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Quid I can totally empathize with how you feel. In Shine V I had a similar "breakdown" and asked to be killed, voted for myself, etc. It really sucks that you feel marginalized, I think you are a cool person and I don't want you to feel like it's taking over. I really don't want you to leave the game because you are good person. However if you feel like stepping away from the game please do it for yourself. I enjoy mafia when it's 14 people trying to figure out who to kill so that their respective teams win. I think taking a step back and getting some sleep will do good for everyone.
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# ¿ Jan 29, 2018 07:24 |
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# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 21:44 |
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I'm going to review D1 when I get home at 10pm cst.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 00:06 |
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b-minus1 posted:Sorry about that, TM. Quid asked to be voted off. In Shine V I had a similar meltdownand would've really appreciated people respecting my wishes (KB had me role copped he didn't let it happen which really frustrated me). I was really just doing what he asked. That was it. I gave into peer pressure and changed my vote. If anything that is what I regret the most.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 00:23 |
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b-minus1 posted:well I've already given my thoughts on both of them post-flip, and don't think we are in an absolutely dire situation quite yet. B-Minus You weren't in my thread for Shine so I understand your reasoning here. On the last day of the game it came down to final scum as either YPM or Myself. I was town and YPM and others were hunting me down. I was stressing out due to work and generally having a bad day. My posting was really toxic and I could tell that I was ruining the game for others. I was pleading with people to vote me out because I was so miserable. I was doing all the same things that Quid was, self voting, lots of angry posts etc. TM was someone who actually wanted to play so I wanted to keep my vote on Quid. I was worried about a no-lynch as well as some peer pressure from GD so I swapped. Thats it.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 01:41 |
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Chic Trombone posted:hey sal, who do you think are the bad guys. i read your post history and i can't find where you solidly share a scumread I am at work and phone posting. My top 3 are Prince, B- and 50. I'm also suspect of Juchero as well. I will re read d1 posts when I get home at 10pm CST. I'm not avoiding the question. Also I posted something yesterday while I was out with friends about scum reads SalTheBard posted:Gun to my head (and after doing quick skim of the thread). I think Jucheros quick flip on 50 was weird. I'm probably looking at this too meta but I would vote Quid over Bif. I have trouble with D1 reads but this is my gun to the head reads.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 02:17 |
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GulagDolls posted:hmm...I think the prince may be bad. I have been feeling that same way.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 05:07 |
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Prince of Space posted:Well, before the Texas/Mexico meta chat goes away, I'm think I'm gonna throw down a ##vote Tobbs Gnawed because I never got to punch him in the Soldiers game. This feels to me like soft bussing. Obviously there was still a lot of Shine V meta discussion going on, but to vote for him just seems weird to me. Prince of Space posted:Fine then - And then look just like that he removes his vote. He was told to "watch out! because 14 votes don't leave room for error!" Prince of Space posted:I also don't have a clue what's going on in regard to the source material, so please don't expect any roleplay from me on this one! Prince of Space posted:Doesn't Rider normally want to protect Shinji? I thought Shinji and Rider had a Master/Servant relationship. Prince of Space posted:I do feel like people who know the source material have a leg up on what to expect in this game. Flavor discussion that seems out of place due to waffling between not knowing, and knowing the flavor. After this he engages me in conversation about DBZ mafia. There is a lot of posts from Prince that have nothing to do with the actual game. After this we get into a weird back and forth regarding Haikus. I won't bother posting it all but Princes vote flows freely from Gulag to Juchero, then proceeds to unvote Juchero. Prince of Space posted:Don't die, jokephase! We need our people to live, and to not be killed! After all... Tries to keep jokephase going to prevent actual game chat from starting. Prince of Space posted:I was just wondering what Chic Trombone's thoughts were on anime, video games, and erotic novels. I feel like pushing a lynch on lurkers (considering that we were still in D1 and shortly out of jokephase) I think calling out Lurkers is incredibly scummy. Prince of Space posted:So are you suggesting that it's the NORM for Servant/Master pairs to be in a masonry this game? This is very troubling... such Role Madness indeed! I know that Prince is new(?) but these types of comments seem to have someone feeding them to him. Maybe it's his masonry buddy, maybe it's scumbro, who the gently caress knows but these are not comments that I would expect to see from a new player. Prince of Space posted:I think that the four most "serious" posters in this game (Quidthulhu, Tobbs Gnawed, Murmur Twin, Bifauxnen) should be left alone for today. They've been posting enough semi-productive stuff that they can be caught by it later. Again these seem like comments fed from a masonry or scumdoc. I think it's safe to assume that Tobbs, MT or Bif is scum. I'm leaning most towards TG but that is neither here nor there. Prince of Space posted:
Totally just blows off Quids case of TG. Also Quid called Tobbs a "cutie" during Jokephase when everything was going nuts. I don't think a flip in attitude like that is off base. But if TG is scum this is scum protecting scum. Now this sequence is loving strange: Calls me out for being a lurker (when I wasn't lurking at all, but actively had posted throughout D1) and votes for me When I respond he changes his vote to Chic Trombone But then changes his vote again after Chic proposes that TM is scum But THEN with 31 minutes left before lynch votes for TG?! What the gently caress. It's almost like he was trying to force a no lynch, when called out on it by Gulag Prince says: Prince of Space posted:I have no clue ! I don't want a no-lynch either! Well then why the gently caress would you vote a 3rd part when we have 31 minutes left to lynch and the only two people with any sort of vote on them are TM and Quid at that point? Finally settles on voting TM This is all just Day 1. Prince I'm sure people are happy to have new blood. I have never played scum so I always feel at a disadvantage when I ask myself "Does this seem like something I would do?" I feel like you are newbie scum trying to pretend to be newbie town and it's just not working for me. ##Vote Prince of Space
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 05:29 |
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I'm glad that others are kind of feeling the same way I am and that I'm not crazy.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 05:30 |
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GulagDolls posted:hmmm well sal's post didn't make much sense to me and he might be crazy. What can I clarify for you? (This is a serious post)
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 05:31 |
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GulagDolls posted:this is true So feeding probably wasn't the best descriptor but "helping" formulate posts. I've always thought one of the benefits to having access to scumdoc is to say "Hey this is what I think, what is an ok way to phrase this?" Prince of Space posted:You're getting a little overheated over a game of mafia here. I took my vote off of Tired Moritz for a minute back there, because I believed in him and I believed Quid and I didn't want either of them to get lunched. I don't see why that's so hard to understand. I would much rather have "the duelist" be removed from town play than "the cop" or "the strongman vigilante." I actually haven't played Scum yet outside of 1 weird game where I wasn't privy to the scum doc (It was Death Note and I was Kira). Pretty much everyone thats played with me in any game can confirm I've never played scum. Also I swear a lot so saying gently caress isn't really me getting over heated at all, but thanks for that assessment! Bifauxnen posted:Sal, I like you showing your work here as you take a critical eye to Prince, but this part seems odd to me: Tobbs is leaning scum for me, You are leaning town and MMT is neutral for me. I tunneled on her before so I'm going to keep my eyes open this game and look at all angles.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 05:52 |
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Bifauxnen posted:Ok, that's nice to know your individual reads, but doesn't quite answer my question: what do you mean about assuming one of me, MT, and Tobbs must be scum? Why are we grouped like that, that you think there has to be a scum in this group of 3? OOOO. I'm sorry, you 3 just happened to be 3 people listed in one of Princes posts, I didn't mean to imply there was any sort of casual relationship between the 3 of you.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 06:07 |
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SalTheBard posted:OOOO. I'm sorry, you 3 just happened to be 3 people listed in one of Princes posts, I didn't mean to imply there was any sort of casual relationship between the 3 of you. I found the post from Prince. He was pointing out that we shouldn't lynch any of the top 4 posters who are Quid (RIP), Bif, MMT and Tobbs. It makes sense to me that at least one of the high volume posters is scum
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 06:12 |
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50 pounds of bread posted:SMART GOOD ONES LOOK AT ONES WHO TRY GET LITTLE GIRL AND ARTHUR Who is Arthur? TM flipped as Saber, Quid flipped as Illya.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 07:05 |
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Monathin posted:Saber's true name is Arthur/Artoria Pendragon (aka King Arthur) Thank you Sir. This makes 50's posts way more coherent. 50 pounds of bread posted:BERZERKER THINK ARTHUR HAD BAD ONES ALREADY AND LITTLE GIRL HAD BAD ONES TOO gently caress this is an excellent point. As soon as Quid role claimed there was no way he was getting through N1 alive, so it was better to change the vote to TM to get another town lynched and then Nightvig our Cop.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 07:16 |
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Would anyone with a tracking role have been able to see who killed Quid last night if they had been tracking him?
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 07:17 |
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Bifauxnen posted:Not really. How is that in any way better? O ya good point. Sorry I got excited there for a second! I guess it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 07:21 |
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Prince of Space posted:I really think that SaltheBard and Juchero are trying to build unwarranted suspicion on me with their scumbuddies. Nobody is really targeting you outside of me so if that was the case I didn't do a very good job. But honestly posts like this are what make me super suspicious of you. This doesn't "feel" like the post of a person who has only played 2 games. I will freely admit that I'm not that hot at this game, but I'm putting myself back into my "2nd game of mafia" shoes and I wasn't thinking on levels like this. It's possible that Prince has some education in game theory which would put him ahead of me in that department but it just seems weird I can't explain it. Bifauxnen posted:But hey, if Sal wants to insist that it was so smart for scum to move to TM instead, I guess I can scratch off those townie points I just gave him for helping so much to make that TM lunch happen. I'm not insisting anything. I just got momentarily excited! I think you are right in that it didn't matter which way it happened.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 07:26 |
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Bifauxnen posted:Well... just like I said to MT at the start of this day, I guess I can see scum Chic as still a possibility. But I don't think it's that likely. Trying to get someone else other than the claimed cop lunched was a good idea, and we did pull it off. There were multiple active people all posting and reacting to Quid's copclaim when it went down, enough to get the vote quickly tied up. If we hadn't been able to pull off the TM lunch then, we would've had the same difficulty in lunching Quid instead, actually. 2 things (and I'm not trying to start an argument here) 1. Why do you say lunching vs. lynching? 2. Why did you feel the need to poo poo talk Quid when he's dead and not part of this game anymore? (maybe I'm too sensitive with this one)
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 07:31 |
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Bifauxnen posted:1. because "lynching" is a very uncomfortable word with seriously bad RL connotations, and many players make the effort to avoid it. Votefinder now talks about "executions" instead for this reason. "Lunching" is a very easy substitution I usually make. Some people prefer to use "cuddle" instead, but I haven't got the hang of using that one yet. "Dunking" is another fun one. 1. Thank you. I also feel uncomfortable using lynching, I just thought it was some weird auto correct :P 2. I didn't realize D1 was so exhausting for you from the perspective. I wasn't trying to pick a scab. Thank you Bif.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 07:41 |
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Prince of Space posted:This is my second game, and it is also the second game wherein people have accused me of saying game-related things that "newbies shouldn't know well enough to say." It's a weird argument to be making - I pick up on game vocab quickly I guess? I certainly don't know what roles are common enough to expect in a game like this, however. These role madness games can can be hard to follow much like Shine V. I saw that you were town your first game but I didn't look at your posting there at all because meta from one game doesn't always carry over to another game. I'm not saying you should dumb yourself down, maybe you are just one of those people thats really loving gifted at games, I don't know you, I have never interacted with you. If you really want to prove you aren't scum start casing people outside of your list. Go through my post history, I think it's at like 1 and 1/2 pages and put together a post like I did for you. Even if your read is wrong thats fine, this is mafia and it's a game of incomplete information (unless you are scum and then you have way more information). I'm town just like I have been every other game*. It's hard when you haven't been scum to pick up on scum reads. I'm a horrible person to have "mentor" you because I've yet to really see the full game. What I would like from you though is just some quick off the cuff reads. Assuming I'm town (which I am) who is #2 on your list to be killed? *technically in the Death Note game I was Kira, but I didn't have access to scum doc and in Attitude Era mafia I was 3rd party
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 07:58 |
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After Shine V was over I took a lot of the feedback I got to heart. The main feedback I got was "post more" and "don't be afraid to make cases." I'm implementing that this game, admittedly not as well as I had hoped. I also planned to take a break after the last game but I'm a loving addict who can't say no!
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 08:01 |
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50 pounds of bread posted:BERZERKER CLEARLY GOOD JUST BAD AT FINDING BAD ONES I feel ya Zerk!
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 16:44 |
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:KhediveRex puts me and MMT on his list of suspicious characters. KhediveRex doesn't see how or why a duel developed between townies. O_O Goddamn ##unvote Going to look at Rex later today.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 18:03 |
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Sorry I haven't been very active today. Going back and doing some reading now. I'll post more tomorrow.
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2018 07:46 |
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Bifauxnen posted:*yawn* early morning all, what the gently caress how are there NO new posts since I got home in the evening and since I went to sleep I'm wondering if we might be barking up the wrong tree with Juchero and scum is just being quiet in order to not change suspicion anywhere. (To clarify: If Juchero is town scum have no reason to post right now because as things are going we are going to cuddle another townie. Is it possible that Juchero is town or does that just seem so unlikely at this point?
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2018 19:38 |
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Juchero posted:notice that both rex and prince loving vanished once the case on me became a foregone conclusion Ya the timing is definitely suspect. ##vote Prince for now. Lets see if that gets him to come back to the thread and engage!
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2018 19:55 |
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Bifauxnen posted:well... to be fair that was freaking everybody, really. I thought yesterday was going to be super chill, but then my podcast partner had to have emergency gallbladder surgery which threw my day into total disarray and then my wife came home early because she was sick so I had to take her to the hospital and then I fell asleep super early which is really unlike me!
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2018 19:58 |
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Chic Trombone posted:this gameday is really dragging on Also I really don't like this post
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2018 19:59 |
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Bifauxnen posted:oh, you have a podcast? What's it about? I'm doing an episode by episode recap of the British Comedy series Peep Show Chic Trombone posted:gallbladder stuff is no good, my thoughts go out to them Thank you! She fortunately lives in a country with socialized medicine so she's doing fine, just waiting to have the procedure done.
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2018 21:11 |
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Prince of Space posted:Your Gae Bolg, as described, is not a very useful ability for town to have on its own. In the hands of scum, however, it's unbelievably strong. It would almost be a service to town just to remove your skill from play, just to be absolutely certain it wasn't being used by the enemy. Prince I am asking you this question seriously: Do you naturally pick up on games fast or do you have a knowledge of game theory or what? If you showed me this post with no context and asked me how many games of mafia this person played I would tell you this looked like a post from a seasoned player. I'm trying hard not to let it taint my view of you but I just feel like something is off. A view on what powers are town and scum would seem to me to be the kind of thing that someone who has played both sides would know, taking you at face value you have been town for both games.
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2018 23:12 |
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Bifauxnen posted:so I guess thats a no then 50 I appreciate your commitment but some clarification on your thoughts in "normal speak" might be worthwhile for now.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2018 01:00 |
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Juchero posted:nope, entirely flavor Natural 20 posted:6. Flavour is flavour, you’re welcome to pursue arguments on it if you want, however, I intentionally have not made clear, when exactly in Fate Stay Night this takes place or what of the three main routes it takes place under, so it’s not a silver bullet.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2018 01:39 |
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poo poo sorry I didn't get to vote :-( Chic I'm sorry to hear about the sadbrains. Believe in the me that believes in you!
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2018 03:49 |
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Monathin posted:As for the remaining people with unclaimed flavor - Rex has claimed no masonry, I don't remember if Sal has or not, either. In fact, Sal's silence is starting to considerably worry me. I'm at work.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 03:10 |
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I have a lot of thoughts running through my head right now due to the resolution (or lack thereof) of my night ability. I'm probably not going to post anymore tonight, but I will be engaged and back in the fold tomorrow.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 03:56 |
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I will explain more tomorrow.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 03:57 |
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:That out the gate flavor miller claim then reinforcing what the mod has already established seems like an easy crutch for scum to rely on. AA i have posted that no less than 3 times but people seem hell bent on flavor solving. I was hoping my masonry partner would log in at some point tonight and talk to me because we've been making decisions together this whole game. I'm Rider, I'm pretty sure my Masonry partner is scum. I don't want to reveal who that person is RIGHT NOW in case I'm wrong. But my masonry partner knew the action I was going to take last night and I was blocked, so this means one of three things happened: 1) My Masonry partner is scum and wanted to protect their scumbro Prince so I got role blocked 2) Prince has an ability that prevented mine from working and it was just coincidence 3) Scum managed to magically pick me out as a person to role block I told my partner at the start that I hoped I was getting Bif'd and I think I am. All that even being said I don't feel like voting for my partner right now because I think seeing Princes flip will let me know once and for all. That being said I feel like we are getting dangerously close to LYLO.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 05:16 |
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Prince of Space posted:So you think your mason buddy is scum but you suspect me still anyways. And what exactly were you targeting me with last night? It's possible. It doesn't matter for now, there is no point in me full claiming at this point in time. I think there is a high chance that you are scum and that my masonry partner didn't want me to be able to confirm it. It's possible that I'm overly worried about getting "N20'd" like Bif did in Shine.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 05:43 |
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b-minus1 posted:Sal has your mason partner claimed to you Yes / No Knowing who Rider is a servant to I asked if they were that character and they said yes. They did not bring that info forth first. My partner also knew what my ability is.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 05:47 |
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# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 21:44 |
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Nah, gently caress it... I'm not clever or smart enough to let things pan out without painting myself as scum and I have to start work in 2 minutes SOOOOO.... Not me sorry :-( I do agree with you on Tobbs and potentially MMT but we'll see how things go when I look at their posts again.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 15:24 |