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algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011



Lipstick Apathy

Milo and POTUS posted:

No new episode tonight?!

Olympics or something?

At least there's still Waco

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precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


We're back tonight. Can't wait.

Also yeah Waco loving owns hard.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Waco is incredibly mediocre

clown shoes
Jul 17, 2004

Nothing but clowns down here.

Waco is a B show with A performances.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


clown shoes posted:

Waco is a B show with A performances.

It definitely has A actors (like half the cast of Boardwalk Empire) but I wouldn’t call them A performances. Not that they’re given great scripts to work with.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Very refreshing to watch someone get the upper hand on this rear end in a top hat

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Henchman of Santa posted:

Very refreshing to watch someone get the upper hand on this rear end in a top hat

What happens? Spoiler bars for sure. I can't watch for a few days

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Milo and POTUS posted:

What happens? Spoiler bars for sure. I can't watch for a few days

The beginning of this episode follows him as he’s living with a wealthy older man, acting as his interior designer. He presents the older man with a list of demands including a pay raise, a new car and first class plane tickets across the world. The older man reveals that he knows everything about Andrew’s facade, having investigated him heavily soon after meeting him. Andrew gets pissed and quits on the spot.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean

You forgot the most important part which is that he also demanded to be the sole heir in rich old dudes will

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produced no unity, and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.

And that guy offered to pay to send him back to school!

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


The way this is unfolding is loving nuts for those of us who never knew the details of Cunanan's life. Having all his victims in one place like that was some classic

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

How much of this backstory is embellished? I'm definitely enjoying the season, but the OJ season had so much documentation to work with, plus most of the main characters were alive and we'd gotten to hear what they had to say. Since most of the main cast this season are his victims, in the back of my mind I'm just wondering how much of these interactions is speculation.

Ormi
Feb 7, 2005

B-E-H-A-V-E
Arrest us!


GobiasIndustries posted:

How much of this backstory is embellished? I'm definitely enjoying the season, but the OJ season had so much documentation to work with, plus most of the main characters were alive and we'd gotten to hear what they had to say. Since most of the main cast this season are his victims, in the back of my mind I'm just wondering how much of these interactions is speculation.

Pretty much all of it. We know only the barest details of his relationships with his victims. The relationship with Blachford which was shown is more solidly grounded than anything else, even including his mother.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

Ormi posted:

Pretty much all of it. We know only the barest details of his relationships with his victims. The relationship with Blachford which was shown is more solidly grounded than anything else, even including his mother.

That's what I figured. Like, maybe there might have been diary notes or recollection from the victims' family members or something but again there was nothing any of his victims seemingly would have raised concerns about because his killing spree hadn't happened. Still good television, just very different from what we got in the OJ season.

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011



Lipstick Apathy

For example the old dude's family denies that he ever met Andrew and that it was a random killing. So the show puts down the theory that they had met previously that he was closeted and. And then, the family denies it "in show". So they mix fact and fiction as part of their overall narrative.

Same with Versace, I believe they deny that the meeting ever took place, the show then portrays it as maybe it happened, maybe it's a fantasy, something like that. I think that the unreliable narrator stuff allows them to be fast and lose with the facts while still telling the story they want.

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Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

"What do you fear
most in the world?"

"The possibility that
love is not enough."


GobiasIndustries posted:

That's what I figured. Like, maybe there might have been diary notes or recollection from the victims' family members or something but again there was nothing any of his victims seemingly would have raised concerns about because his killing spree hadn't happened. Still good television, just very different from what we got in the OJ season.
It has next to nothing in common with the OJ season or why I loved that one, but this is still loving gripping television.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

It has next to nothing in common with the OJ season or why I loved that one, but this is still loving gripping television.

Darren Criss is knocking it out of the park.

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008



algebra testes posted:

Same with Versace, I believe they deny that the meeting ever took place, the show then portrays it as maybe it happened, maybe it's a fantasy, something like that. I think that the unreliable narrator stuff allows them to be fast and lose with the facts while still telling the story they want.

I believe Versace's family also claims that his illness was cancer and not HIV/AIDS like the show presents.

OmegaBR
Feb 14, 2012

Come to me .... and live forever.


The hanging scene in the military barracks was pretty heavy handed, even compared to the general exaggeration.

Although I do find it interesting how season 1 connected race to the O.J. case (not that you couldn't of course.) And now season 2 expands on this case to highlight how homosexuality was treated even twenty years ago (the cops being wary about investigating, how they were treated in the military, the idea that many powerful people were closeted allowing Andrew to take advantage, etc.) It didn't seem like they could have stretched this out into nine episodes given what little detail we have, but they're doing a great job of creating a narrative, embellished as it may be.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Jeff Trail really did give an interview to CBS for what it's worth

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011



Lipstick Apathy

OmegaBR posted:

The hanging scene in the military barracks was pretty heavy handed, even compared to the general exaggeration.

Although I do find it interesting how season 1 connected race to the O.J. case (not that you couldn't of course.) And now season 2 expands on this case to highlight how homosexuality was treated even twenty years ago (the cops being wary about investigating, how they were treated in the military, the idea that many powerful people were closeted allowing Andrew to take advantage, etc.) It didn't seem like they could have stretched this out into nine episodes given what little detail we have, but they're doing a great job of creating a narrative, embellished as it may be.

Yeah I really love how every time the victim being gay comes up it's suddenly a surprise or uncomfortable for the detectives involved. Like never once is the answer to "He was gay" "That doesn't change anything" it's always suddenly seen as a complication by the detectives. And I think that narrative is what makes David's death so loving heartbreaking is that his Dad is supportive of him, and one of the few characters I guess in an authority position (in a sense) who is.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


That was, uh, unexpected

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Holy poo poo. Good episode but I'm kinda disappointed there is such little talk about it

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


I'm still not totally sold on this story needing to be told in reverse. Are they just gonna leap all the way forward to the hunt for Cunanan and his death in the last hour?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.




This show is so drat good.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


esperterra posted:

This show is so drat good.



also i did not know that versace was the original tetsuo nomura

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.




precision posted:



also i did not know that versace was the original tetsuo nomura

Beltz n zippasssssssssssssss

I'm so glad I caught up on this in time to catch the latest episode. Kind of glad I waited in general, mainlining like 7 episodes in two days was a beautiful and harrowing experience. I'm so loving impressed by Darren Criss in this.

sector_corrector
Jan 18, 2012


Henchman of Santa posted:

I'm still not totally sold on this story needing to be told in reverse. Are they just gonna leap all the way forward to the hunt for Cunanan and his death in the last hour?

I think it works. It humanizes Cunanan as much as he can be, and also is thematically consistent with the idea that homophobia both enabled and perpetuated his crimes.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


sector_corrector posted:

I think it works. It humanizes Cunanan as much as he can be, and also is thematically consistent with the idea that homophobia both enabled and perpetuated his crimes.

Yeah, I like it too. It shifts the focus away from what Cuanan did (which is a relatively simple case of public record) and towards who the man was (which is not). It's psychological character study in place of a thriller.

On a wankier level you could also gesture at the way the structure mirrors but also ridicules the police investigations. We tend to arrive at the moment of these character's deaths, and then move forwards, like the investigators, only for the show to loop back around and look at the people they were. Assumptions they've made are untrue, just as the assumptions we tend to make about Cuanan's lies are (occasionally) untrue. It's unreductive.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.




Yeah, I've really been loving going backward. I think my only real complaint was them dropping the Versace family stuff for two episodes, but then both of those episodes were amazing so it's barely a complaint at all.

Finn Wittrock is so drat good.

CaveGrinch
Dec 5, 2003
I'm a mean one.

At what point did Darren Criss get so goddamn pretty?

Also, it will be a shame if he isn’t Emmy and Globe nominated for this.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

CaveGrinch posted:

At what point did Darren Criss get so goddamn pretty?

birth tbh but here's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr1p7BvCQ0U

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

"What do you fear
most in the world?"

"The possibility that
love is not enough."


This is really weird to see now considering I never watched Glee and I've only been seeing him brutally murder people recently.

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008


Another good moment as a sequel to that one to see his acting skills is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PX2_9LNa2E

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean

Man, Glee has some hosed alumni.

The guy that died from heroin OD, the child porn dude, domestic abuser and all around crazy person Nya Rivera, and now Andrew Cunanan.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.




Yet Chris Colfer remains pure and good and I wish to make him my wife.


Lea Michele is supposed to be an rear end in a top hat too but not crazy tier.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean

Yeah I originally had Lea Michelle listed as super diva but compared to the rest, it didn’t seem right to put her on the list.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

Girl you know you gotta watch your health


I can hardly stand Gianni and Donatella's rich people problems, but Darren Criss is so good that it pretty much balances out.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

Glee also had Supergirl so...not all bad

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Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Extremely normal dad

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