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aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

Most of that stuff is nice and would be good to have I guess but not a single bit of it is going to revive the game. It's going to take something major to revive MWO at this point. Some of it will probably help player retention, but if you show a new person or someone who has quit this list, they are not going to give a poo poo.

'Community' is also being thrown around like it's a magic word, but I remember how every single effort that has involved the community has gone in the past. Either PGI reads random forum posts from the brown sea and mashes it together into something new and terrible (remember the power draw public test?) or they have a focus group of people to whom they actually listen, and it's a very narrow slice of people who are totally disconnected from the concerns of most of the player base.

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novaSphere
Jan 25, 2003

quote:

Remove Torso Heat Spike Mechanic

Wait what? Does this mean getting rid of ghost heat?

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009

I think it refers to clan XL engines

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

Are there any good builds for the Dervish?

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

TheKingslayer posted:

Are there any good builds for the Dervish?

yes

https://mech.nav-alpha.com/#c0ab1f5f_DV-6MR

the rocket launchers are there for the 10% missile bay door damage reduction. can remove them for a bigger engine or more HS at your discretion

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

novaSphere posted:

Wait what? Does this mean getting rid of ghost heat?

When IS LFEs or Clan XLs lose a side torso that contains an engine, your heat cap is reduced by a large amount. It was an attempt to nerf these engine types, but mostly it has just resulted in people suddenly being way overheated and dying instantly the second they lose a side torso, which not many people like.

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

aniviron posted:

When IS LFEs or Clan XLs lose a side torso that contains an engine, your heat cap is reduced by a large amount. It was an attempt to nerf these engine types, but mostly it has just resulted in people suddenly being way overheated and dying instantly the second they lose a side torso, which not many people like.

I've experienced this for the first time recently and it's seriously awful.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

This is the kind of stuff I would appreciate if it was the follow-up to a major content reveal.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

They probably don't have the resources to do big content updates.

Anita Dickinme
Jan 24, 2013


Grimey Drawer
Unless they make it open world (galaxy) there ain’t much they can do to bring back old players and retain current ones. At least in my opinion.

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib
Maybe they need better marketing or some kind of single player campaign baked in. I only ever hear about this game from Battletech franchise fans.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
There are so many trash chinese games that I play where you can que up for more than one thing at the same time and some how PGI can't figure that out.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
it is kinda weird because you would think no new players would play this game but as of a few months ago I kept seeing cadets in game and the like (and they were playing like cadets so I don't think it was smurfing)

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009

Marx Headroom posted:

Maybe they need better marketing or some kind of single player campaign baked in. I only ever hear about this game from Battletech franchise fans.

This is something I brought up in the dicussion thread! Its not just a news post; but actually exists and seems to be full of people telling them to fix MC and bundle prices.

If you have two seconds, nows a time to angrypost and jump on the bandwagon.

but yeah, Yeah, fixing things and then promoting it is something that definitely needs to happen.

How Disgusting
Feb 21, 2018
They've had plenty of time.

At this point they're like a lich barely and jealously hanging on to life. They might get a good idea here and there, but when and if that idea gets turned into a monthly goal it's going to be done at pgi speed and at pgi quality. There is potential for a good mech game (look at roguetech or the late hawken or chromehounds) and the critical mass of players to pay for it, but as long as the pgi undead lives it's not getting off the chair.

Lorem ipsum
Sep 25, 2007
IF I REPORT SOMETHING, BAN ME.
The mostly outlined a bunch of bugfixes and are pretending that will boost the games's popularity. I mean sure, please remove the heat spike, but doing this isn't going to attract new players.


The only way forward is to add more depth to the game somehow. New gamemodes(asymmetric attack/defend, scenario based stuff, clan/faction battles where you capture territory/resources and it matters), more mechanics (make scouting a thing, DFA, stability), or even more weapons/modules.


Also good god overhaul the UI

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

Lorem ipsum posted:

The only way forward is to add more depth to the game somehow. New gamemodes(asymmetric attack/defend, scenario based stuff, clan/faction battles where you capture territory/resources and it matters), more mechanics (make scouting a thing, DFA, stability), or even more weapons/modules.


They did say in that list that they want to overhaul how the game modes work, and I agree this should have been a huge priority about six to eight years ago. It would still help now, but given how the last few game modes PGI has made have come out, I'm not so sure about this plan; not to mention the fact that it's listed as just another bullet point. I guess fixing the game modes that are core to how MWO plays will be about as much work as adding a new discord channel.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener
I bought the $100 founder pack back in the day & have not spent a penny on it since.
I've got quite a good selection of mechs now & will probably keep playing on & off till they shut the servers down.

Don't get me wrong, I've had my moneys worth but pgi can gently caress off if they think they can get me to spend more.

Once bitten, twice shy & all that.

How Disgusting
Feb 21, 2018

aniviron posted:

They did say in that list that they want to overhaul how the game modes work, and I agree this should have been a huge priority about six to eight years ago. It would still help now, but given how the last few game modes PGI has made have come out, I'm not so sure about this plan; not to mention the fact that it's listed as just another bullet point. I guess fixing the game modes that are core to how MWO plays will be about as much work as adding a new discord channel.

PGI is like the gambler slash drunk that destroys the family fortune. Even when they have a solution it's a Homer solution and it just fucks up something else.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

aniviron posted:

When IS LFEs or Clan XLs lose a side torso that contains an engine, your heat cap is reduced by a large amount. It was an attempt to nerf these engine types, but mostly it has just resulted in people suddenly being way overheated and dying instantly the second they lose a side torso, which not many people like.

Sort of, originally losing your side torso also removed an amount of heat corresponding to the heat capacity removed, which crippled your heat sinking but didn't increase your current heat relative to your cap. Then in one of the later balance updates they changed it so that you lost the cap but not the heat so now you have the present state where losing your side torso can often give you an out of control heat spike. I'm guessing the proposal is to revert that back to the original state.

Pattonesque posted:

it is kinda weird because you would think no new players would play this game but as of a few months ago I kept seeing cadets in game and the like (and they were playing like cadets so I don't think it was smurfing)

there's not a whole lot of alternative games to play if you like piloting stompy mechs, especially if you're not a big fan of japanese stuff or want online, so i think thats probably gonna ensure a steady trickle no matter what pgi does

Vomitorium
Oct 2, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Pornographic Memory posted:

there's not a whole lot of alternative games to play if you like piloting stompy mechs, especially if you're not a big fan of japanese stuff or want online, so i think thats probably gonna ensure a steady trickle no matter what pgi does

bigtime. If you're a young developer looking for a genre, make us our open universe MMO mech game and you'll become a rich person!

Anita Dickinme
Jan 24, 2013


Grimey Drawer

Vomitorium posted:

bigtime. If you're a young developer looking for a genre, make us our open universe MMO mech game and you'll become a rich person!

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
If I had a game that was essentially MechWarrior plus Mass Effect I don’t think I’d play anything else

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
Go out and shoot stompy robots with your space bros and space gals and then go back to the dropship and ask them how they FELT about it

Willfrey
Jul 20, 2007

Why don't the poors simply buy more money?
Fun Shoe
PGI includes controversial sidequest where you gently caress a Tetatae

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib
Oh God, yes please. My fav parts of MW2 Mercs and MW3 were the inbetween mission stuff. It doesn't even take that much money to develop! Hire a writer and a few voice actors! Christ

Vomitorium
Oct 2, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Pattonesque posted:

If I had a game that was essentially MechWarrior plus Mass Effect I don’t think I’d play anything else

yeah but MMO

think more Eve Online

then we can all band together and be terrible to people generally and defend our shithole in space with stompy robots

why log in? coz we'll lose the space-clubhouse to those cunts. i dont need any more reason than that

Anita Dickinme
Jan 24, 2013


Grimey Drawer
Truly make the pubbies hate goons again. :allears:

Vomitorium
Oct 2, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
we just had MW5. how was the AI? poo poo eh?

hottip: since the days of quake, bots are bots and players are another thing entirely.

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
Eve online loving sucks

And so did faction play in this game

Vomitorium
Oct 2, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Artificer posted:

Eve online loving sucks

And so did faction play in this game

because you sit in a spaceship and dont do poo poo. you dont aim or anything, you say 'orbit at whatever' and press the pew pew button

i mean anyone that's in here should be like Eve? the game where you don't acutally play the combat?

im talking about a MECHWARRIOR GAME with VR in the cockpit

gently caress Eve. it's more think of that scale

Vomitorium
Oct 2, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
faction play yeah but i could never like find consistent good fights

coz its sorta random whos in there is the usual team game of get smashed or smash

nah, its needs to be like MW5 and other merc games, run a company, fly about choosing where to deploy, fitting out your mechs, thats what we all love

just with other real people doing it too

How Disgusting
Feb 21, 2018

Artificer posted:

Eve online loving sucks

And so did faction play in this game

There was a period when it was really good. Before incarna, before aggro changes and before the gordon gecko memo. I'd play eve classic if it didn't have premium currency or carebear protection.

I was with suddenly ninjas and it was a great gaming experience, only really comparable with the first month of the mwo beta.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
All they need to do is add a merc option for quick play where you might get thrown into faction play.

Maybe a box as well for solaris but lol.

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib
Just had a Skirmish where the only surviving mechs (me and 3 enemies) all managed to destroy each other's weapons with 5 mins remaining so we circled around each other for a bit, stared at each other, and headed for the nearest bridge where we tried to joust each other off at top speed. Starting to wonder if we could've killed each other from collision damage within the time limit.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Marx Headroom posted:

Just had a Skirmish where the only surviving mechs (me and 3 enemies) all managed to destroy each other's weapons with 5 mins remaining so we circled around each other for a bit, stared at each other, and headed for the nearest bridge where we tried to joust each other off at top speed. Starting to wonder if we could've killed each other from collision damage within the time limit.

I won a domination game where it was my Quickdraw IV4, a friendly Vapor Eagle, and two enemies were left and all of us were out of ammunition or had all of our weapons destroyed. The Vapor Eagle killed themselves by not getting out of the way of their own tactical strike and the two enemy mechs were trying to tap me to death. I jumped up onto a building in the zone where they couldn't reach me. My team had a little bit more time in the zone taken, so I won the match by just standing there looking at my enemies going, "Na na na na na!"

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

Star Man posted:

I won a domination game where it was my Quickdraw IV4, a friendly Vapor Eagle, and two enemies were left and all of us were out of ammunition or had all of our weapons destroyed. The Vapor Eagle killed themselves by not getting out of the way of their own tactical strike and the two enemy mechs were trying to tap me to death. I jumped up onto a building in the zone where they couldn't reach me. My team had a little bit more time in the zone taken, so I won the match by just standing there looking at my enemies going, "Na na na na na!"

The Thinking Man's Shooter™

How Disgusting
Feb 21, 2018

aniviron posted:

The Thinking Man's Shooter™

The thinking person's shooter.

Also the only game where all women sound like quire boys.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!
This may be the wrong thread to ask this, but I had a moment of nostalgia for playing Mechwarrior 4, and wondered if there was any place to find it these days. I looked on GOG but they don't seem to sell it. I don't want to play a multiplayer game so MW:O isn't really what I'm looking for.

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smooth jazz
May 13, 2010

Worst case scenario you could play MW5 with the MW4 music mod.

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