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GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Jose posted:

American conscription fails because people are too loving fat for ww3

no worries, trump is fast working on getting america in shape by deporting all of the people who harvest food in the us.

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GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/956108246011531264

the spice must flow babee

e: https://twitter.com/HoseinMortada/status/956225094216486912

YPG in Afrin denies the Al-Mayadeen report that they agreed with the regime to let in the SAA. There must be some agreement reached though, if they're letting YPG travel through government territory.

sputnik radio [i know, i know] was claiming that the russians had acted as brokers with an offer of SAA troops and supplies if the YPG in afrin would fly the syrian flag. supposedly that was turned down yesterday tho.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

viral spiral posted:

Isn't it loving hilarious how Turkey is still a part of NATO? Erdogan knows Europe is full of spineless cowards; it's why he's getting away with becoming a loving dictator.


It's full of neocons and pro-war centrists

the best part about this is that the US keeps airplane-based nukes in turkey at the same time as they are openly working with al-quaeda.

:911:

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

oh yeah well i think the chemical warfare denialists are trying to square a contradiction. first of all, they (a) don't believe the U.S. should go to war in syria, at least more than it already has, and they also (b) accept the view that using chemical weapons is verboten and would perhaps justify an intervention. so there's some cognitive dissonance there that resolves itself by concocting these false-flag stories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUyrgEtzbvM

what if i say that assad used chemical weapons but i don't think the U.S. should intervene? 'my god! then you accept children being gassed!' no, i don't think a U.S. attack will make it better. the germans rolled out chemical weapons in 1915 and the fact of their use didn't justify U.S. intervention then -- and there were all sorts of atrocity stories used to justify that war, many of them true i'm sure. was the U.S. entry into World War I a good idea, in retrospect?

it's kind of ghastly thing to say which is why you won't see it on the op-ed pages. but that's me being honest with myself.

the idea of chemical weapons being a red line is extremely arbitrary. the us has used chemical weapons (napalm, white phosphorous, agent orange) on civilian populations quite frequently since vietnam, and nobody has tried to ground our airforce to prevent further attacks on civilians. most nations routinely use chemical weapons (tear gas) on their own civilians. how is this legal? the us has had a huge hand in writing and interpreting these treaties, so incendiary weapons are considered distinct from war-gasses like chlorine, despite the fact that both chlorine and white phosphorous create toxic fumes that burn people's lungs from the inside. tear-gas manufacturers were able to insert a passage into the league of nations anti-chemical weapon resolution that explicitly allowed for the use of irritant gasses against civilians, but not soldiers. calling for a preemptive strike on assad for killing a few dozen people in an illegal manner while we aid our saudi allies in starving tens of thousands of people in yemen is pure legalistic hypocrisy.

also, US entry into WWI was purely about protecting the investments of US war profiteers and was a terrible idea that stoked decades of white nationalism both in the US and abroad. the allies and the entente both used chemical weapons extensively, so the war propaganda in the us focused more on unrestricted submarine warfare, which violated the rules of warfare at the time. it is worth noting that the germans were forced into this measure due to the british creating Q ships (warships masquerading as civilian shipping that attacked german subs when they attempted to evacuate the crew safely), which also was a violation of the rules of warfare, but the british propaganda that flooded the US omitted this. the idea of "international law" has nothing to do with protecting people's lives, but is entirely about protecting the interests of dominant nations and classes.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

HorrificExistence posted:

1st off, I think there is nothing particularly bad about using chemical weapons. No worse than incendiary bombs, for example. Either the west does nothing, showing Assad's authority (derived from a Weberian definition) or they blow up some dirt. It's a gamble that I think will pay off.

terror bombing - the most leftist of practices

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's impossible to even say if any of the targets which were struck had anything to do with Syria's chemical weapons capabilities. Like the Science & Research Center in Damascus is billed as being a government agency responsible for digitizing the country and bringing everyone the internet, but Western security experts have been insisting for years that they were the ones developing the chemical weapons program. It reminds me of the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing in 1998 when the Clinton administration insisted they were making VX nerve agent for Al Qaeda, but it really was just a pill plant and they caused an epidemic in Sudan.

bombing one of the few remaining scientific institutions in syria really pisses me off. chlorine gas is wwi technology, people make it at home accidentally all the time by mixing cleaning fluids. it is easy to make, doesn't require a huge research center or chemical plant. this did nothing except damage civilian industry.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

im not really sure WHY the us still cares about defending the pkk though, aside for trying to look like theyre not running. ISIS is dead and pkk are commies who have no real loyalty to the US aside for how many guns we can give them.

according to sputnik, the us is helping the pkk in order to secure their natural resources. untrustworthy source, but the most logical reason i've heard for why trump is helping his ideological opposite.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

thatfatkid posted:

a state does not cease to exist merely because it doesn't control all the territory it once did. did the USA cease to exist when the south seceded?

this is an argument that southern apologists make unironically, that the US disappeared between 1861 and 1865.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

propornot are Ukrainian nazis

that would explain why they wanted to create fake news {{{echoes}}}.

do you have evidence for that tho?

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kindest Forums User posted:

go look at the about us page and you decide my homie


https://twitter.com/propornot/status/1007536470289104896

lol, they completely abandoned all pretense of being us based like they had in 2016.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

this is very true, but this sort of approach is useful in pushing your "sensible centrist" audience away from supporting another manufactured war

no sensible centrist will read to the last paragraph of that brick, they will get bogged down by "elliot higgens demonstrates how he used google" before they get to the bits mildly critical of the us story. they will instead read bret stephens's article right next to it, about how iran is a pirate nation and we should commit acts of war against them.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo
i know that the msm usually doesn't cover yemen much, but i'm mystified why there has been no mention of the ambush in wapo over the last 3 days. there hasn't been a single mention of any of saudi arabia's defeats, at the same time that there has been one article claiming that wapo hasn't forgotten khashoggi, and a full page ad spread about journalist murders demanding justice that features khashoggi on the very top. how are they simultaneously covering for the house of saud while wasting money attacking it in ads?

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo
khashoggi's fall from grace started when he wrote an article accusing trump of being an iranian puppet immediately after trump's election. his logic was, "trump is a russain puppet, and russia and iran are allies, so trump must be an iranian puppet." he might still be alive today if he hadn't believed the russiagate reporting.

edit: also, today wapo has not only a full page ad about khashoggi, but a special 8 page oped section entirely about khashoggi. they're spending what must be hundreds of thousands of dollars on this memorial to an extremely mediocre contributor to their paper.

GoluboiOgon has issued a correction as of 14:59 on Oct 2, 2019

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Cerebral Bore posted:

I'm assuming the facts that Putin just utterly humiliated ol' Trump and is clearly working at cross-purposes to him are conveniently ignored?

clearly, only a russian puppet would humiliate themselves and america to boost putin's nefarious plan of ending the syrian civil war!

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

no gays though right?

thanks obama

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

note that he was also instrumental in the building of the ICE detainment camps


that's him in the center

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo
i'm just glad we're not getting wwiii, at least not this week.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Darth Walrus posted:

Yeah, Hannity specifically boasted that B-52s (which have a very similar radar profile to an airliner) were en route to Tehran, and then that plane went boom. Can’t really blame a jumpy Iranian air defence crew for thinking Fox News is reliable military intelligence.

why would a b-52 be taking off from an airport in tehran, and why was this iranian aa team glued to fox news? there was what, an hour between the broadcast and the plane crash? how did a story that was only spread in the us two days later get translated, verified, and passed to local low-level troops in this timeframe, and why would the iranians trust hannity over their own radars? b-52s aren't exactly stealth bombers. this story makes no sense.

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GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Victory Position posted:

Santa Claus was aboard that Ukrainian plane. It was his vacation.

so that's why trump declared that he had won the war on christmas.

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