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Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008
That story probably has a minimum of three factual errors in it though.

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Fiedler
Jun 29, 2002

I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.

Gazpacho posted:

it's really hard to believe thinking back on it but at the time i was there, there was no attempt to systematically explain to new employes even the most basic things like "how items are tracked in containers", even though the company had the resources and reasons to do so. I was thrown into meetings where everyone used TLAs (including confusing ones like "IPC" that don't mean what you assume) with complete indifference to whether the new guy understood, and when the next guy came into the team, I watched them do the same thing to him

This is SOP for big tech companies.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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Fiedler posted:

This is SOP for big tech companies.
WADR Amazon was not the first big tech company I had worked for nor the biggest. its pathology with regard to onboarding people was on a special level that, with few exceptions, produced a constant atmosphere of mutual hostility

Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jan 28, 2018

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Gazpacho posted:

WADR Amazon was not the first big tech company I had worked for nor the biggest. its pathology with regard to onboarding people was on a special level that, with few exceptions, produced a constant atmosphere of mutual hostility

So, apple or samsung?

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



prime is effectively meaningless now anyways. it's basically place an order today (this day does not count), tomorrow the order will actually be processed and given to ups/usps/amazons own garbage tier carrier at 11:59pm so it will not move at all that day either, finally on day 2 the order actually begins moving towards you and the 2 day shipping* timer begins

*if your order is being shipped by the amazon carrier your package will not arrive in 2 days if at all

oh also its basically become aliexpress/ebay with all of the knockoff garbage shipped from china 21-30 day deliver

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

I've definitely had a few problems with stuff taking 3 days instead of 2. It just says 'Arriving today' up until midnight even if the detailed status shows it never left the airport

Siljmonster
Dec 16, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Missingsippi

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
my post office is so incredibly bad that it's the one of the worst ones in Brooklyn and ranks up there in terms of bad ones in NYC. It got bad enough that Amazon de-prioritized them for everyone in my neighborhood and this made the news.

poty
Jun 21, 2008

虹はどこで終わるのですか? あなたの魂の中で、または地平線で?

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

you can do this at amazon no problem. you just gotta buy it yourself.

also inside scoop some big changes are coming in staffing and there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people on the next month or two.

are they finally deploying the robots that whip workers that are slow collecting items from the shelves or try to take a bathroom break

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

NEED MORE MILK posted:

oh also its basically become aliexpress/ebay with all of the knockoff garbage shipped from china 21-30 day deliver

this reminds me that I received something the other day that I had completely forgotten about since it took so long; also it was an accessory (that was auto suggested) for something else that I had ordered along with it that arrived in 2 days

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

Amazon is basically Walmart but the depressing part is hidden behind closed doors

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
that means they can simultaneously be target and walmart

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD
for some reason amazon makes it really hard for me to purposefully pay them more to buy the item off them instead of some shithole third party vendor

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

TOOT BOOT posted:

I've definitely had a few problems with stuff taking 3 days instead of 2. It just says 'Arriving today' up until midnight even if the detailed status shows it never left the airport

if you contact them and complain, you’ll often get one free month of prime, for more of that great service!!

obstipator
Nov 8, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
when an item is late, i usually complain that i needed the item one day and didnt receive it and now i dont want the item. they usually refund the price but let you keep the item if/when it arrives

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
that’s a pro strat. will remember.

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

Jimmy Carter posted:

my post office is so incredibly bad that it's the one of the worst ones in Brooklyn and ranks up there in terms of bad ones in NYC. It got bad enough that Amazon de-prioritized them for everyone in my neighborhood and this made the news.

is it the post office in Coney Island by any chance?

off topic but i used to see Jeff the Vomit Guy from howard stern in there all the time

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
lol. it took me a second to realize that “Jeff the Vomit Guy” wasn’t referring to bezos.

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

President Beep posted:

lol. it took me a second to realize that “Jeff the Vomit Guy” wasn’t referring to bezos.

lmfao

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

akadajet posted:

jeff benzodiazepine is the least bad tech ceo though.

that fact he has so much money is evidence he's bad

good people don't get that rich

smart people don't get that rich

lucky people don't get that rich



only deeply evil people get that rich

pram
Jun 10, 2001
u jelly

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


is it worth dealing with bullshit at amazon for a couple of years to get that big name on the resume?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

pram posted:

u jelly

only of his ability to create wonders rivalling the great pyramids or the hanging gardens, and his subsequent choice not to

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
the wonders he creates are jobs!!!!!!!

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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qhat posted:

is it worth dealing with bullshit at amazon for a couple of years to get that big name on the resume?
If you work in a newer part of the company, maybe? Like don't work on the 90s legacy shitstack and don't work in a group that produces no direct revenue and therefore is managed exclusvely for cost. Ask what service framework the group uses and if they say "our own" stay away

And (good general advice) if anything is important to you to ask about in the interview, do not leave it at a yes or no answere

Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jan 29, 2018

pram
Jun 10, 2001

President Beep posted:

the wonders he creates are jobs!!!!!!!

lol

Fiedler
Jun 29, 2002

I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.

qhat posted:

is it worth dealing with bullshit at amazon for a couple of years to get that big name on the resume?

There are lots of alternatives one should consider before going to work at Amazon.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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hey jeff...

youre online store is a piece of poo poo!

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.
if i saw jeffy irl id probably spit at him but im guessing he rides helicopters around town to avoid facing the city he hosed apart

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

George posted:

if i saw jeffy irl id probably spit at him but im guessing he rides helicopters around town to avoid facing the city he hosed apart

nah, he just drives his old POS accord, but he takes the long way around.

FamDav
Mar 29, 2008

Gazpacho posted:

If you work in a newer part of the company, maybe? Like don't work on the 90s legacy shitstack and don't work in a group that produces no direct revenue and therefore is managed exclusvely for cost. Ask what service framework the group uses and if they say "our own" stay away

And (good general advice) if anything is important to you to ask about in the interview, do not leave it at a yes or no answere

so ive been at amazon for a little over 4 years now. when i joined i was going to be in for two years but i'm planning to be here for the forseeable future. i would ask

* are they in aws? are they in ec2? unless you loathe being oncall for a tier-1 service, i've found aws to be better and ec2 in particular. south africans yall.
* ask about whether they use common infrastructure vs homegrown stuff. if they use homegrown, why? and how well do they maintain it?
* are they using public aws? for what? if they aren't, why not? there's still a bunch of technical blockers to full native aws now for many teams, but make sure they think public aws is the future for development.
* like gaz said, ask about everything you care about. every team/org runs super differently, so don't expect what you heard about team X to be true about team Y. my first team i couldn't work from home at all, whereas my current team many people work from home 2-3 days a week.
* if you're worried after a month or three that you made a bad decision, you can transfer teams fairly easily nowadays. there's career fairs 3-4 times a year it feels like.

as for revenue vs cost, i would ask how the team charges their customers. a lot of older "cost centers" can be treated poorly because they have no way to assign costs to their customers. builder tools got socialism (every N SDEs means 1 builder tools SDE) but they're also making billing for internal infrastructure a thing as well as moving all internal infrastructure towards public aws. its much easier to justify your budget when you can point at how much other teams are spending on your service, as well as selling it to the public for a profit.

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



I live in a house and don’t have a mail room



guess the carrier

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

NEED MORE MILK posted:

I live in a house and don’t have a mail room



guess the carrier

lasership?

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
I think it’s a reading lamp, op.

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



akadajet posted:

lasership?

no it’s amazons in-house one. where it’s just people driving around in their own cars delivering poo poo


they’re bad

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

also inside scoop some big changes are coming in staffing and there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people on the next month or two.


i bet the big change is "we're opening a new office building, half of you have been selected to relocate or get fired! wooooo!"

dividertabs
Oct 1, 2004

Gazpacho posted:

Ask what service framework the group uses and if they say "our own" stay away

Are you saying to reject teams using Coral or to reject teams using a team-specific framework?

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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dividertabs posted:

Are you saying to reject teams using Coral or to reject teams using a team-specific framework?
the question was about Amazon as a short-term career move, and imo recognized skills are more valuable on a resume than a big company's name. like, I did rack up some service development experience there, but it means very little for finding a job elsewhere because nobody does a keyword search for codigo or apollo and a lot of that experience was about sustaining antipatterns

pram
Jun 10, 2001
the experience you get from giant companies is usually worthless because you end up working on some extremely specific horseshit that doesnt exist without insanely bloated budgets and entrenched fiefdoms

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FamDav
Mar 29, 2008

the only thing more frightening than the existence of codigo services in 2018 is bsf services in 2018

dividertabs posted:

Are you saying to reject teams using Coral or to reject teams using a team-specific framework?

coral is another one of those things that if amazon open sourced it 8-10 years ago it would've been really cool and good but now very few people would be interested

coral is still good though

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