|
Basticle posted:I would very much appreciate if the OP could give a bit of an overview and explanation of different sports car series and different classes since even as a casual fan I find it all awfully confusing sometimes. Here's the different classes: LMP bad DP good GTD bad GTLM Good
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2019 04:09
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 27, 2024 05:29 |
|
|
quote:Interest in IMSA’s DPi platform is building, with as many as three new manufacturers in line to join the top class of the WeatherTech SportsCar Championship by as early as 2020. Undisclosed medium volume Japanese manufacturer... Subaru? Mitsubishi?? Suzuki???
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2019 18:37
|
|
|
net work error posted:https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/dpi-manufacturer-interest-building-for-2020/ Unless Dagys is calling Lexus medium volume then Subaru would make most sense. Also wonder which ones P2 cars they're looking at. Ford would be the Riley chassis that Mazda is using due to their alliance with Multimatic. Hyundai and the other Japanese manufacturer I could see Oreca or Ligier, more so Oreca since they don't have much cars going for those in DPi where Dallara seems all in on Cadillac.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2019 19:13
|
|
|
Given Subaru's experience in Super GT when it works it'll be very good but will be broken otherwise.
|
|
#
?
Jan 8, 2019 19:50
|
|
|
^^^^ the Subaru team is also like an engineering skunk works group, they’re using a further development of the old WRC engine. Doing DPi, the chassis would be known, aero changes are limited, and the tires are spec. They’d have to work on the engine/packaging and shocks, and a good racing team can help the latter. net work error posted:https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/dpi-manufacturer-interest-building-for-2020/ Subaru. Mitsubishi makes no sense (Nissan wants them to focus on places they’re weak for global markets), Mazda and Honda (through Acura) are already involved, Toyota/Lexus isn’t mid-sized and already said no, Nissan won’t get more involved, and any other brand makes zero sense. Suzuki doesn’t even sell cars in the US. So, Subaru. Would be interesting if they brought the flat four turbo to play. Would certainly sound good. harperdc fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Jan 9, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 02:06
|
|
|
BMB5150 posted:Unless Dagys is calling Lexus medium volume then Subaru would make most sense. Also wonder which ones P2 cars they're looking at. Ford would be the Riley chassis that Mazda is using due to their alliance with Multimatic. Hyundai and the other Japanese manufacturer I could see Oreca or Ligier, more so Oreca since they don't have much cars going for those in DPi where Dallara seems all in on Cadillac. FWIW Riley has absolutely no involvement whatsoever with the Mazda DPi program now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 02:20
|
|
|
^^ It's still technically called a Riley-Multimatic though I can't bring myself to believe Subaru would spend the money on motorsports in the US again. It sure as hell feels like they've nearly given up on marketing their brand here to anybody who appreciates performance or even has a measurable pulse
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 02:21
|
|
|
The Suzuki thing was a joke. At this point I think they pretty much just sell kei cars.an oddly awful oud posted:I can't bring myself to believe Subaru would spend the money on motorsports in the US again. It sure as hell feels like they've nearly given up on marketing their brand here to anybody who appreciates performance or even has a measurable pulse They're still pretty big on motorsports in Japan with Super GT and the All Japan Rally. In the US they're in the ARA and WRX but that should barely count since they're pretty much the only manufacturer in ARA. Anyways their marketing wouldn't tell you anything about any of those things. Their Japanese marketing has a pretty similar style to the American ones where it's presented as an outdoor and family brand. Anyways, being a Subaru owner I'm aware of the bad things about their engines so I always get spooked whenever I see them in a motorsport context.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 02:41
|
|
|
*charges into the room* DID SOMEBODY SAY SUBARU?
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 02:52
|
|
|
Dirt Road Junglist posted:*charges into the room* DID SOMEBODY SAY SUBARU? Did it get foggy in here all of a sudden?
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 02:58
|
|
|
net work error posted:The Suzuki thing was a joke. At this point I think they pretty much just sell kei cars. Nah, there’s a new Swift and other small cars still too, and they sell in Europe. And I would imagine the reason Subaru would be more interested in this is because it’s relatively cheap and could look a bit like the BRZ.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 03:27
|
|
|
harperdc posted:Nah, there’s a new Swift and other small cars still too, and they sell in Europe. The BRZ's sales are a rounding error, I just don't see how this fits into marketing to their current target demographic of "people who decide to spend $28k on a car based on a commercial they saw on ABC with dogs acting like humans" and "people who reflexively tap the brakes while driving on a 2-lane road when another car comes the other way" unless they're about to make a big change Even more the shame that they'd decide to do this right as they're phasing out the old 3.6, as they'd have an excuse to do an awesome flat six DPi
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 04:57
|
|
|
I mean Subaru has more performance cars on sale than Acura. And the same number as Nissan.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 05:19
|
|
|
an oddly awful oud posted:The BRZ's sales are a rounding error, I just don't see how this fits into marketing to their current target demographic of "people who decide to spend $28k on a car based on a commercial they saw on ABC with dogs acting like humans" and "people who reflexively tap the brakes while driving on a 2-lane road when another car comes the other way" unless they're about to make a big change I used the BRZ instead of another model because I can’t see them using Impreza or Outback styling cues on the DPi kit, I’m sure it would be more Subaru than BRZ or WRX. And if it’s done in collaboration with Japan, they already have a proven engine they’ve used in Super GT for a long time right there that they can use. Subaru doesn’t have a GT3 engine they can bolt in (Nissan), a race engine they want to use (Mazda, Honda) or a gently caress-ton or small block rat motors (Caddy) but the GT300 Super GT engine should be durable enough and hopefully not too wide to stick in the back of a P2 chassis.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 08:29
|
|
|
Cygni posted:I mean Subaru has more performance cars on sale than Acura. And the same number as Nissan. True but Acura seems to actually be pivoting back to a sporty, performance image with their new marketing. They're actually trying to sell the new RDX by invoking the original NSX and Integra Type-R in commercials. And they're also advertising the new NSX pretty heavily. It's really quite silly but Acura's been languishing for years now and this seems to be their strategy for the time being to get people thinking and talking about them again, and a DPi program with one of the biggest names in American motorsports is right in line with that. Subaru on the other hand is vacuuming up US market share with their current marketing and vehicle offerings, so it seems a little weird to suddenly want to spend millions on a motorsports program for the sake of exposure for a nearly-afterthought sports coupe that's reaching the end of its life cycle very soon, or thinking that it will somehow bring the motorsport halo to a bunch of wallowy, extremely underpowered crossovers that are already selling fantastically anyway And I don't think you can use Nissan as a counterexample, as their involvement doesn't make much sense either but they're also putting almost no effort or money into it
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 15:08
|
|
|
Yeah Nissan is basically entirely uninvolved other than a GT3 engine deal with Nismo
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 15:47
|
|
|
Carps Ghosn being in prison means I doubt any new racing programs are on the cards.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 16:52
|
|
|
an oddly awful oud posted:True but Acura seems to actually be pivoting back to a sporty, performance image with their new marketing. They're actually trying to sell the new RDX by invoking the original NSX and Integra Type-R in commercials. And they're also advertising the new NSX pretty heavily. It's really quite silly but Acura's been languishing for years now and this seems to be their strategy for the time being to get people thinking and talking about them again, and a DPi program with one of the biggest names in American motorsports is right in line with that. Subaru on the other hand is vacuuming up US market share with their current marketing and vehicle offerings, so it seems a little weird to suddenly want to spend millions on a motorsports program for the sake of exposure for a nearly-afterthought sports coupe that's reaching the end of its life cycle very soon, or thinking that it will somehow bring the motorsport halo to a bunch of wallowy, extremely underpowered crossovers that are already selling fantastically anyway Sure I get that, i was more just pointing out that racing programs aren't really a rational expenditure in the first place. Like Ford advertising a car that hasn't actually been for sale for years. For the record, I highly doubt Subaru would make a DPi team, just based on their general lack of motorsports interest stateside (but it would definitely be cool if it happened) If anyone fits the bill to me lately, its Hyundai through their Genesis brand.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 21:25
|
|
|
They’ve flat-out denied it when I’ve asked in the past but I agree, Genesis going racing makes sense.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 21:29
|
|
|
drgitlin posted:Carps Ghosn being in prison means I doubt any new racing programs are on the cards. They got rid of a bunch of their Blancpain-based factory drivers and support for GT3 teams, apparently they're even running the lightest budget in Super GT (which is engineering not marketing cash). All non-Japan eggs in Formula E, for better or worse. So they're unlikely to ramp anything up in the next year or so.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2019 23:21
|
|
|
How about a new GTE entrant for Lemans/WEC in 2021... that we probably won't ever see if we are honest. https://racer.com/2019/01/09/brabham-announces-2021-gte-effort/
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 00:05
|
|
|
Cygni posted:How about a new GTE entrant for Lemans/WEC in 2021... that we probably won't ever see if we are honest. Don't often see a team step down from an imaginary P2 program to an imaginary GTE program. Hopfully this one actually turns a wheel.
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 01:23
|
|
|
Xisticide posted:Don't often see a team step down from an imaginary P2 program to an imaginary GTE program. Well, the super car has, so. Surprised honestly they’ve gone GTE and not the Hypercar prototype rules, didn’t realize their insane track toy was competition for the Porsche 911 too but 
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 01:29
|
|
|
Well neither is the M8 but here we are
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 05:42
|
|
|
I have a decent OP/part of an OP answering the question about sports car racing written up. Are we ready to move, thread?
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 08:10
|
|
|
So its possible for Ferrari to enter the WEC? I read that they were present in the discussion of the new regulations. Or they are bluffing a la red bull?
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 13:21
|
|
|
DoctorGonzo posted:So its possible for Ferrari to enter the WEC? I read that they were present in the discussion of the new regulations. Or they are bluffing a la red bull? The short answer: Nobody knows yet, and those who have aren't saying yet. The longer answer: The WEC is changing the top prototype rules in two years, from the 2020-2021 season forward. A lot of companies were involved in trying to decide the new rules that were announced in October, but so far only one team (Glickenhaus) has announced it's making a car to the rules. It's taken as gospel that Toyota is going to continue and make a car too; Aston Martin (with or without Red Bull) has also been strongly suggested. It was reported before Christmas that Ferrari was also interested. Daily Sports Car posted:Ferrari is one of a number of high profile manufacturers ready to commit to the next ‘Hypercar’ regulations set to replace the current LMP1 from the 2020/2021 FIA WEC season. Why? Well, as above, it may fit Ferrari's commercial desires. And if Formula 1 introduces stricter budget/team restrictions, well, there's at least one columnist who's suggested WEC programs as a home to keep the built up infrastructure busy if they're not allowed to work on Formula 1 projects...
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 13:51
|
|
|
The budget cap in formula 1 is a really difficult. The teams dont want it so i dont know how its going to work.
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 14:00
|
|
|
DoctorGonzo posted:The budget cap in formula 1 is a really difficult. The teams dont want it so i dont know how its going to work. They don't want it but need it unless we want another recession manufacturer exodus
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 18:47
|
|
|
Wondered about this when they turned up to the Roar in all white. https://twitter.com/FordPerformance/status/1083393101148893184
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 19:46
|
|
|
Castrol liveries 
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 20:55
|
|
|
mactheknife posted:Castrol liveries oh my god
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 21:43
|
|
|
for entirely biased reasons i loving love this one too https://twitter.com/Acura/status/1083408132452372481 https://racer.com/2019/01/10/acura-taps-comptech-history-for-2019-arx-05-dpi-liveries/ Cygni fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 10, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 21:55
|
|
|
Cygni posted:for entirely biased reasons i loving love this one too oh gently caress yes a Comptech style retro scheme is Real Good. Also a fan of the Motorcraft GT, too. [edit] one of the Mazdas ran at the Roar in black, too, surely that is just begging for a throwback scheme of some kind too.
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 23:18
|
|
|
I've heard they're both going to be in the darker soul red, but a throwback to the 1991 RX-7 GTO would be rad
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2019 23:43
|
|
|
Stick with the Soul Red so that when they dominate IMSA this year, it'll become an iconic livery itself for future throwbacks to wear I don't actually believe this, but man do I want to believe it
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2019 04:21
|
|
|
mactheknife posted:Castrol liveries
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2019 18:44
|
|
|
https://www.24hseries.com/2019/24h-dubai-2019/live 24h Dubai Race is live, 16 hours left as of this post.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2019 19:45
|
|
|
Paul Tracy will be racing in the 12H Bathurst next month, in a MARC cars Mustang
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2019 20:33
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 27, 2024 05:29 |
|
|
harperdc posted:I have a decent OP/part of an OP answering the question about sports car racing written up. Are we ready to move, thread? I'd say go for it. Do dig the Acura and Ford GT's
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2019 01:12
|
|