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ApeHawk posted:Certainly. So in essence, Sun is Dog's less mutated sister...
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Warmachine posted:
yeah, i think that was my take: CoolCab posted:house's sin is hubris- that is absolutely central to his character. he thinks he's some randian ubermench but his solutions literally universally fail - he gets 99% of the way there and that last 1% dooms him. i think people get thrown off that (particularly with the performance given) house is genuinely charming, in a psychopath way. don't take his word for it, look at the outcomes, not his spin. he's a massive egotist and he's such an ideologue that he reduces everyone around him to sort of homo economicus machine person (in the case of his poor staff, literally) and as such gets totally blind sided by human nature. he's kind of the ultimate pre-war figure - smart enough to see the end coming but too dumb to realize that doesn't exclude him from it. maybe more because he was too corrupted by 50s technological hedonism in his particular case, but exactly as insane and culpable as the everyone else who ended the world.
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Warmachine posted:House falls to the same philosophical arguments that the 'benevolent dictator' argument falls to. He could potentially live forever, but he is still mortal. And his sanity was in question long before you met him (read how he got the personality matrix for the girl securitron). House is Howard Hughes. The problem is that while he may have solved the problem of ruling and protecting Vegas in a technical sense, he has no people skills besides the kind of diplomacy system you'd find in a Civilization game. There's also the part where House's obsession is Vegas. You know how basically all of Nevada is a shithole except Vegas, which is surrounded by walls to keep out "undesirables" and exists entirely to siphon power, food, money, and water from the rest of the region? Imagine that lasting forever - because that's what Mr. House wants. He wants Vegas, standing and shining and glittering the way it did before the War, and if he has to suck the rest of the world dry to make it happen by God he'll do it. Power that should be running generators on farms goes to making neon lights blaze. Water that should be feeding crops, or people for that matter, diverted to splashing fountains. poo poo, there's water fountains misting the air in New Vegas while there's literally gang fights over control of water in Freeside not a ten minute walk away! House is a parasite in the way that only a really wealthy person can be, and the idea of there being any kind of future under his leadership is laughable IMHO.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:There's also the part where House's obsession is Vegas. You know how basically all of Nevada is a shithole except Vegas, which is surrounded by walls to keep out "undesirables" and exists entirely to siphon power, food, money, and water from the rest of the region? Imagine that lasting forever - because that's what Mr. House wants. He wants Vegas, standing and shining and glittering the way it did before the War, and if he has to suck the rest of the world dry to make it happen by God he'll do it. Power that should be running generators on farms goes to making neon lights blaze. Water that should be feeding crops, or people for that matter, diverted to splashing fountains. It's writing and placement like this that really make me appreciate New Vegas over the other Fallout games. Despite having just under a year to make a fully finished product, Obsidian made all of these different characters and personalities and loves that had their own needs and reasons. Hell, you could go through the game and never meet some of them, depending on how you played, but they were still there to be discovered. One thing I noticed is that every 'faction' in New Vegas seems to also cater to a fear that we see in the modern day. NCR is beaurocratic over-reach and the exploitation of workers/resources/lives for an unseen group of people who are so far removed from the needs of the people to be almost non-existent. The Legion is a literal invading horde of violent theocratic/autocratic murderers and slavers that technology has only marginally stopped, with a hypocritical leader they rally around and would fall apart without. And House is class war writ large, a man with the money and the means to make everyone around him suffer for his own personal wonderland, with an army of cronies chasing the almighty dollar, or an army of unquestioning robots, to do his bidding. It's a lot more nuanced than 'Evil Airship Nazis', 'Robot-Eugenics Mad Scientists' or 'Put-upon rag tag freedom fighters' from 4, by a long mile.
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I can't believe it, a completed F:NV LP! And it was so good; the extra writing and huge depth of knowledge about the game's systems and plot branches really made this special. Thank you for years of entertainment Ape Hawk, I know this can't have been a small amount of work to do.
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J.A.B.C. posted:
Fallout factions have always been dumb, and it’s just as easy to reduce the ones in FNV to just being 'USA 2.0', 'Cosplay Nazis' and 'Robot Jeff Bezos'.
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Comrade Koba posted:Fallout factions have always been dumb, and it’s just as easy to reduce the ones in FNV to just being 'USA 2.0', 'Cosplay Nazis' and 'Robot Jeff Bezos'. Who are USA 2.0? The New California Republic, or the Enclave?
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LashLightning posted:Who are USA 2.0? The New California Republic, or the Enclave? Given that the Enclave in FNV is essentially a non-entity....
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J.A.B.C. posted:It's a lot more nuanced than 'Evil Airship Nazis', 'Robot-Eugenics Mad Scientists' or 'Put-upon rag tag freedom fighters' from 4, by a long mile.  that being said, I found the brotherhood in fallout 4 initially kinda sympathetic. They're a bunch of dickish reclusive goons in FONV, and flat out stupid in FO3. FO4's initial characterization of "we want to restrict old tech to as few people as possible because people blew up the world with it" was actually sensible, for once. and then they show up in a giant airship, begin getting excessively fascist and synth-racist, and lose all credibility within half an hour.
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Very excellent LP, melee/unarmed runs of New Vegas are always fun. I really want to like the Brotherhood of Steel since they do have an interesting mission of preserving Pre-War tech. the problem is that they're huge dicks going about it, hoarding all the fun toys and squatting in old bunkers hoping they'll out live all the wastelanders. They've been dicks ever since the beginning of series. In Fallout 1 in order to even get into their bunker they send you to a radioactive hell-hole and they're shocked if you manage to complete the quest, they were clearly expecting you to die. So yeah, they've always been dicks. Bethesda's hamfisted writing and flanderization of them doesn't help either.
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The F2 version was that they spread themselves wide and worked with communities, which ironically left them completely unprepared for the Enclave. We could use a game in the post F2 period exploring the return to tech hoarding rear end in a top hat isolationist mode. Also remember that they were based on the Guardians in Wasteland, a xenophobic and fanatic faction. By popular demand fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Apr 19, 2019 |
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What I'm hearing is that the Atomic Workers' Union needs to make a comeback.
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Another giant LP completed by you, ApeHawk! You absolute madman.
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