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Re-reading b-minus:b-minus1 posted:wow I don't like this post at all, but I really hate the bold parts. this only reinforces the notion that you scumslipped and got caught. On a re-read, the bolded parts in b-minus'es rebuttal don't really reinforce anything to do with Rex's perceived scumslip. This is probably a fake case. b-minus1 posted:i don't have time to write up a full response to AA right this second, but I will confirm that I visited bif n1 (which should be obvious in my first couple of posts at the start of d2) and also can confirm that sal is town. i did not block him, i did not kill anyone. i cant "do" anything to anyone. actually my ability has been rendered almost completely useless at this point in the game. And this one is pretty egregious. He goes from confirming that AA's post is accurate to calling him a liar after Tobbs points out that AA's case doesn't line up with B-'s story.
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50 pounds of bread posted:WAITING FOR PERSON WHO TARGET ME FESS UP I'm hoping there's a payoff to this?
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Hi all! Just got home from work and have pretty much nothing to do other than this game until it's football time.Prince of Space posted:So if GulagDolls is telling the truth about KhediveRex and Tobbs Gnawed being in a duel last night, and SaltheBard's telling the truth about 50 pounds of bread not going anywhere last night, then I know what everyone except for Monathin, Anonymous Amalgam, and Murmur Twin were up to last night. I'm going to have more to say about Prince in a bit but until then I wanted to just ask something while it popped into my brain. Bifauxnen posted:Well yeah, they managed to pull off the kill... but even if they had a strongman, what if Quid was watched? Or what if they got blocked some other way? Relying on night actions leaves a lot up to chance. Lunching Quid during the day is a sure-fire kill in comparison. Prince: Did Bif leave any indication of who she targetted n1 to you? I think Sal not seeing 50 go anywhere is far from a slam dunk. Scum had a godfather with an ability in a role madness game and we have both a tracker and a watcher - if you asked me to bet on whether or not scum has a ninja on their team, I would bet "yes". 50 pounds of bread posted:RATHER NOT ##vote 50 - at this point I want to deal with 50''s schtick once and for all. I feel that hearing the specific reason he didn't go anywhere (specifically to pressure him because I think he's scum) outweighs any merit there might be in taking him at face value and letting him continue to float through this game.
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Feb 4, 2018 22:11
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Monathin posted:I feel like this would go against Nat20 saying that we could solve this via flavor, but on the other hand I've started to get more and more suspicious of MMT's hider claim as the game goes on. It's awfully convenient in a game with two town-aligned detective roles (Cop, Watcher), and a scum Rolecop. There were three town-aligned detective roles if you believe Sal, which I do. And I think my role is far more believable than Juchero's, which was real. I admittedly disagree with trying to flavor-solve the game, because (a) Nat20 said we couldn't and I believe him, (b) I don't know anything about the flavor so basically have to take people at face value and (c) we're late enough in the game that there's plenty of good in-thread material to work with at this point. I didn't do anything last night and plan to hide tonight, people are free to use that information however they see fit.
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Feb 4, 2018 22:23
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50 pounds of bread posted:BERZERKER MAD... Day 1, 50 is driving the point home that (a) he is Berzerker and (b) he can protect "little girl". He doesn't make any cases. Meanwhile, Quid claims Ilya/cop. 50 pounds of bread posted:GRAAAAGGGHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO! Day 2 arrives, Quid was NKed. 50 addresses the lack of protection of the claimed cop with "oh I was lying about having that because I wanted to be NK'ed instead". He then mentions that "little girl" was confirmed to him and that he was pretty sure "little girl" got similar confirmation of his alighnment. There are a few issues I have with this that I'd love for 50 to address: (a) He was claiming that he would protect "little girl" before Quid claimed so I don't buy that it's a strategy he had for all of d1. (b) If indeed he was claiming doctor (or something similar) - why wasn't he targetted n1? Scum obviously had no worries targetting Quid yet felt comfortable RB'ing Prince instead of 50 - how is it that a claimed doctor went totally ignored by scum? (c) Why didn't Quid outright confirm 50 when he full-claimed? He was obviously trying to act in town's best interest, why not just say it? (d) Why even bring up that "oh Quid knew I was town", and only after Quid was dead? Is there an explanation for that that isn't self-preservation?
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Feb 4, 2018 22:59
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50 pounds of bread posted:##VOTE MURMUR TWIN I hope "try be opportunity" isn't me being called opportunistic by someone putting me at -2 with 1 day and 6 hours left to go in the game day.
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Feb 4, 2018 23:01
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50 pounds of bread posted:SAID "I THINK" SPECULATIVE I invite everyone to read my points and make their own conclusions, and encourage you to defend yourself with the truth.
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Feb 4, 2018 23:02
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Prince of Space posted:So that makes you Souichirou Kuzuki, GulagDolls? A seperate masonry from the scumdoc? quote:I think this game has been flavor-solved. I think Prince trying to push a flavor case when we had this much information is way scummier than anything I've done. How would I have hid and killed on the same night? For the record, I tried to hide on N3 (assuming that I'd be able to since i sent it N1) and was told by Nat20 that I couldn't hide N3 because "I can only hide every other night", hence my doing it tonight. I didn't do anything last night.
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Feb 4, 2018 23:23
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The amount of shade that has been thrown on me because of speculation on my role / flavor without any effort to go back and read my posts/cases this game is obnoxious.50 pounds of bread posted:WELL I DEFINITELY NOT ZOUKEN i second this. Prince of Space posted:It's also possible that there is no Zouken Matou and KhediveRex is throwing out names. I also second this. Prince of Space posted:Zouken Matou is the patriarch and grandfather of Sakura / Shinji Matou. It wouldn't be a perfect fit flavorwise but it's plausible. Would someone who has been following the flavor stuff explain to me why Prince can't be Zouken?
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Feb 5, 2018 01:03
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Prince of Space posted:Prince of Space - Roleblocked GulagDolls (his #2 scum read) Oh yeah this sure clears you as town. ##vote Prince - at least until he makes a case on me that isn't flavor speculation and arbitrarily trusting some people but not others.
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Also what, town has a cop, watcher, tracker, and Nat20 said "you know which team needs a roleblocker? town."?
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Feb 5, 2018 01:21
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Murmur Twin posted:Also what, town has a cop, watcher, tracker, and duelist, Nat20 said "you know which team needs a roleblocker? town."? mafia edit
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Feb 5, 2018 01:21
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Prince of Space posted:Since I'm currently reading you as scum this just comes off as jealousy that you had to manage as scum without a roleblock. Nope, it's definitely me accusing you of being a scum roleblocker.
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Feb 5, 2018 01:44
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Monathin posted:Rex, please use your dayvig on either prince or MMT. dealer's choice. Haha sweet, I choose Prince  KhediveRex posted:Alright, what's your take on Prince of Space? He started in a mason with an Amnesiac. That's odd and note worthy. I feel reasonably sure that the scum can be found within the pool of Prince, 50, Gulag (from strongest to weakest read). At the same time, it's getting frustrating try to convince town that scum can lie about night actions / that trying to use flavor to solve a game that the mod said can't be flavor-solved is bad, and I'm not at the point where I'm trying to skip watching the Super Bowl to try and save myself from Rex dayvigging me. GulagDolls posted:mmt has been pinging me simply because her game here seems different from her town game I've seen. this isn't something that can be effectively communicated without a 400 page psychological dossier so for now call it a 'soul read.' This is every case against me this game. I'm clinging to the hope that town will figure out that the push on me is scummy if I die, which is the main reason I'm not sweating this push too bad.
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Feb 5, 2018 03:15
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Would vote mmt. Their current disengagement from the game is curious, but gulag has behaved this way all game. The behavior is curious, masonry or not I stayed up late last night watching the Super Bowl, went to work, played a poker tournament after work, and just got home. Sometimes real life happens! KhediveRex posted:My honest read on Murmur is that she seems to be getting rightly pissed that no one will talk with her or acknowledge her points. It was admittedly annoying cycling through a bunch of "MMT is a Matou? i don't need to think about anything else" posts, but I'm hoping we can Mafia now. 50 pounds of bread posted:BERZERKER NOT HAVE NIGHT ACTION It's honestly driving me crazy that 50 is just posting useless nonsense and people are giving him a pass for it. ##vote 50 Can someone tell me what about him they think is town? It's not that hard to fake bulletproof. Also, I'm going to hide to tonight and encourage people to test my claim.
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Feb 5, 2018 22:46
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Prince of Space posted:Nice, Murmur Twin is still voting for me. You got me! My leaving my vote on you was obviously some scum master plan and not a result of me not having as much time to Mafia this week. ... More seriously, I recently ruined a Mafia game by going crazy when people wouldn't listen to me, and so I've been trying to make an effort not to force-feed my reads down other people's throats and to listen to their cases. This game has been a whole bunch of Night Action Mafia (which I think is bad) and Flavor Solve Mafia (which I think is worse) instead of just reading over 50 and figuring out that town wouldn't ever play the way he's playing. A whole bunch of people are voting for me without questioning the fact that no one has bothered casing me, and right now I'm basically just hoping that people see through it.
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Feb 5, 2018 22:57
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Monathin posted:I'm pretty sure my vote is still -on- MMT because even if we're miscuddling a townie at this point (not that I think we are, but I've entertained the thought I'm wrong) the information we get from it is invaluable to tracking down the remaining scum. What would my flipping town tell you exactly?
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Feb 5, 2018 22:59
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Bifauxnen posted:Well yeah, they managed to pull off the kill... but even if they had a strongman, what if Quid was watched? Or what if they got blocked some other way? Relying on night actions leaves a lot up to chance. Lunching Quid during the day is a sure-fire kill in comparison. Also just want to put it out there: I think this was Bif breadcrumbing that she watched Quid N1 (which makes sense) but didn't see anyone. That would imply the existence of a scum ninja. What's a good way to fake scum ninja? 50 pounds of bread posted:I NOT KNOW THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NO NIGHT MOVE TO BLOCK
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Feb 5, 2018 23:12
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And yes I know that arguably the same logic could make me the ninja but at least my claim is testable. 50 picked something that no one can prove is real. Like can people give me a "yes, you have a point" or a "no, I disagree with what you're saying" here? Because I feel like the things I'm saying are going completely ignored and it's kind of driving me nuts
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Feb 5, 2018 23:15
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Monathin posted:I still consider 50 town as - when prompted - he has given information that has made figuring out things slightly more useful When exactly?
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Feb 5, 2018 23:15
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Prince of Space posted:As Bifauxnen's mason partner, I'm pretty sure she would have mentioned something to either me or the thread if she had watched Quidthulhu the night that he died and yet saw no one. So you're saying she just didn't mention to you at all that she watched someone N1?
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Feb 5, 2018 23:29
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Monathin posted:Actually I know I just said I think Sal was being wrong town but the more I think about it the less I like it. Hah I just commented about this in the chat. I think the Gulag case makes sense (and I fully believe that Sal is being genuine) and it's a bit tough to not be biased by Gulag trying to push a mislynch on me. But the two main things that are holding me back are (a) the way that you describe how he acted in the chat regarding his bodyguard ability and (b) the fact that I feel pretty confident about 50.
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Feb 5, 2018 23:40
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Prince of Space posted:Correct. I never knew she had an ability until she flipped. I thought it had been "locked away" by her amnesia. I may be wrong on that score - it might just be her alignment that was locked away. Bif wouldn't just let herself die with results, not in a million years. I'm reasonably sure that her post about Quid being watched was a breadcrumb that she watched him. Like think about it - why wouldn't she have watched Quid given that he claimed cop? I don't see why people think it's so so crazy for me to surmise that there's a scum ninja given how many powers town has this game.
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Feb 5, 2018 23:43
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50 pounds of bread posted:OBVIOUS GOOD ONE I love that 50 somehow takes "I was lying, multiple times, trying to get people to share their role info in the thread" and turns that into him being obviously town.
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Feb 5, 2018 23:50
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50 pounds of bread posted:WHY BAD? Also think about it: scum saw right through this and didn't worry about it at all.
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Feb 5, 2018 23:53
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50 pounds of bread posted:HOW YOU KNOW? Because Quid ended up dead and Prince targetted Juch instead of you?
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Feb 5, 2018 23:57
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Prince of Space posted:The town's win has been "stolen" by KhediveRex, however, in the sense that he is going to be removing a powerful town ability from play (mine). How does someone say this after blocking a tracker N2 and a bodyguard (who targetted the NK victim) N3?
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Feb 6, 2018 00:12
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50 pounds of bread posted:SHE DO KNOW WHO YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT I'm just saying that Prince is being disingenuous by implying that the loss of his role would be some crippling blow to town.
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I successfully hid last night.Natural 20 posted:
Anomalous Amalgam posted:You think I would give up B-, the scum godfather for cred??? So unless someone has a better explanation, scum must have a juggernaut.
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GulagDolls posted:hm. my guard on mona failed last night. for some reason. Was it a flash of light?
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Feb 7, 2018 02:03
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GulagDolls posted:no flavor attached Hmm. I'm curious to hear what everyone did last night because my gut reaction to that is that it doesn't make any sense - everyone who's had an ability stopped has had the dueling (Tobbs) or light (Prince) flavor with it. At the same time, lying about something like that makes just as little sense to me. Everyone should claim today. Sal (who hasn't been in the chat since the day opened) should go last to potentially weed out a liar. All I did last night was hide.
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Also just for the sake of full disclosure I'm going to sleep soon so probably won't be around much until early morning tomorrow.
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GulagDolls posted:hm. my guard on mona failed last night. for some reason. My issue with it is that everyone who has claimed a roleblock has mentioned flavor, and we've gone 4 game days without anyone else claiming a no-flavor one. Even if scum has a roleblocker - why would they block you (who said you can only target servants) and kill AA? Like what would even be the point of that?
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Feb 8, 2018 01:05
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GulagDolls posted:i think im ready to vote because we are just all focusing on different dumb poo poo now. some of it dumber than others. I agree. Godspeed, scum ##vote Gulag
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I’m out playing poker for awhile but will have a bunch to say later. Sal, I’m really sorry. 
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SalTheBard posted:After this we also had a really personal discussion that I'm not going to bother copy and pasting. We also discussed a mutual love for the TV show Survivor. MMT in the future if you are in this situation, please do not engage in such a personal level of discussion because gently caress this was the thing I was most upset about. Given that we both had sworn oaths to each other I was prepared to go through hell to win with her. I'm doing my best to take this all in. I've been playing forums games for years now, and sadly you're not the first person whose feelings have been legitimately hurt by the way I approach lying in games like this. It's never an easy thing to read. I know that even though these are just silly internet games played with relative strangers over the internet, they can generate real and valid emotional responses. Finding out that someone you put a lot of trust in had been lying to you is an awful experience, and for what it's worth I have a lot of respect for your willingness to share how it felt. I want to share my perspective here - not as a means to rationalize bad behavior, but strictly out of a sense of seeing someone in pain and wanting to help them. When it came to lying about game stuff - that was just unfortunately part of the gig. When you're scum, you already know who the scum is, so almost anything game-related that you say is going to be dishonest. Little things, like pretending to be suspicious of you, or focusing on innocuous things that 50 or Prince or Gulag did and trying to make them suspicious, is pretty much what scum has to do. It's hard. In the real world, I don't lie to people. I value honest and open communication really highly, and so when I'm put in the position of having to lie about stuff, I clam up. Generally speaking, when I'm scum in Mafia my whole goal is to try and go undetected. I can usually make believable fake-cases, but if I'm stuck in a position where I have to fake-claim or I'm caught by a cop, I almost always just implode because I find it really stressful to outright lie about something. Also in the real world, I do my best to make friends with people. I promise you, none of the time in the chat where I was talking about Survivor or my real-life or asking about yours was meant in a strategic way! That was me compartmentalizing. Since lying is stressful and getting to know other people is fun to me, in my mind I was using non-game stuff as a way to be able to converse with you honestly and get to know you in the process. All of the Mafia advice I was giving at the beginning of the thread (such as  ing) was legitimate advice that I was giving you because I thought it would help.But at some point, the line between in-game trust and out-of-game trust got blurred. Like during the "swear on our significant others" conversation, I had like one minute of thinking I was just doing what I had to do to win, but then couldn't stop thinking "why the gently caress did I just say that?" to myself. It wasn't necessary and I regret it. And then once the degree that you trusted me became clear, I knew I had gone too far but didn't know what to do at that point. I don't want to minimize your pain here, because it's valid. But as time passes and you reflect on the game, I hope that some of these thoughts will help: - I promise you that everyone goes through a game where they mess it up for town, and we all empathize. If you keep playing Mafia you'll see other newbies do it and you'll empathize with them too. - That said, it's a mistake that people usually only make once or twice, because it instills that paranoia in them when they're town which makes it easier to figure out who is acting suspiciously. - You're well-liked amongst the Mafia scene, and I feel reasonably certain that most people here hope you stick around. I definitely do.  OK i gotta run but one more time - I'm really sorry for my role in how this game made you feel.
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