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Alchenar posted:No the game has all the hallmarks of Gollop's design philosophy. It's absolutely Apocalypse Take Two, and it's weird saviour clutching at straws to suggest that Gollop was somehow uninvolved and his second coming is still possible. Yeah this game definitely is Gollop. Like yes, his orig stuff was phenomenal for its time! but he has learned nothing in the years since
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Yeah in Apocalypse it was forgivable that you could win every non-objective map by standing still and hitting full speed because the aliens were programmed to run at you. We're 20 years on though and expectations are higher.
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Feb 27, 2020 15:20
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Alchenar posted:No the game has all the hallmarks of Gollop's design philosophy. It's absolutely Apocalypse Take Two, and it's weird saviour clutching at straws to suggest that Gollop was somehow uninvolved and his second coming is still possible.
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Feb 27, 2020 18:53
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nnnotime posted:I'll take my weird opinion over a naive opinion any day. Ah yes, naive to not believe in bizarre conspiracy theories that have no evidence in their favor and don't make any sense. Why would Gollop farming the development of the game out create a game that feels outdated? Most people in the videogame industry are 30 years younger than him and if they were to do a phoned in design they'd probably copy nu-XCOM more than Gollop's early work.
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Feb 27, 2020 20:11
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I was wondering if I should get into this because the factions seemed like a lot of fun. A shame the gameplay seems to be utter balls.
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Feb 27, 2020 20:38
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Josef bugman posted:I was wondering if I should get into this because the factions seemed like a lot of fun. It’s fuckin’ awful. Maybe the DLC fixes things, but probably not.
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Feb 27, 2020 20:38
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We got notes for the patch released today:quote:Please find the patch notes for the game balance changes in the March 4th patch.
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Mar 4, 2020 22:23
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Well, I have no idea if any of that is good, but the amount of it is promising. :P
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Mar 4, 2020 22:56
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Memnaelar posted:Well, I have no idea if any of that is good, but the amount of it is promising. :P there's still a lot of work that needs to be done but all of the changes are good, IMO
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Mar 4, 2020 23:06
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the fact that they're continuing to tweak it and play around with basically every facet of the system is very cool and good. I've been sporadically playing the game and enjoying it, but I know a lot of people had higher expectations and were disappointed by it on release so I don't blame anyone who wants to wait awhile to dive into it.
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Mar 4, 2020 23:09
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oh, also here's the DLC reveal video I didn't have time to watch but it has a developer commentating and i think it might also talk about balance changes? not sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeefWt83B8s
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So biotics are not only supper costly, but they're also huge resource sinks just to maintain. Doesn't really sound worth it since they're not powerful.
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Mar 5, 2020 02:24
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Meh. No changes to willpower, at all. Adding tons of shredding is a big kick in the pants to the big boys but you're still just better off chain-sniping the little guys. Big systemic nerf to levels to rein in the training facility is also a big kick in the balls to iron man, since its far harder to replace experienced troops when most of your SP comes from missions. They coulda just nerfed the training facility directly, or maybe made recruitment not suck.
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Yeah I'm kinda disappointed that bionics require a lot of resources to maintain and that the things they offer aren't that huge. The juggernaut cyberware seems decent, being able to push down walls and everything, but I have no idea why they couldn't have just made the shield a normal equipment ability or like an item with a 1AP deploy cost.
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The "repair at base" stuff makes me think that the bionic parts will be way more durable, maybe outpacing heavy armor. I think that'd be a good way to implement it - you can get a few very powerful soldiers but they cost a lot to make and are a constant drain on resources so you can't just have an entire squad of cyborgs. I guess i'll have to wait and see how it works in the game. I'm also curious about the balance patch that I think will be coming out at the same time as the DLC. Unless I'm misremembering the announcement and the balance patch is the same one that just came out.
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I've come back to this since the DLC. The game still isn't a revolutionary XCOM beater, but they've smoothed out the frustrating elements and improved performance a bit. It's now an interesting dive into what turn based tactics looks like if you continue down the road of Apocalypse design philosophy.
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Mar 21, 2020 21:12
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Is this available outside of the Epic store yet?
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Elephant Ambush posted:Is this available outside of the Epic store yet? I think one year from its original release. Edit: forgot about GamePass! In part because I literally forget that exists. But I believe 1 year is the time for other stores, i.e. Steam. Akratic Method fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Mar 23, 2020 |
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Mar 22, 2020 09:56
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what an amazing time limit, because no one played this game after the week it was released
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Mar 22, 2020 09:58
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Elephant Ambush posted:Is this available outside of the Epic store yet? It's on xbox pc game pass.
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Haha, okay past the first couple of hours the game still introduces incredible bullshit. Yes Julian, grenade launchers are a thing in combat. No, a weapon in your TBS game that can hit almost any square on the map without needing LOS is not a good idea.
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Kanos posted:It's on xbox pc game pass. It was on Game Pass within days of release, which kind of feels like a dick move for a kickstarted game.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It was on Game Pass within days of release, which kind of feels like a dick move for a kickstarted game. It wasn't days, it was long enough that I completely lost interest waiting between release and it going up on game pass.
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Knobb Manwich posted:It wasn't days, it was long enough that I completely lost interest waiting between release and it going up on game pass. It was supposed to go up day-of-release, IIRC, but there were a bunch of technical problems. It was definitely within a week or two.
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I've been hearing that this game has been fixing its issues, is it worth taking a look at now or does it still suck?
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SirSamVimes posted:I've been hearing that this game has been fixing its issues, is it worth taking a look at now or does it still suck? Really depends on what your problem is with the game. They are changing some of the OP and unintuitive mechanics like training center spam, unlimited dashing. The latest DLC added some new armor parts and sub-faction that uses them. I'd say wait for a whole year until all the planned season 1 DLC come out.
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SirSamVimes posted:I've been hearing that this game has been fixing its issues, is it worth taking a look at now or does it still suck? I absolutely love it even at this arguably shaky stage. If you're like me and the only reason you're not still playing XCOM2 is you already played it for 500+ hours, I'd go for it. Otherwise, maybe wait until it comes out on Steam at the end of the year.
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Ms Adequate posted:tbf we remember the failures but backing sometimes results in good games too. I don't regret backing FTL or Pillars of Eternity as examples. the only game i ever kickstarted was barkley 2 
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I also jumped back in with the release of first DLC. Whatever change they made to difficulty scaling made it so enemies don't instantly have full body armor and actually makes the game playable. I had a pretty good time with it, although I did cheat engined through all but my first lair mission, and cheat engined through several base defenses at the end, aaaaaand the final mission. At that point I knew my time with the game was over and if I spent any more time with it past that point I'd hate it, so I just got the first ending that showed up. I was allied 100% with my Anrcho-Syndicalist buds but they never gave me an option to get their ending, so I just said gently caress Humanity and poisoned the whole world. It feels like the most Lovecraft inspired stuff was the opening and the reveal of what the nature of the threat is. I'm a sucker for people mysteriously walking into The Fog Drawn By A Siren Call so I was a little disappointed most the game took place after the functional end of the world. Still, there was some pretty decent writing at times. Shame about the game being the way it is.
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Sorry to bump this thread again, but I just wanted to warn people to stay away. Despite the mediocre reviews I bought and played 90 minutes to keep me within the Epic refund threshhold, and just... ugh. I don't know what I expected. I have easily 1000 hours between the original x-com trilogy and the two new ones. I've played through the AfterX series, Xenonauts, even janky Project Xenocide when it still existed. This is the worst game in the genre I have played to date. Nothing about it sucked me in. Killing enemies wasn't satisfying, the game looks bad (which isn't even something I normally care about), and the sense of managing a team of "your dudes" that you develop personalities for and care about just isn't there. I'll admit I'll probably try it again when I can buy it for 10$ on Steam with a couple years of patches and DLC, but right now it's not worth even the 30$ they want for it.
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It’s on Xbox Game Pass so you can play it for a month for $1 or whatever the current promo is.
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so i'm playing this on xbox game pass and uh apparently my saves are already corrupted? lol nice work gollop. I load in and everything is NEEDS TEXT NEEDS TEXT NEEDS TEXT. lolwut. E: apparently, on the windows store version/xgp version, if you alter your keybindings it breaks the game when you open it the next time. SpookyLizard fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Decided to try to jump back in and it's... better than it was before, but still has a lot of touches of amateurism (how do cutscenes still have typos in their subtitles?) and weird-rear end design, both procedurally and logically. Procedurally, I had my first nest set up so that LITERALLY both of the bosses were within sniper line of site from the jump. Level started, I shot them both thinking that there had to be one more deeper in, but NOPE. Done. Cool, I guess. Logically, I just did the first DLC mission which requires you to steal some info from some terminals owned by New Jericho. At first I played super-cautiously, as the guards have some huge guns and can easily mow down your squad if you're reckless. And then, on a lark, I decided to rush the objectives and see about just hacking all the terminals on round 2. I thought I'd at least have to extract my guys and expected a bloody struggle back to the EZ... but no, mission over as soon as I sat on the last flashing square. WEIRD. There's just a lot of that -- tons of attention to detail on nuances that maybe don't matter, but then complete loss of focus on the stuff that does. Nobody NEEDS to see the fancy PP jet fly into the LZ if you don't see the soldiers inside of it -- it's the soldiers that matter, not your mediocre render of a Manticore. *sigh* I kinda want to stick with it just to be able to speak more educatedly about the game and make sure I'm not jumping to opinions, but part of me is considering just putting it back on the backburner and waiting for all of the DLC to release before really giving it a shot. There IS a lot of fun there and I'm digging it as an alternative to Troubleshooter, but there's a lot to turn a blind eye to in terms of bad design decisions, questionable UI, shallow story, etc.
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SpookyLizard posted:so i'm playing this on xbox game pass and uh apparently my saves are already corrupted? lol nice work gollop. I load in and everything is NEEDS TEXT NEEDS TEXT NEEDS TEXT. lolwut. Or you could just play Gears Tactics, a much better Xcomalike on XBOX Games Pass made by the design geniuses who brought us the multiplayer component of DOOM 3.
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Gears Tactics is a shitload of fun. I did not expect to like it nearly as much as I did. Very dynamic gameplay that gives you a lot of interesting options. It’s basically reverse Pheonix Point.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Gears Tactics is a shitload of fun. I did not expect to like it nearly as much as I did. Very dynamic gameplay that gives you a lot of interesting options. It’s basically reverse Pheonix Point. After playing Phoenix Point, it felt liberating. They threw out anything about the XCOM formula that didn't fit. Unlike PP, which combines a kitchen-sink design philosophy with an ironclad requirement not to piss off nostalgic fans of a 1994 videogame that few people have actually played in the past 20 years.
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GT started off so so well but really loses it by the end. Only what, 4 mission types? Loot and upgrade system is just plain bad and its more efficient to recruit new guys than build up squaddies you've projected some character onto. A shame, when I first started playing I was loving it so much '... This, this is the dawn of war 3 that could have been'. Someone make a 40k xcom. (aside from Mechanicus)
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Yeah, gears tactics reeks of "we can do better" and i kinda hope it gets a sequel, i know it won't though, sadly.
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just think if gollop had decided to make this but hadn't been asleep in a hibernation chamber for 30 years
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TheLoneAmigo posted:Or you could just play Gears Tactics, a much better Xcomalike on XBOX Games Pass made by the design geniuses who brought us the multiplayer component of DOOM 3. the surprising quality of gears tactics does not take away from the fact that if you dont use stock leybinds in phoenix point it BREAKS THE loving GAME
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