ideas about who the kind of pro/anti partition factions must have been. Yeah the Anti Ahmadism stuff is deranged. Especially when you consider that the equivalent of the Nuremberg laws have been in place for decades. I think the confusion about Deobandis and Barelvis comes from the characterization of Sufi Mysticism as good and Orthodox Islam as bad, which is something I've had to grapple with the past few years. The Anti-Blasphemy killings are always spearheaded by Barelvis, as is much of the Anti Ahmadism
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 18:36 |
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I think I was just connecting the "taliban sect" to partitianism arbitrarily of my own accord. I mostly forget that pakistan is sufi-city unless I'm actively reading about it. I have seen weird sufi=socialists comments a couple times on the forums, and I don't really get how you make that kind of connection, but there are definitely strange thoughts about sufism going around the internet.
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 19:02 |
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i just believe that cultural cross-pollination occurs without respect for religious borders, especially when it comes to extremist interpretations of cultural heritage as justification for fascist movements. if those bastards over in that neighbourhood are going fasc, im gonna go fasc too!
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 19:15 |
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Ya Sufism is really interesting but it can easily devolve into really reactionary, culty behaviour. For what it's worth the Pakistani diaspora is overwhelmingly Deobandi/Salafi which is why I found the secularism of my Iranian friends really interesting. I think Pakistan could use alot more of that kind of thinking. I have seen some Iranians take it onto a really wierd direction though with the reverence for the Shah, or obsession with Zoroastrianism.
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 19:18 |
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ToxicAcne posted:Ya Sufism is really interesting but it can easily devolve into really reactionary, culty behaviour. that's because a lot of the iranian diaspora went into exile around the revolution, so they're usually either secular or monarchists or both. similar with vietnamese immigrants being largely anticommunist
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 19:29 |
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Alot of them are leftists too no? For a while the leader of the leftist party in Quebec was Iranian.
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 19:34 |
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maybe, but probably less so nowadays and/or recruited by CIA
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 19:42 |
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ToxicAcne posted:Ya Sufism is really interesting but it can easily devolve into really reactionary, culty behaviour. Iranians generally have a thing for leaders in their literature and movements, hence why a movement like the Arab Spring is kind of trickier to pull off their. They need a figure head to kind of point too, like Mousavi in 2009. The revolution in 79 had actually a bunch of different groups, however, the Ayatollah become the leader of one movement and the rest is history.
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 19:54 |
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yeah the whole “sufis” are “spiritual and not religious” or whatever white people believe about it rn is like the whole Buddhists don’t believe in god shtick, which would not be true if you went to like Myanmar or smthimg.ToxicAcne posted:A common conspiracy theory in Pakistan is that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a British collaborator who founded Ahmadism to gently caress over independence. don’t the ahmedis also claim that their prophet is after Muhammad but that they’re also Muslims? I can see why a majority Muslim population would view those claims as anathema, and the belief you wrote about would also help cause tension. PawParole has issued a correction as of 20:42 on Apr 18, 2021 |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MapEthiopia/status/1383817433996173315 https://mobile.twitter.com/MapEthiopia/status/1383512228985413636
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# ? Apr 18, 2021 20:41 |
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PawParole posted:yeah the whole “sufis” are “spiritual and not religious” or whatever white people believe about it rn is like the whole Buddhists don’t believe in god shtick, which would not be true if you went to like Myanmar or smthimg. That is true, but Pakistani history since Independence has been basically capitulation after capitulation to Islamists. Ironically the Ahmadis were one of the groups most in favour of Partition and Pakistan's first foreign minister was Ahmadi as well. The first real Anti-Ahmadi Laws were put in place by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto the (extremely flawed) social democratic prime minister. Edit: Also the Muslim League's strongest support came from Bengal... Basically many of the groups who were most in favour of partition were the ones most burned by it. ToxicAcne has issued a correction as of 21:00 on Apr 18, 2021 |
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every country in the world has become more religiously fundamentalist and right wing since 1970ish. the reagan revolution was worldwide
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# ? Apr 19, 2021 01:20 |
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/19/ethiopia-declares-state-of-emergency-in-amhara-amid-violence Ethiopia declare state of emergency in Amhara region after 5 days of ethnic clashes. https://mobile.twitter.com/ma_h_der/status/1383813250060492808 NAMA Press Release in a nutshell: "NAMA believes that PM Abiy and OPP enabled and are behind the current State-sponsored terrorism The Amhara regional government wants UN peacekeepers to intervene PawParole has issued a correction as of 05:16 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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lmao https://twitter.com/YWN/status/1384481805588320259?s=20
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 13:24 |
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https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1384465461274980355?s=19 Ruled Chad for 30 years. His son will govern for now.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 14:38 |
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does this mean hes still immune to prosecution or is he going to explode into a million corruption cases
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 15:50 |
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OhFunny posted:Ruled Chad for 30 years. His son will govern for now.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 16:07 |
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:does this mean hes still immune to prosecution or is he going to explode into a million corruption cases I speak without expertise but I suspect a lot of that corruption is load-bearing for the state at this juncture
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 08:44 |
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https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1384917404795523078 https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1384921960455540736
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 19:47 |
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Coolest poo poo I ever saw
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 19:50 |
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1384917404795523078 Real satisfying sound, I wonder if they added it afterwards.
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 19:55 |
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What was the last time the US lost a carrier, WW2?
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 20:07 |
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1384917404795523078 Lol holy poo poo
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 20:23 |
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the international equivalent of sending someone a videotape of themselves undressing through a back window
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 22:38 |
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i haven't seen anyone else reporting that the son was taken out yet but it sounds like a circular firing squad https://twitter.com/RYP__/status/1384939841092194304
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 22:54 |
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1384917404795523078 stop sharing these creepshots
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 23:37 |
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PawParole posted:stop sharing these creepshots Non consensual pics are never okay to share.
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 23:37 |
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https://twitter.com/RFJ_USA/status/1384492344641265666?s=20 https://twitter.com/KhosroKalbasi/status/1384450357821116417?s=20 MI6 heads served as 'privy councillors' in Oman until at least 2019 https://twitter.com/pmillerinfo/status/1384429988540190721?s=20
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 23:38 |
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i know where he is but im not going to tell them
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# ? Apr 21, 2021 23:42 |
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 07:29 |
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hmmm.......... https://twitter.com/falasteen47/status/1385015058527305734 https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1385015471267790849
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