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zoux posted:Oooh wee Time magizines review It doesn't even make sense the way she frames it, since whitewashing traditionally means taking a minority role from the source material and giving it to a more palatable, white actor. She's just following a knee jerk script. That's bad, but not quite as lazy as the reviewers complaining that the show exploits violence against women. I'm only 6 episodes in, but the gendered body count has got to be at least 25 to 1, and the one protracted torture scene has a male-bodied victim, in an intentional change from the book.
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zoux posted:The most laughable thing imo is saying they don't explore the ethical implications of stacks/re-sleeving/immortality, and is why I don't think she watched it. My favorite show addition along those lines is the total nonchalance of the hospital receptionist to the character with poor credit bleeding to death in front of her. The kind of thing that would come across as a trying-too-hard-for-edgy parody of modern norms in another work, but is here totally fitting and plausible when you consider the implications of stacks.
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Basticle posted:I'm avoiding reading this thread so I go in completely blind but question about episode 4: she was the prostitute that he asked to ask around, who injected him with tranquilizers when he came back. Organs are a valuable commodity.
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Feb 6, 2018 01:34
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Speaking of that stupid tower, could they have gotten any less subtle about Meths "looking down on people"? Yeah, somewhere between the meth turning a poor person into a pet snake for show-and-tell and the basement fight to death between poor people, I thought Netflix got a little carried away with that sequence. Spatula City posted:Everything is ludicrously on-the-nose in this series, it's kind of great. If there's any complaints I have about it, it's that it sort of loses the plot of the Bancroft mystery, and then belatedly remembers to wrap it up. instead of Kovacs's sister, her backstory in the book was that she was a 'water carrier', a Yakuza enforcer that would go to the homes of debtors with a lead flask of recycled coolant water from reactors and force them to drink it in front of their families. She's proud of this.
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Feb 6, 2018 09:17
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nessin posted:
I think its less that he was good about cleaning up his fingerprints and more that the clinic was doing so much illegal poo poo that they wouldn't want detectives anywhere near the crime scene. The book is also more explicit about the fact that Kovacs has not one but two meths (Bancroft and Rei) spending a small fortune in cash and influence to keep him out of jail during his investigation. And double sleeving is super illegal, punished by mandatory erasure. I think the only other crime they mention that gets that is unauthorized possession of a viral WMD.
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Feb 6, 2018 22:36
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Book spoilers: Not sure she's the one who specifies Tak. I think Bancroft finds him of his own accord. I might be wrong. Takeshi and Reileen are not related in the book, their prior relationship is that they worked together on another world, probably to stamp out a rebellion or install a new government. The main role of Envoys is not really super-soldiering, but what Takeshi calls "regime engineering." They are master manipulators, lacking in compassion, and have intuition-bordering-on-ESP. I think Kovacs even reflects on the fact that this incidentally makes them supreme detectives. I don't think it's said explicitly, but it makes sense that hiring a jailed ex-Envoy from hundreds of light years away would appeal to Bancroft's vanity in a way that hiring a local gumshoe would not.
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Kegslayer posted:
Quellcrist is explicitly pro-stack technology, IIRC. Considers it a vital tool of the revolution. An annoying pattern I've noticed with TV/Hollywood sci-fi is a knee-jerk tendency to brand any technology that makes someone superhuman, especially immortal, as coming at a terrible cost. Immortals always wish they could get cancer and die miserably after 70 years, so that "their life would have meaning". It's almost like writers feel the need to reassure viewers that superhuman characters are actually worse off. I liked BSG a lot at first because it seemed to eschew this- the Cylons reveled in the fact that they were effectively immortal and all of the advantages that came with it. And then they hit season 4 and bam, Cylons nobly sacrifice their immortality so that their lives could be short and meaningful. So one of the things that I liked about Altered Carbon was that the protagonist not only embraces the technology the way most of us would any medical advance, but views people who reject it for themselves as naive and people who reject it for others as despicable. It was disappointing if unsurprising that they made Kovacs ultimately go (slightly) antivaxxer just like all the others. quote:[spoiler] I'm disappointed that they cut a lot of the world building stuff but found room for side plots I didn't care about, like Elliot's and Ortega's families. Although skinhead grandma was amazing. In fairness though, as much as I liked the sequels, that genre jump was pretty jarring for the books too. I wouldn't mind if they just stuck with the cyberpunk noir instead, provided Morgan was involved.
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pile of brown posted:Not really a spoiler but stacks being Martian technology really fucks with a plot point from a later book, although now that I type this they hosed with that book in a more significant way already. How so? I've read the sequels and I don't know what you're referencing. Gyges posted:His entire plan is to save his sister by using the available tech to give her a couple centuries time out, forcing her to once again be "normal". The overriding push of the show is that the tech isn't actually a problem, it's money and power that corrupt. The Meths are bad not because they're immortal, it's because they're immoral. "Slightly", because I meant his backstory, where they made the Quellists anti-immortality.
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Feb 8, 2018 23:26
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Zaphod42 posted:This show has great ideas for all of its awkward ones. Specifically, the awkward ideas mostly come from the adaptation and the great ideas mostly come from the source, with the notable exception of skinhead grandma.
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Feb 9, 2018 10:16
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Phi230 posted:The flashback made the Envoys into YA novel levels of uncool I was wincing through that entire episode, and YA novel is a perfect characterization. Maybe I missed it in the all the wincing, but was there ever any grounded explanation for why Quell is basically Neo? Like shooting guns out of people's hands, catching knives with her back turned, rewriting VR rules from inside the simulation? Did they just bring in an edgy 14-year-old to write that episode?
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Feb 11, 2018 07:33
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dead comedy forums posted:honestly I really want to know why the gently caress netflix shows don't just drop but go into freefall after 6 or 7 episodes Book Reileen had a brief, previous professional relationship with Kovacs. She manipulates Bancroft to bring him in because she knows she can force him to abort the investigation, and once he does what she wants she pretty much loses all interest in him until he shows up pointing a gun in her face. Like most of the other posters, I'm fine with them making major changes and even prefer it, as long as it's logically-consistent. I got bored with GoT season 1 because it was so true to the first book that I knew everything that was going to happen. But a lot of the "logic on vacation" moments in the second half of AC are the result of the show writers overhauling the book motivation of characters but not their book actions, causing a lot of painful incongruities that they tried to gloss over in the last 3 episodes. e.g. Reileen having closely watched Kovacs through a series of minor characters would have been a neat episode-ender, except that it made no loving sense given that her self-proclaimed reason for bringing him to Earth was to reunite with him and he had every reason to love and trust her upon his arrival before her henchmen nearly killed him 8 times and he stumbled on her child snuff ring.
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Tiggum posted:
A charitable explanation would be that Reileen doesn't have quite enough pull, but Bancroft does. Probably more accurately, it's because all of her pre-episode 8 actions are consistent with book Reileen, who has no personal attachment to Kovacs whatsoever and whose entire goal is getting Bancroft to punt the bill.
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404notfound posted:Seriously, I just finished episode 10 and started reading more about the series on the internet (doing so before finishing is just asking to get spoiled), and it seems like this thread has already reached off-season status. 1 week after release = off-season seems about right for a 10-episode Netflix series.
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