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Gay Horney
Feb 9, 2013


some type of system where there's no conan style base destruction at all would be ideal. Players workshops would not have their inventory lootable, but when a hostile player attempts to loot them that raider would get some type of reward. Perhaps it would debit the owner some Caps or some type of Energy Resource but nothing unique would be steal able. Perhaps killing players could drop a loot box with chances on PVP gear, caps, launch codes, and again the victim would lose caps but otherwise respawn unaltered with immunity to the murdering player and his clan for a time period or forever I guess.

On top of this you would have the public workshop system already in the game where control of specific workbenches on the map is the only way to get a specific type of thing. That could be fun

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Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003



Riatsala posted:

Or from tripping on a car, dying?

Yeah. That happened once and I learned from it and it never happened again.

Are you gonna whine forever about it?

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

in soviet russia, you shove robot

LMAO if you lose 2 hours of progress to getting stuck inside a curb just suck it up and do better next time. Jobs and social lives are for casuals.

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013

Even after all this time, my ego is still trying to shove me backward

Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:

Yeah. That happened once and I learned from it and it never happened again.

Are you gonna whine forever about it?

Yes, probably

In all seriousness, I *do* love fallout 4 survival, even if I think it's a fundamentally bad idea to force players more than 3 minutes away from their last save in any bethesda game.

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003



goatsestretchgoals posted:

LMAO if you lose 2 hours of progress to getting stuck inside a curb just suck it up and do better next time. Jobs and social lives are for casuals.

LMAO if you get so mad about video game "progress" that you troll about it years later.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

You see it works on two levels because the collective noun for owls is a parliament and also he's an idiot.


Survival is a lot better I think with sleep or save so you can just treat beds like checkpoints.

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003



I treat beds like beds and dying like waking up from a bad dream.

LingcodKilla
Dec 28, 2002

I ate too much crab and transformed into this.


Even though power armor is “bad” I like flying around with the jet pack. Makes sleeping a pain in the rear end because you have to get out of the suit.

So it’s really my fault for not saving at any of the 20 or so beds I ran across by then.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


CharlestonJew posted:

I think my copy of Fallout New Vegas is racist. All the black people in my game turned white today

Open C:\Users\<your Windows username>\Documents\My Games\FalloutNV

Set bLoadFaceGenHeadEGTFiles=1

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013

Even after all this time, my ego is still trying to shove me backward

OwlFancier posted:

Survival is a lot better I think with sleep or save so you can just treat beds like checkpoints.

Would you get rid of the adrenaline mechanic in this instance? I've never known what to feel about that.

I do, however, remember the peak realism of a popular overhaul mod that made it so adrenaline only works with melee\unarmed weapons "just like in real life" and if there's a better example of a modder completely misunderstanding the purpose of a gameplay abstraction I haven't found it yet.

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003



Why is power armor "bad"? Is this some tryhard elitism that I'm not yet aware of?

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013

Even after all this time, my ego is still trying to shove me backward

Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:

Why is power armor "bad"? Is this some tryhard elitism that I'm not yet aware of?

I can't speak for other people but I personally felt that vanilla made 100% armor uptime a little too feasible.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008



Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:

Why is power armor "bad"? Is this some tryhard elitism that I'm not yet aware of?

I play vanilla console and it makes the screen bob a bucnh and is noisy.

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003



I don't think FO4 was ever really meant to be played in anything but Survival mode, but they added normie mode so type A losers could feel good about fake accomplishments like beating video games and achievements?

edit: That makes sense about being noisy... I've mostly walked or sneaked because running eats up fusion cores, but I'm pretty flush with cores at this point and often run to get to places faster...

Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at Jun 23, 2018 around 04:14

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

in soviet russia, you shove robot

Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:

LMAO if you get so mad about video game "progress" that you troll about it years later.

I'm the idiot who just did that on a brand new survivor run yesterday.

So uh...owned?

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003



You're the one getting mad about a video game, dude.

My point is, write it off as a bad dream and point your compass a different direction next time.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

in soviet russia, you shove robot

Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:

Yeah. That happened once and I learned from it and it never happened again.

Are you gonna whine forever about it?

Yes, I am the one who is off base here.

What name do you post under on NMA?

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013

Even after all this time, my ego is still trying to shove me backward

Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:

I don't think FO4 was ever really meant to be played in anything but Survival mode, but they added normie mode so type A losers could feel good about fake accomplishments like beating video games and achievements?

You want so badly to feel superior about something today. :\


Mr Hootington posted:

I play vanilla console and it makes the screen bob a bucnh and is noisy.

The immersive qualities of it do tend to grate after a while. I think they also shrink your FOV?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

You see it works on two levels because the collective noun for owls is a parliament and also he's an idiot.


Riatsala posted:

Would you get rid of the adrenaline mechanic in this instance? I've never known what to feel about that.

I do, however, remember the peak realism of a popular overhaul mod that made it so adrenaline only works with melee\unarmed weapons "just like in real life" and if there's a better example of a modder completely misunderstanding the purpose of a gameplay abstraction I haven't found it yet.

Sleep or save handles it by making saves reduce your adrenaline a bit too. To be honest I've never been able to kill enough things before needing to sleep such that adrenaline has had any effect on my playthrough whatsoever. The stat penalties from not sleeping are more significant than a couple of percentage points to damage maybe some of the time.

vandalism
Aug 4, 2003

sometimes... you just gotta break stuff.

Real talk I play survival with console enabled and type save 1 save 2 save 3 in that order every few minutes. Dont gently caress around out there boys.

Avalanche
Feb 2, 2007


https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ut-shelter-code

quote:

Report: Bethesda sues Warner Bros., claims Westworld game uses Fallout Shelter code
Megaton.


Bethesda is reportedly suing Warner Bros. over the Westworld mobile game, which it claims uses Fallout Shelter code.
According to TMZ, Bethesda is suing Warner Bros. and Behaviour Interactive, the developer of the game. In court documents, Bethesda reveal it contracted Behaviour in 2014 to work on Fallout Shelter before Behaviour went on to make the Westworld game for Warner.
Fallout Shelter is a building and people management sim with a cute art design where you play the vault overseer. You have to keep your vault dwellers alive, playing Cupid to get them to have babies, while all sorts of things go wrong in the vault and, when you can, send your people out into the wasteland to gather resources. It looks like this:

Westwork is a park management sim with a cute art design where you play as a new Delos employee and have to control the overworld from an underground bunker, creating AI hosts and matching guests with them in order to satisfy their every desire. It looks like this:

So, how does Bethesda know Westworld includes Fallout Shelter code, apart from the, ahem, surface level similarities? Because the same bugs that were in an early version of Fallout Shelter are also in Westworld. Oops!
Bethesda wants Westworld shut down and a cut of the profits. We've contacted both publishers for comment.

Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

Interesting that Bethesda claims to know their bugs

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 21, 2011


Todd Howard squinting as a screen: wait a second...i'd recognize that man swimming thru the air anywhere...thus is gamebryo code!!!

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:

I don't think FO4 was ever really meant to be played in anything but Survival mode, but they added normie mode so type A losers could feel good about fake accomplishments like beating video games and achievements?

Strange that they waited nearly five months after launch to put it in, then. ('Survival' was just a fancy name for 'Very Hard' until then.)

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003



True love waits, bb.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Cyberpunkey Monkey posted:

I don't think FO4 was ever really meant to be played in anything but Survival mode, but they added normie mode so type A losers could feel good about fake accomplishments like beating video games and achievements?

edit: That makes sense about being noisy... I've mostly walked or sneaked because running eats up fusion cores, but I'm pretty flush with cores at this point and often run to get to places faster...

They patched in Survival mode months after release

E: I see that's come up. Well also, beating the game and getting achievements in survival mode are also fake accomplishments

2house2fly fucked around with this message at Jun 23, 2018 around 11:22

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History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION~!

he knows...



Lipstick Apathy


Lol it looks exactly like it too, wow.

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