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Yeah, it only feels new and different because its a woman and that's never really been done before by WWE. But its been done a million times for men. So its really just the same thing you might not like about WWE but applied equally to the genders! #Feminism I guess the one difference I could say is that Rousey has zero wrestling resume so if she's given a title shot that might be relatively unique. People like Rock and Lesnar have gotten those immediate title shots but they were also former World Champions with wrestling resumes. Folks like Mayweather and LT just competed in "exhibition" matches. I can't think of a case where someone was brought in without a wrestling background (and in fact, a former world champion) and immediately propelled to the top of a title division. Rousey might be unique in that regard. But that's all kind of in the weeds of his fans. Its a short term shadow on the division but its unlikely to be meaningful long term or yield more negative consequences than whatever positives they get out of Rousey at WM.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Shamrock was more or less pushed to the moon as soon as he debuted right Shamrock is so different than Ronda, it’s not even worth comparing
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Shamrock was more or less pushed to the moon as soon as he debuted right He should have been but they never really pushed him as hard as they should have given the hype he had coming in. So WCW did it with Goldberg instead.
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MassRafTer posted:If women are going to be treated equally then when giant stars are available from outside the company they need to be brought in and catered to, just like the men. Astro7x posted:I'm sure we see it as Rousey taking the "spot" of someone else on the roster, but the women see it as getting more exposure and getting their name out there. If it is true that WWE wants to put a bigger focus on the women's division as a whole because Rousey will be the companies biggest mainstream star, then that's good for all the women.
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mkay0 posted:Shamrock is so different than Ronda, it’s not even worth comparing Ronda is obviously a much bigger mainstream star but there was a bidding war for Shamrock in 97 and he was considered a huge get.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Shamrock was more or less pushed to the moon as soon as he debuted right He was pushed as scary and dangerous but my memory is worked his way in feuds with other upper midcarders and main eventers and then went on to win the King of the Ring tournament. He certainly wasn't pushed straight into a World Title match at WM. A quick look at cagematch (I hate the new format) seems to show it took 4 months or so of being a regular competitor before he got a non house show Title shot. Its similar but Rousey still seems like the new standard bearer in terms of "lack of experience to propulsion of push"
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AsInHowe posted:Why am I posting this link?  ?WWE leadership may not have any minorities, but t least they have one guy from France WrasslorMonkey fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Faustian Bargain posted:Ronda in WWE is hilarious because it's admitting she isn't bad enough to fight for real after getting clowned hard in her last two fights. Makes WWE look like a consolation prize (which it is). If I had made enough money fighting other people in a cage to never fight another person in a cage again I would probably never fight another person in a cage either
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Canyon Ceman is going to show up on 205 Live, and get roped into being the GM, when in reality he's trying to deliver all of the future endeavor papers to the crusierweights. (Because no one watches 205 Live)
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It’ll be the BIG DOG probably for 205 GM. Or maybe it could be Stephanie and Shane’s secret brother nobody knows about...
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PrincessWuffles posted:I get what both of you are saying. MassRafTer, I agree it's not bad for a huge star from outside to come in and be treated like a star. You're right. Corollary to Astro7x's point, I can see how this is more than probably a good, big, move for the division and could put new eyes on the product. It's not that the whole thing doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it was just especially the timing of stepping on Asuka's victory thunder that set me off. I'm happy to see Rhonda and hope we get something good from her presence. I guess I hope more other talented fighters, women and men, are afforded similar courtesy in bypassing developmental, and maybe this is a step in that direction. This is confusing. You don’t like Ronda showing up at the head of the line, but you hope more people do it?
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Faustian Bargain posted:Ronda in WWE is hilarious because it's admitting she isn't bad enough to fight for real after getting clowned hard in her last two fights. Makes WWE look like a consolation prize (which it is). 
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:This is confusing. You don’t like Ronda showing up at the head of the line, but you hope more people do it? People getting to bypass developmental is an extremely good thing and I agree with him.
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Astro7x posted:I'm sure we see it as Rousey taking the "spot" of someone else on the roster, but the women see it as getting more exposure and getting their name out there. If it is true that WWE wants to put a bigger focus on the women's division as a whole because Rousey will be the companies biggest mainstream star, then that's good for all the women. Sasha Banks v. Alicia Fox in a Alicia Fox is Crazy Match SUN GOD AVATAR posted:It’ll be the BIG DOG probably for 205 GM. Nope. It will be "Little Dog" Trevor "Company Ro" Mann. https://twitter.com/KingRicochet/status/957030669665882115 https://mobile.twitter.com/KingRicochet/status/958180554310082560 https://twitter.com/KingRicochet/status/957792131816591360 Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Update on the Jeremy Borash stuff. PWInsider is reporting that he won't be a part of the Hardy storyline most likely. He'll have a role in NXT in some fashion. They don't exactly know what though. Like I posted in the NXT thread, he could be a ring announcer or backstage interviewer. He's expected to start at this week's NXT tapings.
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And? Brock easily beating the poo poo out of everyone in WWE makes the company look like garbage compared to the real sport. Extra funny if Ronda does the same to the women's division that Brock has done to the men's. The rest of the roster looks like garbage compared to these once legit fighters.
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Faustian Bargain posted:And? Brock easily beating the poo poo out of everyone in WWE makes the company look like garbage compared to the real sport. Extra funny if Ronda does the same to the women's division that Brock has done to the men's. The rest of the roster looks like garbage compared to these once legit fighters. No it doesn't. Brock Lesnar being on TV for like ten weeks a year while holding the belt makes the sport look like garbage.
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The women's division doesn't really have anyone big enough for Ronda to debut with/against if a title isn't involved, especially if she isn't going to be touring regularly
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"We shouldn't push anyone with legit tough guy creds because it would make sport look bad" is an extremely bold promotion strategy given the history of pro wrestling by the way.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:"We shouldn't push anyone with legit tough guy creds because it would make sport look bad" is an extremely bold promotion strategy given the history of pro wrestling by the way.
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Faustian Bargain posted:It would be different if she didn't get murdered in hilarious fashion in her last two fights. Now it's "once legit fighter could no longer cut it, drops down to kill all these fakers instead." Every boxing fan considered Tyson a washed up joke in 1998 and he drew enough in a single show as a guest ref to change the entire business.
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Faustian Bargain posted:It would be different if she didn't get murdered in hilarious fashion in her last two fights. Now it's "once legit fighter could no longer cut it, drops down to kill all these fakers instead." Pretty much no one from a legitimate athletic background is doing wrestling at their peak so by your logic we better not bring in any of em!
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MassRafTer posted:People getting to bypass developmental is an extremely good thing and I agree with him. Agreed, but only if they have been wrestling for less than a year
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As we all know everyone thought it was good that Cena beat Lesnar at that XR match because otherwise it would make the top company's star look bad to lose to a washed up MMA fighter coming off getting his rear end beat.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Every boxing fan considered Tyson a washed up joke in 1998 and he drew enough in a single show as a guest ref to change the entire business. MassRafTer posted:Pretty much no one from a legitimate athletic background is doing wrestling at their peak so by your logic we better not bring in any of em!
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Anyone who follows WWE does not give a poo poo about Ronda getting clowned in her last two MMA fights
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Yeah, practically I don't see how Rousey is any different as a "failed" or "washed up" MMA competitor coming to wrestling than Brock was or Ernie Ladd or Brian Pillman were as NFL players. Its only funny to MMA fans who want to laugh.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:As we all know everyone thought it was good that Cena beat Lesnar at that XR match because otherwise it would make the top company's star look bad to lose to a washed up MMA fighter coming off getting his rear end beat. Cena beating Brock at Extreme Rules was good because it adds so much to SummerSlam 14.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, practically I don't see how Rousey is any different as a "failed" or "washed up" MMA competitor coming to wrestling than Brock was or Ernie Ladd or Brian Pillman were as NFL players. Or Goldberg lmao
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Faustian Bargain posted:Weird it's almost like was a guest ref and not a roster member :thinking: So you want her to beat John Cena in her first match?
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VJeff posted:Cena beating Brock at Extreme Rules was good because it adds so much to SummerSlam 14. As I recall the picture the Wrestling Observer website used for the Cena/Lesnar XR match was a pile of money being lit on fire. I think people forget that Lesnar was more or less dead in the water until Mania XXX.
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I want her to lose via rollup to Alicia Fox on a PPV preshow match. I just don't want to see Ronda as an untouchable leviathan ala Brock the last few years. It's boring. Might need wrestlers to get personalities for things to be different.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Or Goldberg lmao Yeah. Or Baron Corbin. Or Moose. Or Mojo. Or Ron Simmons. Or Lex Luger. There might as well be a "Pro Wrestling As A Backup Plan" class at the NFL Scouting Combine. Or... you know. The Rock, who got cut from the CFL before turning to wrestling.
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Faustian Bargain posted:I want her to lose via rollup to Alicia Fox on a PPV preshow match. If you like wasting potential star power and flushing money down the toilet, you must love the booking in the rest of the company.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah. Or Baron Corbin. Or Moose. Or Mojo. Or Ron Simmons. Or Lex Luger. There might as well be a "Pro Wrestling As A Backup Plan" class at the NFL Scouting Combine. Faustian Bargain posted:Do people actually like Brock's booking? People want the same thing but now in women's division form?
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