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Dudley
Feb 24, 2003

Tasty



harperdc posted:

I'm vacillating between telling you to "keep going at full speed" and to relax and enjoy it at a leisurely pace, but if you're still in season 1, you've got some gems coming. Level 5 Special, Bill Riley, Tommy Kendall to name a few.

Or as I've gone for, skip around like an idiot, because I couldn't resist listening to Sarah Fisher.

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Humbug
Dec 3, 2006
Bogus

Good news rally fans

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/n...return-by-2020/

Although I suspect it will be a normal stage rally set in Kenya rather than the overland rally of old. Another snow rally in Canada sounds cool too.

Rally Sweden starts tomorrow btw.

Jehde
Apr 20, 2010



Humbug posted:

Good news rally fans

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/n...return-by-2020/

Although I suspect it will be a normal stage rally set in Kenya rather than the overland rally of old. Another snow rally in Canada sounds cool too.

Rally Sweden starts tomorrow btw.

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Grimey Drawer

Incoming crosspost:
https://twitter.com/Team_Penske/sta...514731749924864

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.

Where are the Supercars lads.

WindyMan
Mar 21, 2002

Respect the power of the wind

njsykora posted:

Where are the Supercars lads.

https://twitter.com/Team_Penske/sta...537893380415488

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

since we're talking
about primaries


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-A...ar/323080143835

The "Daddy's Money Can't Buy Skill, But It Can Buy A Car That I Think Has Better BoP" special.

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

One of these is good.



MazeOfTzeentch posted:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-A...ar/323080143835

The "Daddy's Money Can't Buy Skill, But It Can Buy A Car That I Think Has Better BoP" special.

This seems like an absolute steal for $100k?

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



Wirth1000 posted:

This seems like an absolute steal for $100k?

Reserve not met. You can buy a new one from the factory for like $400k I guess.

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

One of these is good.



Oh, whew, that makes way more sense. Didn't notice the reserve.

track day bro!
Feb 17, 2005

Failpeepee Assa



Grimey Drawer

Here's a stupid question that I couldn't get a concrete answer after searching around, but what is the difference between a GTE car and a GT3 car.

Aside from GT3's aren't meant to be factory teams, their specs seem pretty simmilar and I remember on MWM a while back they were saying it wouldn't take much to convert the GT3 McLaren into a GTE car. Also GT3's have more driver aides for gentlemen drivers?

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

since we're talking
about primaries


Generally, similar amounts of power, GTE cars have more room in the regs for aero (huge diffusers), engine position, no ABS on GTE. I think GTE cars can be wider too.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



GTE are essentially full purpose built racecars from the ground up. They are prototypes that look like streetcars. Any parts they share with their road equivalent are likely for marketing. Less performance balancing, more manufacturer involvement, very high cost (~2-3x higher than LMP2 in WEC or Proto in IMSA). Mostly the realm of works teams and a few very rich privateers.

GT3 is more performance balancing, less manufacturer involvement, more reasonable costs. So while there are cars that are purebred racecars in the class, they will be performance balanced back to everyone else anyway so there is little incentive to make pieces of the car out of unobtainum or beat the chassis into the ground in testing. Mostly the realm of privateers, with varying degrees of manufacturer support.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003


GTE works like this. The ACO (and more recently the FIA) wrote the technical regulations: https://www.fia.com/fia-wec-2018-te...omologated-2016

If you are a manufacturer, you read those technical regs and adapt one of your road car products to meet the spec. Then you get your car homologated to make sure it meets those specs, and you race it.* Cars that are built to the current yearís specs have to be run by factory teams (in WEC). Year-old spec cars can be run by pro-am teams.

GT3 works differently. AFAIK thereís no technical regulation as such, and youíre allowed things like traction control and ABS because the idea is to sell cars to private teams. All GT3 cars performance balanced against each other - there will be a reference lap time that SRO or the FIA wants cars to stick to, and if yours is too fast you get pegged back and if itís too slow you can make it go faster until itís within the range. Thereís no real incentive to come up with anything particularly clever engineering-wise compared to GTE.

Some GTE and GT3 cars are very similar - the Ferrari 488 race car for example is pretty easily changed from one spec to the other. Thereís some info here: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/0...8-gt3-race-car/


*Actually thereís still balance of performance in GTE, which complicates things.

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

since we're talking
about primaries


BMW also had the M6 GTLM which was built to GTE spec but never homologated by the ACO, only IMSA, based on the M6 GT3. They've since replaced that with a fully ACO homologated car, the M8 GTE (which promptly got BoPfucked by IMSA)

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MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

since we're talking
about primaries


Double post for more info: GTE is also a more limited class, as far as allowed specifications. It is more of a build-to-a-spec setup, with engine displacement limits, must be 2 doors with 2 or 2+2 seats in the production model. GT3 is more open, still production based, but more build-to-a-performance standard and then balanced, instead of build-to-a-spec (minus waivers).

The Viper GT3 is allowed to have it's 8L V10 by default, and it's balanced into the performance window. The Viper GT2/GTE had to have a waiver (all other makers agree to let it race outside of regulations) to have an engine larger than 5.5L N/A.

The Ford GT LM GTE famously was allowed to race on a waiver in 2016, because no street examples had been constructed at the time. The BMW M8 is also on a similar waiver, as there's no 8-series out there in the wild yet.

BMW also asked for a waiver to lower the roofline on the M8 GTE to reduce drag and it was denied by at least one competing maker, causing a lengthy late-stage redesign, setting the program back quite a bit.

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