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It’s not very good. Kind of boring. But the FPS scene is glorious and does not fit the tone one iota.
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Hat Thoughts posted:I haven't watched your video but wouldn't like, William Castle gimmicks be more overt parallels with clickbait? Well first off youshouldwatchmyvideoitsprettygoodplease, but mainly the thing that made Cloverfield "clickbait" in my mind was, as a previous poster said, the film relied entirely on a single, non-innovative gimmick for 90% of its views. The marketing for Paradox was 100% damage control and 0% thematically relevant to the film. Paramount are basically expecting 95% of all the viewings the film ever gets to be within its first three or four days of release.
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I like how even though they reference it several times, and its the lynchpin of the movie they never explain how anyone could've possibly came to the conclusion of monsters and demons across time and space. Like, if you told me getting a perpetual energy generator might gently caress up gravity or explode the solar system I would find that a reasonable leap of logic as the Paradox. If you say that turning on the machine will summon Satan, and the monster mash and it actually happens without elaboration that is just terribly terribly lazy.
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Feb 8, 2018 14:02
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massive spider posted:'If you turn on this mcguffin, monsters happen everywhere. I hated this line for two slightly contradictory reasons. Firstly, its a sci-fi movie about a weird energy making machine in space. You don't need to warn me that it will summon demons, I know what kind of movie I'm watching. Secondly, if you're promising me demons running amok, I drat well want to see demons running amok, not just a 3 second stinger at the end. I feel they could have got away with the barebones plot if they'd actually leaned in to the dimensionall clashes and crazy monsters and people getting eaten by walls. Instead, we get three weird things happening, then everybody shrugs and goes about their day as normal. Also, very few movies portray the coldness of space in anything like an accurate manner, but this is by far the worst I've seen. None of that scene made the slightest bit of sense.
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They really could have summed it up in a simple line about "unknown effects throughout space and time" but instead they just rub your nose in it. Much like the last scene, now that I think on it.
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Feb 8, 2018 16:11
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This straight to netflix movie sucked, but its not like the other cloverfield movies were that good.
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Tenzarin posted:This straight to netflix movie sucked, but its not like the other cloverfield movies were that good. 10 Cloverfield Lane was actually very good.
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Feb 8, 2018 16:50
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The problem isn't that the monsters are not properly explained, it's that you can feel how hollow the movie is and that it was only made to perform this one specific function, to explain where the Cloverfield monsters came from. And then it doesn't even do that in a satisfying way because the script wasn't written with that in mind. Compare it to Event Horizon, which presents an equally ridiculous scenario, but the "answers" aren't at all what the movie's about. In fact, it goes out of it's way to tell you that you're not gonna find a neat, simple answer("where we're going, you won't need eyes to see"). Anderson purposely designed the ship to be evocative of a church, not anything related to science.
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Feb 8, 2018 17:10
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It's the same kind of limp-dicked bullshit in the Amazing Spiderman movies. "All that crazy stuff in the Cloverfield movies? Well it's ALL related to this one thing these guys did!" "All those supervillains? Well they ALL got their start as Oscorp experiments!" It makes the experiment more boring, it caters to a stupid expanded universe thing no one asked for, it solves a question in dumb boring way, it undermines the entire movie by ending with "remember the other movie" (cough cough Rogue One). It reeks of laziness and is the perfect poo poo-topping on a movie that feels like it couldn't care less about itself.
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Feb 8, 2018 18:15
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I do wonder if this'll tank Overlord at the box office.
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Thundercracker posted:I do wonder if this'll tank Overlord at the box office. Weird WW2 stuff should do really well, look at the continued success of the Wolfenstein franchise.
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Basebf555 posted:"where we're going, you won't need eyes to see" one of the most brilliant line readings ever
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This was a bad movie. I watched Alien: Covenant the night before, which was good – better than Prometheus, in fact – and not fairly comparable to Cloverfield Paradox in any regard. Do not ask me to elaborate on these opinions, for I will not. Do not quote this post. Au revoir.
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I just watched this! I didn’t like it. “This dimension is eating us alive” is the best worst line I’ve heard in a movie in quite some time.
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Basebf555 posted:The problem isn't that the monsters are not properly explained, it's that you can feel how hollow the movie is and that it was only made to perform this one specific function, to explain where the Cloverfield monsters came from. And then it doesn't even do that in a satisfying way because the script wasn't written with that in mind. The movie wasn’t made to explain where the monster came from, they just made a nonsense movie and then blatantly tacked on all that monster stuff afterwards. I’d love to see an analysis of just how poorly the monster plot was edited in.
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The Cloverfield "series" reminds me of how Die Hard was produced - as a bunch of unrelated scripts that had John McClane written in. But Die Hard's changes were done before filming, and Cloverfield does it after the entire film is completed.
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:The movie wasn’t made to explain where the monster came from, they just made a nonsense movie and then blatantly tacked on all that monster stuff afterwards. The script was not intended for that purpose, but the movie itself only exists because they wanted to lay down an explanation for all of the monsters and weirdness of whatever they decide to do in future movies. Which is totally unnecessary, making this movie unnecessary, and the explanation they're using is really lame to boot.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:54
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Basebf555 posted:The script was not intended for that purpose, but the movie itself only exists because they wanted to lay down an explanation for all of the monsters and weirdness of whatever they decide to do in future movies. Which is totally unnecessary, making this movie unnecessary, and the explanation they're using is really lame to boot. Yeah, the “explanation” they gave was incredibly lazy and amounted to “this particle accelerator could cause anything to happen anywhere in any timeline”
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Yarbald posted:Yeah, the “explanation” they gave was incredibly lazy and amounted to “this particle accelerator could cause anything to happen anywhere in any timeline” Don't worry because of quantum entanglement they can return to where they came from.
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Tenzarin posted:Don't worry because of quantum entanglement they can return to where they came from. Like putting too much air into a balloon!
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I think I am going through what I experienced with Prometheus in regards to Cloverfield Paradox: enjoyed it at the time but then went though it in my head and looked at all the inconsistencies pointed out by other people and now I feel embarrassed for having liked it.
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I don't think this film is as bad as people are making it out to be. gently caress, I don't think Event Horizon deserves the bad reputation it has, either.AceOfFlames posted:I think I am going through what I experienced with Prometheus in regards to Cloverfield Paradox: enjoyed it at the time but then went though it in my head and looked at all the inconsistencies pointed out by other people and now I feel embarrassed for having liked it. It's embarrassing how you so willingly let other people do your thinking for you, I guess.
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:I’d love to see an analysis of just how poorly the monster plot was edited in. To do that, you first need to reverse-engineer the film to understand why The God Particle was made in the first place. Like why, at some point, did multiple people think this was a great idea for a movie? If you actively ignore the extremely poor storytelling and exposition, God Particle actually has a very good concept for a horror movie: The idea is that there are two parallel universes - the peace universe and the war universe. In the war universe, the space station gets sabotaged and crashes into the ocean, where the survivors are now in a fierce battle for survival. Because of the experiment, the two universes cross over at random points - and the people from the peace universe naturally experience these crossovers as eruptions of nightmare imagery. The most obvious example of this is when the airlock suddenly gets flooded with a ton of water - from the ocean. Air from the peace universe is being switched with water from the bad universe, and vice-versa. The Russian guy’s eye is going weird because half of his brain has been exchanged with the brain of his war-universe counterpart. So basically there’s this entire parallel storyline where the offscreen people of the war universe figure out what’s going on, and start sending messages to the peace universe. The disembodied arm is actually connected to the Italian on the other side - so people in the war universe are basically watching their Italian crawl around on the floor while a disembodied arm floats around the room, flipping them off. The war people use this knowledge to send things like the compass through - they obviously discovered, from the worm incident, that the Russian’s stomach is the location of one of the portals. (As for how the war universe’s Russian guy ended up swallowing a ton of worms, I guess that’s left to the imagination.) Basically everything not directly related to this narrative was added to promote the Cloverfield franchise. And it seems obvious that a lot of stuff was cut out to make it fit.
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10 Cloverfield Lane is really good, and the alien ending is not tacked on. The entire movie has you predicting one of two outcomes: either Howard is crazy and wrong, or he is right. By the time we get through Michelle's intense escape from Howard, you're expecting that to be the climax of the movie and she will either emerge outside and discover that everything is fine or see UFOs hovering in the distance, cut to credits. Instead, your expectations are subverted and not only was Howard right, he was ridiculously right and the aliens are an immediate threat to them and she would have been safer staying in the bunker, making her final escape even more of a triumph. IMO, ending it without that final action sequence would have been more cliche. I enjoyed watching Cloverfield Paradox, but as soon as it ended I began to piece together how bad it really was.
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Basebf555 posted:Event Horizon doesn't have a bad reputation. I thought the internet hated anything with Paul W.S. Anderson's name on it, though?
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viral spiral posted:I thought the internet hated anything with Paul W.S. Anderson's name on it, though? Nope
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I'm giggling at the notion of misreading the colours on Chris O'Dowd's flag patch and concluding that he and his accent are Italian.
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K. Waste posted:Nope Holy poo poo; it's a shame how so much of the footage went missing. The extended cut of this could have been amazing: quote:Known deleted scenes include a meeting scene between Weir and people in charge of the mission in which they discuss Event Horizon, some dialogue of which remained present in the theatrical trailer;[7][8] more backstory for Cooper and Justin, including a stronger explanation for Justin entering the black hole; a deleted backstory of the relationship between Starck and Miller; additional scenes explaining what the gateway to hell/black hole is;[9] Miller finding a tooth floating in Event Horizon,[5] a longer version of the scene in which Peters hallucinates that her son's mangled legs are covered in maggots;[4] a scene in which Weir hallucinates that Justin turns into his wife Claire;[10][11] a bloodier version of Weir's wife Claire's suicide; a longer version of the scene where Miller finds D.J.'s dead body with his guts on the table; and a longer version of the "Visions From Hell" scene during Miller's final fight with Weir with more shots of Event Horizon crew being tortured. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Horizon_(film)#Deleted_footage
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
He was irish. The irish and italian flag look similar, but italian guys aren't normally called Mundy or saying "bloody hell".
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Alhazred posted:He was irish. The irish and italian flag look similar, but italian guys aren't normally called Mundy or saying "bloody hell". Since John Ortiz was such an unconvincing Brazilian and half the characters speak Mandarin irrespective of nationality, I figured that they just didn't care about accents.
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They should have left it at the mysterious "something dropped into the ocean" bit of the original movie and not try to expand that franchise. At least not in that dumb way of Cloverfield Paradox. Interestingly, the thing that bothered me most is that the swinging masses (skin folds and poo poo) of the huge monster at the ending had the inertia like it was the size of a fat hamster.
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The science in this movie is really dumb. We solved giant space laser by turning on ventilation.
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Are we to presume this is some sort of, sort of magic xylophone?!
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Eh, it doesn't ultimately matter that the scene in the movie is dumb, but it's still pretty dumb. I'm more annoyed it tried to feign legitimacy in throwing out a few science things that it doesn't quite understand when with a movie this dumb I'd prefer just prefer mumbo jumbo. The script reads like the writer vaguely heard that the hadron collider could maybe do some bad stuff and just sort of decided that was enough to write a script. Like yeah, the science isn't important and we should be looking more down to the subtext and themes, but those were were pretty insubstantial and not much less dumb You could also be like, don't analyze it, it's just a dumb movie but then what are we even doing here? axelblaze fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Feb 11, 2018 |
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glam rock hamhock posted:Like yeah, the science isn't important and we should be looking more down to the subtext and themes, but those were were pretty insubstantial and not much less dumb The charitable take is that the lovely ending is a probably-unintentional reference to Watchmen. After the opening scene badly establishes the rise of nationalistic tensions and the threat of nuclear war breaking out, the utopian end-of history conclusion is accompanied by the promise/threat of a new, inhuman terrorist enemy against which we can unite. Hence the specific image of Clover - the 9/11 Kaiju par excellence.
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I watched Event Horizon about a year or so ago and it hasn’t aged that well (imo) but is still twice the film this schlock is.
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The first Cloverfield is the only movie that's ever given me a headache. Yeah, avatar in imax made me kinda dizzy, and some other 3D movies made my eyes feel strained, but never in the history of my life has a movie absolutely disoriented and made me near to puking with a splitting headache like cloverfield did. Underneath the shaky cam and the ridiculous hand-held conceit, I know there's a good movie in there. I was enjoying it enough to not get up and leave despite the fact it was making me ill. 10 Cloverfield Lane wasn't a bad movie either, but it was the sort of movie i'm not usually into. I was way more curious about what was going on outside than the claustrophobic thriller, even though Goodman was excellent in it. I also liked this movie, even though it strikes me as an inferior Event Horizon, like if that movie had been made with modern special effects, we would probably have had something similar to this, but hopefully better given Event Horizon had a way better cast. The ending felt goofy, and I feel like the strategy here - take movies studios think are too week and have Bad Robot slap some cloverfield poo poo on them and hope for the best - is loving lame. Want a weird monster and movie with sci-fi dimensional fuckery? go whole hog with it. Don't take what should be an event-horizon remake or a low budget thriller and make it something it isn't. I really get the vibe the cloverfield brand is just gonna be a bunch of weak movies slightly retooled and loosely connected mostly through ARG bullshit and easter eggs, and that kind of sucks because in theory there is enough between these three movies to really do something interesting, instead of making a movie that gives migraines, renaming an unrelated movie, and ripping off event horizon.
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10 cloverfield lane was a movie so bad they couldn't get it released without adding in aliens and the cloverfield name.
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