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I'm not a fan of that article. I really wish the writer went into some more detail on some of the combos (the kiki-jiki one being the biggest one. Is the combo just that you can use Kiki-jiki to trigger the other cards CiT abilities at will? Most kiki-jiki decks I've seen focus more on making him go infinite on making tokens and then using said tokens to win). Also... is just saying "storm" really a combo?
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Randalor posted:I'm not a fan of that article. I really wish the writer went into some more detail on some of the combos (the kiki-jiki one being the biggest one. Is the combo just that you can use Kiki-jiki to trigger the other cards CiT abilities at will? Most kiki-jiki decks I've seen focus more on making him go infinite on making tokens and then using said tokens to win). Also... is just saying "storm" really a combo? Since you have to (presumably, I dont play magic) build around this, which is having enough mana, and a reliable way to play and replay spells, favorably low mana spells that play into each other, and then tutor/draw out your desired storm card, hell yeah its a combo. The cards are different between each formulation but the methods dont chnage much.
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Sep 7, 2018 15:04
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Randalor posted:I'm not a fan of that article. I really wish the writer went into some more detail on some of the combos (the kiki-jiki one being the biggest one. Is the combo just that you can use Kiki-jiki to trigger the other cards CiT abilities at will? Most kiki-jiki decks I've seen focus more on making him go infinite on making tokens and then using said tokens to win). Also... is just saying "storm" really a combo? Kikki does go infinite with any creature that enters the battlefield and says “untap target creature “. The usual suspects are Pestermite and Deciever Exarch, but Zealous Conscripts or even Restoration Angel can do it (Angel token ETBs and targets Kikki, which returns untapped and uses its ability again, repeat until opponent is dead.). The card Splinter Twin does the same thing as an enchantment that’s one mana cheaper, and that was too powerful for modern.
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Sep 7, 2018 15:08
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Yeah I don't like that article. It kinda seems like someone who was on the border between casual and competitive trying to talk about the most powerful competitive combo decks, that he knows about but isn't intimately familiar with. It's just a little weird. The storm thing does bother me, too. Like sure, the basic idea behind storm decks is the same, but I've played two different storm decks in the past week that play pretty differently. And that's not even taking into account some of the weirder past decks like Dragonstorm decks. Calling out a literal card ability that is used more-or-less as intended as a "combo" just seems weird. Also the dredge one is weird. Again, dredge decks have been around since the cards were printed and he points out Bridge from Below and Bazaar of Baghdad? Bridge from Below isn't even played in a lot of dredge decks. Why would you list it as one of the main parts of the combo instead of an actual card with dredge (which is the primary engine of the deck) or one of the main payoffs like Narcomoeba or Ichorid. Edit: Actually on closer review I think this guy has no idea what he's talking about. Playing Petrified Field in Vintage Dredge is baffling and seems to imply he is either very bad at the game or has pretty much never played the deck in his life. Phthisis has a new favorite as of 15:28 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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Sep 7, 2018 15:16
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Check out the new Soul Fusion promo card: quote:If a Token is Special Summoned (except during the Damage Step): You can Special Summon this card from the GY (if it was there when that Token was Summoned) or hand (even if not). You can only use this effect of "Token Collector" once per turn. If this card is Special Summoned: Destroy as many Tokens on the field as possible, and if you do, this card gains 400 ATK for each Token destroyed. Neither player can Special Summon Tokens. RIP Scapegoat
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Sep 7, 2018 16:38
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For some reason, I was blanking on the fact that Kiki-Jiki gives the tokens haste, but I still stand by "Storm is not a combo".
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Sep 7, 2018 21:02
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Super Waffle posted:Check out the new Soul Fusion promo card: It will hilarious if scapegoat get hit on the ban list, making that card basically useless.
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Sep 7, 2018 23:09
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Nah. There's loads of other stuff that generates tokens and are seeing play. The most common being Mecha Phantom Beast O-Lion and Dandylion, who are key members of GoodStuffLink.dek.
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Sep 8, 2018 00:15
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Vandar posted:GoodStuffLink.dek. This isn't Vandar being pithy by the way, there's actually a deck in Japan players call "Good Stuff Link" which just throws together all the best swarming cards to spam Link Summons, and it's competitive enough that people really are sideboarding Token Collector against it.  https://roadoftheking.com/ocg-2018-07-metagame-report-9-10/
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Sep 8, 2018 02:58
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Vandar posted:Nah. There's loads of other stuff that generates tokens and are seeing play. Dandelion is banned and has been for a while. Maybe the Ocg is different but no meta deck plays Mecha phantom beast O lion. The only other token cards that are meta are the sky striker card and phantom blaster which is a tech card at best.
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Sep 8, 2018 03:32
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CharlestheHammer posted:Dandelion is banned and has been for a while. Maybe the Ocg is different but no meta deck plays Mecha phantom beast O lion. The only other token cards that are meta are the sky striker card and phantom blaster which is a tech card at best. I was referring to OCG meta so.  TCG is a hot mess that's ran by a joker and it's better for everyone involved if we pretend like it doesn't exist.
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Sep 8, 2018 06:06
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Huh I just learned there's two different Yu-Gi-Oh card games
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Sep 8, 2018 06:43
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YuGiOh is kinda a hot mess.
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Sep 8, 2018 18:07
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Vandar posted:I was referring to OCG meta so. The TCG is fine the only real issue is they sometimes don’t get cards for no real reason. Len posted:Huh I just learned there's two different Yu-Gi-Oh card games PubicMice posted:YuGiOh is kinda a hot mess. No more than magic really. Card games in general are giant messes.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:35
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Ineffiable posted:https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/abesargent-08162016-top-ten-combo-decks-of-all-time/ This is more "10 famous combo decks from Magic's history" and not the ten best in order. Also that Memory Jar deck is definitely #1, Pros Bloom just happened to be the first "combo" deck in Magic as the term is used these days.
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Sep 9, 2018 04:02
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CharlestheHammer posted:The TCG is fine the only real issue is they sometimes don’t get cards for no real reason. I very much would argue with that. It's not 'sometimes' they don't get cards, it's quite a bit more than that:  (This is slightly out of date, but even then.) Some of those are key cards that some decks need to function, and TCG likes to drag out their releases for whatever reason. Some of them are promos that they have no control over, but the rest make little sense as to why they don't release them. Even aside from that there's the fact that TCG is incredibly slow with it's banlists and likes to leave things on it for way longer than they should be. It's generally accepted that the OCG has a better and more interesting banlist, and it's definitely more consistent that the TCG. They get their list every three months, whereas the TCG is just like 'yeah whenever it doesn't matter'. Then we can get into the fact that the head of the TCG division thinks that lore doesn't exist in the game and will go out of his way to ignore or ruin lore on cards ("Check THIS out!"). So, uh, yeah. I wouldn't say the TCG is 'fine' and and that 'sometimes' not getting cards is the only real issue with it. EDIT: There’s the new time rules/end of match procedure too, which loving lol that’s warped the game in a terrible way. Vandar has a new favorite as of 04:54 on Sep 9, 2018 |
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Sep 9, 2018 04:27
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The ban list is fine and no different enough for one to be better. No one cares about the lore or whatever, as Lore has always been something Yu gi oh has half assed.
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Sep 9, 2018 12:26
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And again, I strongly disagree. The OCG has put a lot of effort into lore and card storylines for a long time now, especially since DUEA/the start of the Arc-V era, and most of that work is ignored by the TCG trying to be cutesy with names and translations and flavor text. It’s pretty unfair to say that no one cares about it, too. The YGO Goons discord is evidence enough of that considering how much we overanalyze card art and names whenever new cards are announced. As far as the banlist goes, I’d be willing to say most people have issues with the TCG lists, considering 1) all the cards that are on it that shouldn’t be, and 2) how infrequently TCG actually gives us our lists. I love the game to death, but it’d be pretty unfair of me to act like the TCG side of things doesn’t have issues. 
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Vandar posted:And again, I strongly disagree. The OCG has put a lot of effort into lore and card storylines for a long time now, especially since DUEA/the start of the Arc-V era, and most of that work is ignored by the TCG trying to be cutesy with names and translations and flavor text. It’s pretty unfair to say that no one cares about it, too. The YGO Goons discord is evidence enough of that considering how much we overanalyze card art and names whenever new cards are announced. imagine being this upset about yu-gi-oh translations
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hosed up that someone cares about card games in this, the post about game cards you care about thread Danger! is another YGO theme that's super on-point with thematically relevant effects - it's a bunch of cryptids that give your opponent a brief peek that they exist before hiding away in the hand again and having to be found (or even if they are found they get a different effect because lol powercreep but anyway). Also their names are loving amazing.  !?
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Sep 10, 2018 00:28
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  These two cards in a soldier-y token deck (Raise the alarm, conquerer's pledge, etc) are super fun. Doesn't win a lot but when it does it's quite hilarious.
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Sep 10, 2018 01:14
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AlphaKretin posted:hosed up that someone cares about card games in this, the post about game cards you care about thread That's a ridiculous mechanic and I would love for it to be a thing in magic. Card sits in your hand and when revealed because of your opponent it does something. Fight duresses and whatnot.
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Sep 10, 2018 10:20
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Netrunner does it a bunch:  
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Vandar posted:And again, I strongly disagree. The OCG has put a lot of effort into lore and card storylines for a long time now, especially since DUEA/the start of the Arc-V era, and most of that work is ignored by the TCG trying to be cutesy with names and translations and flavor text. It’s pretty unfair to say that no one cares about it, too. The YGO Goons discord is evidence enough of that considering how much we overanalyze card art and names whenever new cards are announced. The TCG does have issues, but most of them (outside the releasing cards thing) are shared by the OCG. The rest of the TCG doesn’t really care about lore, which is why they don’t release the books here. The banlist is more dynamic as it can be released when they feel it necessary. Granted they don’t always make the right hits but neither does the OCG. Firewall should have been banned months ago.
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Sep 10, 2018 13:08
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I care about card lore 
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Sep 10, 2018 15:16
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Speaking of Firewalls, Ice Wall and Fire Wall in Netrunner have some my favourite flavour text:  Along with this one:  "Nothing says we can't torture the runner in cyberspace!"
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Sep 10, 2018 15:43
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ilmucche posted:That's a ridiculous mechanic and I would love for it to be a thing in magic. Card sits in your hand and when revealed because of your opponent it does something. Fight duresses and whatnot. Not exactly the same, but there's a smattering of cards that do something when your opponent makes you discard them, generally putting the card into play or returning it to your hand.
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Sep 10, 2018 20:49
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RIP, Netrunner. 
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Sep 10, 2018 21:14
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:Not exactly the same, but there's a smattering of cards that do something when your opponent makes you discard them, generally putting the card into play or returning it to your hand. The Madness mechanic basically did this too, but in most Madness decks, the player themselves was doing the discard. UG Madness forever. And yeah RIP Netrunner.
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Sep 10, 2018 21:47
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I have a similar deck built around Day of the Dragons  It isn't about win %, it's about how absurd the wins are when they come!
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Sep 10, 2018 21:56
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There was on from the Onslaught block, I think Scourge, that turned you into a 5/5 dragon
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Sep 10, 2018 23:33
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Form of the Dragon
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Sep 10, 2018 23:40
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A flexible banlist schedule is fine. A banlist schedule that's been stretched to the point it snaps is loving not
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Sep 11, 2018 01:29
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PrinnySquadron posted:Netrunner does it a bunch: I just realized you can Shock! out Archives for three damage every run there, unless I'm missing something? 
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Sep 11, 2018 03:01
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PrinnySquadron posted:Netrunner does it a bunch: Incredible, they even have the same naming scheme!
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Sep 11, 2018 03:03
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food court bailiff posted:I just realized you can Shock! out Archives for three damage every run there, unless I'm missing something? That is indeed correct as written. Gotta get them in there, first, after that... 
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Sep 11, 2018 06:15
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Breached Dome will hit them as well each time they run on archives. It makes it interesting: If I access them from R&D(their deck) do i let them sit there and be drawn and risk hitting if I run on HQ(their hand) or hit if they play it face-down or do I make them discard it and make running on the discard pile riskier? EDIT: Coincidentally, my friend hates playing against Jinteki
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Sep 11, 2018 09:14
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The Bloop posted:I have a similar deck built around Day of the Dragons
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Why is that dragon's shoulder a giant eye? Because he doesn't have any on his face. (It's not though)
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