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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Dexo posted:

What?

Rose loved the poo poo out of basketball. having to do like 4 injury rehabs in 5 years would probably break most anyone. That dude by all reports was a basketball robot, and is why he and Thibs got along so well from the start. They both only care about Basketball...

Now take that away from him with tons of injuries. Nowadays I dunno how much he loves the game, but yeah..


And yes, If wasn't constantly working on Rehabbing he probably would have had time to add other stuff to his game.
That MVP and the year after he was shooting fairly respectable from 3, and had been getting better.

Like dude had loving 4 loving knee injuries in 5 years. It's kinda insane to say he wouldn't have gotten better had he stayed healthy.

Also John Wall kinda still exists in this NBA.

He was also much better than Wall has ever been

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Ghost Dog posted:

the bengals lose every 1st round playoff game every year no matter how much better they are than the other team


so its very accurate

Yeah itís dead on. The Eagles of the NBA is a team thatís repeatedly been at the cusp of a title only to fall apart and have to rebuild from nothing. So like the Pacers or Magic or the Nets, kind of, except theyíve only ever been good once.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Ghost Dog posted:

they could stop giving jae crowder or IT any minutes and probably win more games in the short term but really they are basically just hoping lebron goes super saiyan and carrys them to another finals loss



which is possible

I mean letís say for the sake of argument that IT isnít done heís just got a ton of rust, if heís back to Boston shape by the playoffs their offense will be right where it was last year, maybe better, and cruising to the ECF will make everyone buddies again. Then the question is probably just whatís worse, the Boston offense or the Cleveland D. If they can get Jordan and keep Lebron and IT they could improve a lot next year, again provided heís not busted forever, but drat that tax bill O_O

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Is there evidence of a meaningfully higher rate of injury this year?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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The Glumslinger posted:

No, and we ask these questions literally every year

I was almost asking rhetorically but everyone seemed so genuine about higher possessions and more running I thought maybe it was well known and I just missed it. Seems like a normal year to me

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Oct 17, 2005

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EMC posted:

The IT Cleveland tribute video could be every one of his made baskets and still not be long enough to fill a whole time out

Also have NBA fans turned harder on anyone faster than IT this year, talk about a hero in Boston barely 6 months ago and now he is salary filler and assumed locker room cancer. Up there with The Decision and KD signing with the Warriors

I feel for the guy. His sister isnít a year in the ground, he suffered a major injury, was traded, came back and has struggled badly. Not a surprise heís not in a great state of mind. When he first got hurt people (including here) accused him of faking it

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Losing Good Rodney is tough, Iíd be emotional too

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Oct 17, 2005

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Away all Goats posted:

https://twitter.com/elfrid/status/961105074436046848

edit: man, looking at his stats they're not even that bad? what is orlando doing

I promise you thatís misleading. Heís a refugeeís Rondo, and the magic are better by a good margin when fucken DJ Augustin plays than Elf.

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Oct 17, 2005

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R.D. Mangles posted:

elfrid's going to get turned onto Hair Theory and become an all-star

This is a legit possibility except that itís very clear after he became a meme over it that heís doubled down and will never wise up

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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How could anyone possibly be interested in this

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Intruder posted:

So what? The goal isn't to play in a competitive conference

My goal is to watch one though

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Oladipo from 3 in 2018: 29/95, .305%. Yearly rate rapidly reverting to his career averages. Still having his best shooting year from 2 and in general by far, though. And still maybe the best dunker alive

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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R.D. Mangles posted:

the magic lost a game tonight when zach levine stole and dunked an inbound pass and then hezonja airballed a 38-foot Niko Special, Bulls need to send in tanking special agent Cam Payne now.

This gives the false impression Mario was anything but excellent tonight. That was the only 3 he missed. 24pts, 6 rebounds, 4 steals 3 blocks. 8/14 3/4 5/6 and only 1 turnover. No assist but who passes to these chumps anyway

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Dejan Bimble posted:

Since Aaron Gordon has been out, Hezonja has basically become a pure wing version of Gordon. It's awesome. He was always great but he needed to have the ball all the time to show it, which seems to be the case with a ton of fringe rotation guys

He absolutely has to dominate the ball because he isnít super smart off ball but as his confidence is improving his forever range means he can do damage off screens. Heís learning the NBA game and I honestly think, if everything goes right (because he clearly is not mentally a guy who will just develop automatically) he can be a meaner Paul George.

Heís definitely a d-league Jordan though, yeah

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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WhyteRyce posted:

Ron Artest was the best two way player in the league so theory disproven

remember when people actually said Ron Artest was the best two way player in the league

Keep in mind the league at the time featured prime Garnett, Duncan, and Kobe when he tried plus young Dwight and Lebron

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Oct 17, 2005

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CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean before now Mario was really bad so it isn't that crazy.

For those with Eyes to See he was Always Good

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Iím tellin ya, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is going to field a mean rear end team in the 2020 - 2028 olympics. Itís not just the unarguable mega stars Jokic, Doncic, and Hezonja, they have some legit support from guys like Dragic, Mirotic, Vucevic. America better watch out

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Lockback posted:

Overall his RPM is really good though, for the situation. If you're hitting him for the Offensive part of it, it's not fair not to give him credit for a higher RPM than Dragic, Reggie Jackson, Clarkson... You talk about being a net positive, but on RPM he is! There is a lot of cherry picking stats (Ignore RPM, only look at ORPM! Ignore production ONLY look at P&R stats!) to try to tell this narrative. Being a rookie PG is really tough and Lonzo has been playing alright. Everyone who knew how players develop knew he was going to be a project, and so far he's been doing pretty decent.

Iím very willing to make whatever will he be good in four years bet you want, on whatever post SA zombie forum still exists if necessary, because heís vastly more similar to MCW than Rubio and that shot is 100% not getting fixed

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Intruder posted:

Trade your chaff for Jimmy Harden, then a few years later trade a beloved player and a godlike Lou Williams for CP3 with those two moves sandwiching improbably discovering an elite swiss center in the latter part of the first round

Of the top 10 centers by WS this season and last season combined, five are lottery picks, five were taken later than the 20th pick. I think scouting of bigs is worse than other positions for some reason.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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euphronius posted:

Are you including KAT and AD and zinger.

BBREF didnít count AD but Porzingis does t make the cut (8.1ws is 29th in the league because Porzingis isnít all that great). Itís KAT, Valanciunas, Drummond, Adams, Horford from the lottery, Capela, Jokic, Gobert, Jordan, and Whiteside from the end of the draft.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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IcePhoenix posted:

Assuming he's using this search, no he is not.

e: apparently not quite the same search

Yeah I just clicked center, which includes guys they consider "c" and "c-f" but not "f-c". If you expand to include f-c, then you get Davis and Aldridge but drop Horford and Valanciunas so it's a wash. It carries pretty decently farther down too, there are a lot of great to good bigs in the league who were taken late.

Rick posted:

I think some of it is that it's really hard to draft a guy who has no offensive potential at all, and teams would rather draft a big with nice form on his jumper than is an athlete with no offensive ability. Which leads to a lot of post-10 "well he kind of hits shots, or at least he looks like he can hit a shot, we can probably athletic him up." It looks like it is in fact difficult to improve the athleticism of bigs (I do think the NBA does a pretty good job of getting guards who aren't great athletes to be at the very least acceptable by an NBA standard). Also "you can't teach height" so the NBA shies away from guys under 7 feet, even if they're complete, or at least have the strong potential to be complete packages. Frankly most of the front offices who have been picking in the 20s recently are better than the ones picking in the teens, and the teams picking in the 10s should just in theory have easier decisions.

No doubt a big part of it is that smart teams are already picking in the late 20s or second round, and the lottery is easier. For sure. Also plural of anecdote but whatever.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Metapod posted:

Starting Cam Payne at PG would be a great way to make the G League playoffs

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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AggressivelyStupid posted:

i think you need to dunk to complete the dunkshot


0/10

Yep, not a 360, barely a dunk, not even a top 10 oladipo jam imo. Yíall are easily impressed itís a 180 tip in

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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I thought Jarrett Allen was either gonna suck or take years to get up to speed because he looked like a dumb turd in college but it's cool i was wrong because he's loving badass now

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Metapod posted:

Talent was there but he was extremely passive at Texas

Yeah hed be obviously the only NBA athlete on the court and embarrass guys a few plays, then by the end of the game heís have been solidly outplayed by dudes who would be lucky to be hustle players in China

Itís always a crapshoot though cause judging an 18 year old boy on anything is absurd so

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Dexo posted:

*insert screed about how bad his pick and roll offense is, and how he's a bust and can never get better*

Anyone can get better. But players who suck usually donít

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