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Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

RealityWarCriminal posted:

FF we're gonna need a long post about the history of francophones and jews in quebec

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

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Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Hubbert posted:

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Who was it that ITT or the DND one years ago claimed that the plight of French Canadians was on par with (or worse than) that of Black Americans?

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Mister Speaker posted:

Who was it that ITT or the DND one years ago claimed that the plight of French Canadians was on par with (or worse than) that of Black Americans?

no one. it was the central thesis of that quebecois book with n-word in the title that was a minor controversy a few years back and got wendy mesley fired from cbc.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Mister Speaker posted:

Who was it that ITT or the DND one years ago claimed that the plight of French Canadians was on par with (or worse than) that of Black Americans?

iirc, they were referencing a book by pierre vallières

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Mister Speaker posted:

Who was it that ITT or the DND one years ago claimed that the plight of French Canadians was on par with (or worse than) that of Black Americans?

Francois Legault.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen

Arc Hammer posted:

Francois Legault.

lol

Nine of Eight
Apr 28, 2011


LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN
Dinosaur Gum

Mister Speaker posted:

Who was it that ITT or the DND one years ago claimed that the plight of French Canadians was on par with (or worse than) that of Black Americans?

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A8gres_blancs_d%27Am%C3%A9rique

I’d link the English wiki page but it’s unfortunately lacking on detail. definitely a product of its time period and pretty heavily critiqued since.
You might be thinking of the poster Gros Tarla who’s evidently Quebecois and occasionally tried to explain Quebec cultural issues when the CAQ was doing dumb poo poo and got pretty heavily trolled by the thread. Although we definitely don’t agree on some poo poo I didn’t think he ever made that argument though.

Guigui
Jan 19, 2010
Winner of January '10 Lux Aeterna "Best 2010 Poster" Award

Legault's stance on this is interesting - given the CAQ has little love for either McGill or Concordia U... or basically anything found within the island of Montreal.

digitalist
Nov 17, 2000

journey into Kirk's unknown


RealityWarCriminal posted:

FF we're gonna need a long post about the history of francophones and jews in quebec

FF?

Rodney The Yam II
Mar 3, 2007




You just wait

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

never mind, they don't post here anymore

the other person with microfiche access will no doubt abide

digitalist
Nov 17, 2000

journey into Kirk's unknown


Nine of Eight posted:

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A8gres_blancs_d%27Am%C3%A9rique

I’d link the English wiki page but it’s unfortunately lacking on detail. definitely a product of its time period and pretty heavily critiqued since.
You might be thinking of the poster Gros Tarla who’s evidently Quebecois and occasionally tried to explain Quebec cultural issues when the CAQ was doing dumb poo poo and got pretty heavily trolled by the thread. Although we definitely don’t agree on some poo poo I didn’t think he ever made that argument though.

Here's more info on the book for those interested,
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A8gres_blancs_d%27Am%C3%A9rique

And a quote put through deepl,

quote:

Background to the writing of the book

After the police dismantled the Felquist network they had just set up, Pierre Vallières, accompanied by Charles Gagnon, took refuge in New York with groups of Black Panther activists. On September 25 and 26, 1966, they demonstrated in front of the United Nations headquarters to demand political prisoner status for their comrades incarcerated in Montreal, and to publicize the Quebec people's struggle for national liberation.

As a result of this demonstration, both were imprisoned in Manhattan's Tombs (en)1 prison.

After a 29-day hunger strike, it was in this prison, where the vast majority of the inmate population was black, that Pierre Vallières wrote the manuscript of Nègres blancs d'Amérique over a two-month period. Vallières worked day and night on the manuscript, with the help of a multitude of small graphite pencils (pens were forbidden)2, and took it out of prison in the form of notes addressed to his lawyer, who gave them to Gérald Godin, then publisher of Parti pris3.

After four months in detention, Vallières and Gagnon are released, only to be immediately arrested by Canadian authorities and incarcerated in Bordeaux prison. After a year's wait, Vallières finally goes on trial on charges of manslaughter for Thérèse Morin, a secretary at the Lagrenade factory who was killed when a bomb planted by the FLQ exploded. On March 14, 1968, during the third week of his trial, Nègres blancs d'Amérique4 was published. Vallières' attitude, words and writings earned him a life sentence on April 5, 19681. Following a new trial, however, he was released in May 1970.


quote:

Description

This essay is divided into three parts. The first provides a brief overview of French-Canadian history, and analyzes the social relations between the working class, the petty bourgeoisie and the ruling elites in Quebec society in the 1950s and 1960s, still under the economic sway of Anglo-American conglomerates and unable to define itself clearly in relation to the various forms of power then being exercised. The autobiographical second part is complemented by a third, consisting of political proposals from a Marxist perspective to improve the position of the Quebec proletariat.

For Vallières, French-speaking Quebec at the time was the homeland of a people still largely colonized, which only a (Marxist) revolution could liberate. This project for a socialist Quebec drew its references from the economists Paul Alexander Baran, Paul Sweezy and André Gunder Frank of the American magazine Monthly Review, who at the time were highly influential on the Quebec left1.

The expression "White Negroes" stems from a comparison Vallières makes with the situation of American Blacks, who in his eyes are still considered slaves in the United States, and the Quebec working class and sub-proletariat, "slaves" of a dominant Anglo-Saxon elite:

"Since the establishment of New France in the 17th century, have they not been the servants of the imperialists, the "white Negroes of America"? Were they not, like Black Americans, imported to serve as cheap labor in the New World? The only difference between them is the color of their skin and their continent of origin. After three centuries, their condition has remained the same. They are still a reservoir of cheap labor that capital owners are free to make work for them or reduce to unemployment, according to their financial interests, and that they are free to pay poorly, mistreat and trample underfoot."

- Pierre Vallières, Nègres blancs d'Amérique5

For a time, this book was considered the main manifesto of the Quebec national liberation movement, and was reprinted several times by different publishers (Parti pris, Maspero, Typo)6.

edit: Just realized we linked to the same article, anyway, here's a 3rd excerpt

quote:

Reception and reviews

Released in the midst of the Pierre Vallières trial, the book received considerable media exposure and immediately became a huge success. Over 100,000 copies were sold3. The book was very well received by Canadian academics and quickly became a reference book, being studied in colleges and universities. It was translated into English, Italian and German, ensuring wide distribution and making it the best-selling Quebec essay abroad for a long time7,3.

When it was published in La Presse, Nègres blancs d'Amérique was described as a shock book, a manifesto hitherto unparalleled in Quebec4. In the New York Times, Christopher Lehmann-Haupt argues that the book is likely to take its place alongside the writings of Malcolm X, Eldridge Cleaver, Frantz Fanon, Che Guevara and Régis Debray8.

On the fortieth anniversary of the book's release, Louis Hamelin described Nègres blancs d'Amérique as the best Quebec document on the ferment of the 1960s2. In 2018, Marc Laurendeau asserts that the book brilliantly captures the social climate of the time, denouncing the elites, the bourgeoisie, as well as English-Canadian and American colonialism3.

digitalist has issued a correction as of 01:09 on May 3, 2024

digitalist
Nov 17, 2000

journey into Kirk's unknown


And while we're hanging out in the late 60s/early 70s, forgive this indulgence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx1-N6AFucw

edit: I suppose for context, in case it's new, speak white is what English people would tell people speaking French in public or wherever if they felt like being dicks.

digitalist has issued a correction as of 01:41 on May 3, 2024

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

infernal machines posted:

iirc, they were referencing a book by pierre vallières

iirc vallières regrets the title now

crispyseaweed
Sep 21, 2008
Pasternak is a Toronto Councillor and huge zionist. Check out those hateful messages such as "Free Palestine" and "Ceasefire"

https://twitter.com/PasternakTO/status/1786088937942855946


Also this warms my heart:
https://twitter.com/SMohyeddin/status/1786200069915459714

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
U of T backed down on their 10 pm deadline to clear out.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen

crispyseaweed posted:

Pasternak is a Toronto Councillor and huge zionist. Check out those hateful messages such as "Free Palestine" and "Ceasefire"

https://twitter.com/PasternakTO/status/1786088937942855946


zionists are such stupid loving freaks

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

X-post from protest chat:

PhilippAchtel posted:

https://twitter.com/FredHahnCUPE/status/1786088050650431961

CUPE Ontario (Canadian public sector union) stepping up to support the UofToronto students

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/UniforTheUnion/status/1786040447858885100

Unifor as well

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

That was really surprising to see tbh because even compared to the Americans our big unionsnare pretty thoroughly cucked by their relationship with the bosses. Dunno much about Hahn but he has beennsaying good(ish? Not 100%) stuff since Oct. 7th at least

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Yeah Hahn is on the left end even within union leaders. There was a bit of a schism between CUPE Ontario and CUPE National leadership on this issue.

Hahn came out in support or Sarah Jama early and CUPE National dragged their feet and hemmed and hawed about "antisemitism."

Unifor has been okay, but their support is indirect, for Oxfam and MSF, etc. They've made some statements in favor of ceasefire.

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
CAPE national president is supposed to be going to the U Ottawa encampment this afternoon to show support. CAPE has traditionally been a poo poo union but the new president and executive are better

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://twitter.com/_llebrun/status/1786397222021591184?t=Xc0AqTM9bOsmk5S254GpHw&s=19

Food and Book and MDMA Expo.

ARACHTION
Mar 10, 2012


Imagine eating saucy ribs on m while Bernier is in the room.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS
The three essentials!

I never eat on uppers, and it never occurred to me to try reading a book but I'll try to remember for next time

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
The Great Canadian Barbeque is the featured event for Ottawa Book Expo 2020.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
the Canadian army updated their branding and it looks like a man milking a moose in Minecraft

https://twitter.com/divebumchef/status/1786414558975795314?s=46&t=dQl6Iu6Wmq7antcZ30Prgw

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



https://twitter.com/CanadianArmy/status/1786410394627825706

lol, so the Canada part actually cuts off the base of the logo? But still, what the gently caress is it?

Petanque
Apr 14, 2008

Ca va bien aller
this is some "if it weren't for my horse, i wouldn't have spent that year in college" poo poo. i cannot believe this is real

Squatch Ambassador
Nov 12, 2008

What? Never seen a shaved Squatch before?
looks like something out of Conway's Game of Life

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Dreylad posted:

iirc vallières regrets the title now

Vallières is dead, but he did say in interviews before his death that he gregretted the title. If you read the article posted earlier, you get a pretty good view of what he was attempting to say and imho he's not entirely wrong. OBVIOUSLY blacks got it way worse, but the point about the exploitation of the proletariat and the need for marxist revolution is still relevant.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
God I hate how mdoern-day nationalists are right-wing racist freaks. Where are the marxists who idolizes Malcom X and Che Guevara?

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

DaysBefore posted:

That was really surprising to see tbh because even compared to the Americans our big unionsnare pretty thoroughly cucked by their relationship with the bosses. Dunno much about Hahn but he has beennsaying good(ish? Not 100%) stuff since Oct. 7th at least

There's been a changing of the guard in a lot of union leadership in North America. I'm not going to say we're back to the radical days of the early 20th century but it's a been a notable shift leftward. Given the current political climate even tepid support is going to be controversial.

MonsieurChoc posted:

Vallières is dead, but he did say in interviews before his death that he gregretted the title. If you read the article posted earlier, you get a pretty good view of what he was attempting to say and imho he's not entirely wrong. OBVIOUSLY blacks got it way worse, but the point about the exploitation of the proletariat and the need for marxist revolution is still relevant.

wow he died in 1998 okay I was way off about him being alive. I've read part of his work and I agree that his reasoning is sound, the title was provocative even at the time.

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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
disband the caf

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Entropic posted:

the Canadian army updated their branding and it looks like a man milking a moose in Minecraft

https://twitter.com/divebumchef/status/1786414558975795314?s=46&t=dQl6Iu6Wmq7antcZ30Prgw

Looks like a pile of poo poo on the right 💩

cock hero flux
Apr 17, 2011



Precambrian Video Games posted:

lol, so the Canada part actually cuts off the base of the logo? But still, what the gently caress is it?

my first guess is that it is a map of canada reduced to the minimum number of pixels and recoloured to poo poo brown

appropriate, if i say so myself

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Gully Foyle
Feb 29, 2008

Precambrian Video Games posted:

https://twitter.com/CanadianArmy/status/1786410394627825706

lol, so the Canada part actually cuts off the base of the logo? But still, what the gently caress is it?

Yeah, like does anyone know what they were even trying to go for? It almost looks like Europe + Russia tilted at 45 (which obviously makes no sense, but that's what my mind is seeing).

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digitalist
Nov 17, 2000

journey into Kirk's unknown


It's a soldier trying to catch a moose because he can't afford to buy actual groceries and his rifle is broken

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